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Participants Nicole Davis7redranger2mistytrucker9Lawrence Lopez12Jerry Martinez5granitefalcon26hollowmason64Drew MorganAngela WrightJason Sanchez3Ryan Perez9placidorca16Jeffrey Ramos4mellowtiger262Jeremy Torres5Brenda Cooper3
placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
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#21 ·
Jerry Martinez5 said:If everyone reacted like that, we’d basically be living in the Wild West. I mean, imagine if my boss just clocked me in the head every time I was five minutes late or caught scrolling through Reddit instead of working?

Physical assault is a crime. You go to jail for that. Period.

Standing up for yourself is good. I guess. As long as you pick actual healthy methods and don't resort to violence.

It’s pretty pathetic that physical assault is a crime, while all the verbal abuse, belittling, and humiliation people endure at work—including what happened here—doesn't count for much legally.👎 These kinds of attacks can drag on for years, but unlike a physical altercation, they're a nightmare to prove in an American court. So much for justice and the law.🙄

It's good to stand up for yourself—provided you pick healthy methods instead of violence.

I agree, but I highly doubt this was really her "choice." She clearly lost control, and I’m with her mom on this one—she needs to learn some restraint, which, let's face it, isn't always easy.

If he decides to sue, she might end up on the losing side of things if her "coworkers" won't testify for her and there's no other evidence—unlike him.😢
Jerry Martinez5 Jerry Martinez5 Regular
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#22 ·
Drew Morgan said:Unfortunately, we’re already living in the Wild West. You think bosses don't pull these stunts on their employees? You're just a lucky outlier with better terms, apparently.

With a judicial system that’s completely broken, where is a rule-follower supposed to actually exercise their rights? Bringing up the law has become an absolute joke.

People who didn't react the way the OP did are being systematically crushed. But look at the psychology here—I don't think her reaction was irrational; it was a natural response.

People who reacted like the OP end up in jail or a psych ward. Honestly, I hope she manages to avoid that. Usually, people see the light for the first time, even if the case actually goes to court.

No, bosses don't physically beat their employees. Sure, bosses harass employees in all sorts of ways and work them into the ground, but proving that in court is nearly impossible.

People who reacted like the OP failed to protect themselves. You need to defend yourself without resorting to violence. I get her frustration. But if you respond to frustration with violence, you're headed for jail or a mental institution. Sorry.

It's natural for people on this forum to have different views. But not about this. There is no excuse for physical violence. Okay, maybe there is: if the guy had hit her baby, I'd understand her hitting him back. I think even a judge would see it that way when deciding the sentence.
Jason Sanchez3 Jason Sanchez3 Active Member
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joined Jan 2007
#23 ·
Drew Morgan said:Unfortunately, we’re already living in the Wild West. You think bosses don't pull these stunts on their employees? You're just a lucky outlier with better terms, apparently.

With a judicial system that’s completely broken, where is a rule-follower supposed to actually exercise their rights? Bringing up the law has become an absolute joke.

People who didn't react the way the OP did are being systematically crushed. But look at the psychology here—I don't think her reaction was irrational; it was a natural response.

I disagree. Someone with real confidence can hold their own just by staying calm and collected. You can show someone they've lost without even raising your voice or being rude... it's actually more powerful that way.
Jason Sanchez3 Jason Sanchez3 Active Member
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#24 ·
Jerry Martinez5 said:People who reacted like the OP end up in jail or a psych ward. Honestly, I hope she manages to avoid that. Usually, people see the light for the first time, even if the case actually goes to court.

No, bosses don't physically beat their employees. Sure, bosses harass employees in all sorts of ways and work them into the ground, but proving that in court is nearly impossible.

People who reacted like the OP failed to protect themselves. You need to defend yourself without resorting to violence. I get her frustration. But if you respond to frustration with violence, you're headed for jail or a mental institution. Sorry.

It's natural for people on this forum to have different views. But not about this. There is no excuse for physical violence. Okay, maybe there is: if the guy had hit her baby, I'd understand her hitting him back. I think even a judge would see it that way when deciding the sentence.

Exactly... it's wild how many people think what she did was right..
Jeffrey Ramos4 Jeffrey Ramos4 Active Member
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#25 ·
Maybe what she did was violent, but it wasn't some calculated move on her part. Honestly, I think most people in that situation would have snapped. If she hadn't lashed out physically, she probably would have just started screaming or running around until she had a total mental breakdown because of how creepy that guy was.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#26 ·
Exactly! She’d end up having a total mental breakdown because of those damn mosquitoes!
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#27 ·
Jerry Martinez5 said:People who reacted like the OP end up in jail or a psych ward. Honestly, I hope she manages to avoid that. Usually, people see the light for the first time, even if the case actually goes to court.

No, bosses don't physically beat their employees. Sure, bosses harass employees in all sorts of ways and work them into the ground, but proving that in court is nearly impossible.

People who reacted like the OP failed to protect themselves. You need to defend yourself without resorting to violence. I get her frustration. But if you respond to frustration with violence, you're headed for jail or a mental institution. Sorry.

It's natural for people on this forum to have different views. But not about this. There is no excuse for physical violence. Okay, maybe there is: if the guy had hit her baby, I'd understand her hitting him back. I think even a judge would see it that way when deciding the sentence.

Unfortunately, you're wrong. Or maybe you aren't? Which makes it even worse. Sure, maybe victims of workplace bullying end up in jail instead of the bullies, but I know for a fact that a physical aggressor often walks away scot-free.

I don't need to explain what kind of circus this is...

In a circus like this, if someone breaks a nose, it’s still better than just being generally beaten or falling ill.

To the OP—if you can handle these types without breaking their noses, great. If not, oh well. They should be the ones seeking help, not you.
Jason Sanchez3 Jason Sanchez3 Active Member
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#28 ·
I’ve honestly never understood guys who feel the need to get into a physical fight just because someone insulted their mom or something...
I mean, it's really not that deep...

To me, those kinds of reactions just seem primal. I totally get why men would defend the author's right to speak—but when it comes to her actual words, most people wouldn't be able to justify her behavior either.

Instead of taking the high road and shutting him down with some clever comeback, she basically lowered herself to his level. In a way, he actually won.
mellowtiger262 mellowtiger262 Newcomer
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#29 ·
How should I put this... You come home spontaneously, and they decide to drop off a newborn just to "help you out"... the very next day. Is it reasonable to kick everyone out by 3 PM and tell them they’re out of their minds? It's like offering a bottle of vodka to an alcoholic.
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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#30 ·
One shouldn't suppress their feelings. It might be better to send it at 3 PM, though I’d hate to do that since their intentions weren't actually bad. If possible, try communicating with them at their level of consciousness.
mellowtiger262 mellowtiger262 Newcomer
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#31 ·
Sure, Drew Morgan, that would be the ideal scenario. But in that moment, you simply don't have the creative spark or the stamina left to play the adaptation game. All you want is to find the path of least resistance to let them know you just want some peace and quiet. Yeah, you'll probably regret it once things settle back to normal.
Jeremy Torres5 Jeremy Torres5 Member
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#32 ·
Drew Morgan said:All this advice and criticism being thrown at the author assumes we’re living in some kind of utopia.

We see decent, polite people getting steamrolled far too often. Evil is more than just a nuisance.

She stood her ground, and honestly, she should feel good about it. It’s a natural reaction—it shows she actually has a backbone.

If more people reacted with that kind of decisiveness, we’d see a lot less of the usual nonsense—the bullying, the workplace harassment, and the constant tearing people down.

I just stay quiet and take it until I end up in the ER... 😢
Jerry Martinez5 said:People who reacted like the OP end up in jail or a psych ward. Honestly, I hope she manages to avoid that. Usually, people see the light for the first time, even if the case actually goes to court.

No, bosses don't physically beat their employees. Sure, bosses harass employees in all sorts of ways and work them into the ground, but proving that in court is nearly impossible.

People who reacted like the OP failed to protect themselves. You need to defend yourself without resorting to violence. I get her frustration. But if you respond to frustration with violence, you're headed for jail or a mental institution. Sorry.

It's natural for people on this forum to have different views. But not about this. There is no excuse for physical violence. Okay, maybe there is: if the guy had hit her baby, I'd understand her hitting him back. I think even a judge would see it that way when deciding the sentence.

You're exaggerating...
Drew Morgan Drew Morgan Active Member
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joined Aug 2009
#33 ·
mellowtiger262 said:Sure, Drew Morgan, that would be the ideal scenario. But in that moment, you simply don't have the creative spark or the stamina left to play the adaptation game. All you want is to find the path of least resistance to let them know you just want some peace and quiet. Yeah, you'll probably regret it once things settle back to normal.

Obviously. Reacting purely on impulse during an extreme situation is human nature—it isn't a sign of a psychological disorder.
Nicole Davis7 Nicole Davis7 MemberOP
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#34 ·
fairy;22830668 said:

Say you go to Target tomorrow, and the cashier makes a mistake and gives you back less change than they should. Are you going to break her nose? Shoot her in the head?
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I’m sorry, but I honestly don't see how that applies to my situation at all. Why would I go out of my way to break someone's nose just because they made an honest mistake? My reaction was largely self-defense. Everyone else was just standing there, more worried about their own reputations than helping; nobody wanted to step in or pull him away from me. In that moment, I felt like I had two choices: react the way I did, or run away—hide in a bathroom stall or somewhere else—only to go home, cry, and hate myself for letting someone humiliate me in front of everyone. If I had backed down, people would have looked at me like some pushover who could be messed with anytime, while he’d be seen as someone you definitely shouldn't cross. Sure, I could sue him. But I don't have any faith in getting justice through the police or the court system. That would just drain my time, my nerves, and my money, and there’s absolutely no guarantee it would actually restore my self-respect.
Anyway, thank you to everyone who reached out. To those who are "on my side" and to those criticizing me—we’re all human, we’re all different, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I haven't posted in a while because I've been working (actually, I received a few more job offers after the whole incident happened). That creep hasn't reached out, his nose isn't broken—just a little bruised and bloody. A friend of ours who's an attorney says that since there were plenty of witnesses (or rather, clients, too), and two of them have already said they'll testify on my behalf, he doesn't stand much of a chance. I think he realizes that legal justice is a different beast entirely and knows he's playing a dangerous game. Thanks again, everyone.
Brenda Cooper3 Brenda Cooper3 Active Member
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#35 ·
I think this approach is spot on. 👍
I'm not sure I could actually pull it off myself—I don't have the stomach for physical confrontation—but they do say still waters run deep, and personally, I've always had a bit of a soft spot for a little payback. 😁

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