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Susan James42 Susan James42 Active Member
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#41 ·
Gregory Williams7 said:
loneowl39 As specified by:
To claim that a university course is fundamentally flawed simply because the syllabus spans over a thousand pages of material is absurd. Is volume truly an indicator of quality? One must wonder if we are measuring intellectual depth or merely the capacity to endure endless paperwork.🙄👎

You could have a million pages of exam notes and still come up empty. Does it actually matter? I would have to agree with you; unfortunately, most universities here structure their entire curriculum around this exact issue.

Let’s be realistic for a moment. Just look at how many lawyers and economists graduate from universities here every single year. Then, take a hard look at the actual state of our legal and economic systems. The connection should be obvious, shouldn't it?

The reason for this is simple: the people landing the high-level positions are often just cronies, family connections, or individuals serving as stepping stones for someone else's political career.
And believe me, it isn't just economists... you see all sorts of specialists—various "doctors" or mid-level managers who lack any real substance—coming in from different fields. They all share one common denominator: blatant nepotism and a desperate thirst for power.

The end result is a total lack of expertise, and that isn't limited to just a few specific professions.
It creates an environment where everyone spends days arguing over trivial nonsense while the country is essentially run by incompetent bureaucrats and opportunists.

So, let's cut to the chase.
Susan James42 Susan James42 Active Member
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#42 ·
Gregory Williams7 said:My friend... during my graduation ceremony a few months ago, Vedran Mornar stated:
"We taught you very little information at this university, and that is our success and our pride..."

If that sentence doesn't make things clear to you, then I understand why you are right and why you defend him. In that case, I will say nothing more.😉

P.S. This is merely an addition to your thousand pages; nothing personal.😉

Honestly, I have no idea who this guy even is, but he clearly doesn't understand the fundamental definition of the word "information."
However, his statement says much more about the university he graduated from and the state he lives in than it does about him personally...
Look, it's pretty obvious he isn't exactly a genius...
Susan James42 Susan James42 Active Member
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#43 ·
ironstag8 said:Look, I don't want to offend anyone here—really, I don't—but let's look at the reality of things. You see massive crowds of applicants for Law, Economics, Philosophy, and those types of majors, while technical programs don't see nearly the same level of interest. Sure, memorizing a 1,000-page textbook is a grind, but you can't compare that to something like Calculus, Mechanical Engineering, or advanced Physics—subjects where you either grasp the fundamental logic or you don't. If you have the brain for it, those 1,000 pages are just a matter of time and sheer persistence (and I won't even go there regarding certain professors, because frankly, our education system seems designed to cater to mediocre individuals who somehow landed professorships).
It is objectively harder to graduate from an engineering school than most other majors—with the exception of Medical School—and the enrollment numbers alone prove that point. Now, that doesn't mean we don't need lawyers or economists; it just means that without the actual labor and production generated by technical professionals, you don't have a functioning economy or a legal system to support it.
Take my own degree as an example. You have a guaranteed career path waiting for you once you finish. Granted, you might have to grind through the first couple of years to get your footing, but you end up earning more than most high-ranking government officials (and much more later in your career). Because of this, there's been this massive, staggering drop in enrollment for technical colleges over the last decade or so. To me, that looks like a symptom of a younger generation being a bit too spoiled—they expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Well, the country has spent decades living beyond its means, and now we’re heading toward a very painful reality check.

The whole "thousand-page" argument is complete nonsense, just like your attempt to say "but you can't compare it to (a) math..."
Well, obviously! If they were comparable, they would be the exact same damn field of study and the exact same science.
Bottom line: you have to master both if you want to claim expertise in either.

Let's set the record straight: the issue isn't the sciences themselves; the issue is the quality of knowledge being imparted, which comes down to the people.
In this specific case, it's the bureaucrats.
People who would work grueling jobs their entire lives just to command high salaries while simultaneously showing total contempt for everyone else.

And yes, you say "generations are pampered," whatever that's supposed to mean, but the real problem lies with these "professors" who clearly don't know anything about their subject matter—likely because they were hired through political connections rather than merit.
Then, they only hire assistants who are even less qualified, effectively killing off any real competition for the future. The end result is a cycle where these mediocre individuals, who possess plenty of ambition but zero actual knowledge, teach children who also lack both competence and drive.

The result? Just look at anyone currently in power.
Calling them mediocrities would actually be a huge compliment.
How can we possibly expect the people they elect to be more intelligent or capable than they are?
feralwolf24 feralwolf24 Member
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#44 ·
Gregory Williams7 said:I believe those earning $1667 in federal positions would much prefer a $3,000 raise over any other concession. If the unions decide to make things difficult, we should simply offer them pay cuts instead. Can you imagine? We could have 30,000 people out on the streets within a month.

Look, I don't think I'd ever work for $1000, at least not in my current role or the way I do things now! And honestly, those five thousand dollars I've made over my entire career feels like a lot... personally, I've been feeling the squeeze since I left daycare, not just over this past year.
urbanhawk85 urbanhawk85 Member
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#45 ·
feralwolf24 said:Look, I don't think I'd ever work for $1000, at least not in my current role or the way I do things now! And honestly, those five thousand dollars I've made over my entire career feels like a lot... personally, I've been feeling the squeeze since I left daycare, not just over this past year.

You say that now, but you'll change your mind.

If you scale back your hours, $3,000 should be more than enough to get by.🤣😂
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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#46 ·
For a huge chunk of people working in government jobs, cutting back their hours just isn't an option. 😁
And what exactly are they going to do about it?
Gregory Williams7 Gregory Williams7 Active Member
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#47 ·
feralwolf24 said:Look, I don't think I'd ever work for $1000, at least not in my current role or the way I do things now! And honestly, those five thousand dollars I've made over my entire career feels like a lot... personally, I've been feeling the squeeze since I left daycare, not just over this past year.

It isn't exactly a tragedy. If you refuse to work for $3,000, then you can live off welfare for eight months 😉 before you end up collecting cans for change 😉
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The real question is how long you intend to stay hungry before you finally admit to yourself, "Fine, I know it's difficult and I have to work, but I'll go find something with a private employer."
Gregory Williams7 Gregory Williams7 Active Member
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#48 ·
Susan James42 said:Honestly, I have no idea who this guy even is, but he clearly doesn't understand the fundamental definition of the word "information."
However, his statement says much more about the university he graduated from and the state he lives in than it does about him personally...
Look, it's pretty obvious he isn't exactly a genius...

:/
I am sorry that I have to explain this to you. I assumed it was self-evident and required no clarification...
His point was that the purpose of a university is not to cram students' heads with data that becomes obsolete overnight. Once you graduate, much of that specific information is useless. Instead, a university should teach students how to think logically, how to learn, and how to continuously improve themselves to remain competitive in the labor market.

Vedran Mornar is actually the Dean of the engineering department at MIT in Boston. You really ought to verify your facts and think carefully before making such baseless assertions.
Susan James42 Susan James42 Active Member
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#49 ·
Gregory Williams7 said::/
I am sorry that I have to explain this to you. I assumed it was self-evident and required no clarification...
His point was that the purpose of a university is not to cram students' heads with data that becomes obsolete overnight. Once you graduate, much of that specific information is useless. Instead, a university should teach students how to think logically, how to learn, and how to continuously improve themselves to remain competitive in the labor market.

Vedran Mornar is actually the Dean of the engineering department at MIT in Boston. You really ought to verify your facts and think carefully before making such baseless assertions.

Oh, wow, a Dean?! My goodness, heavens to Betsy.
Now I see exactly where I went wrong.
A Dean?! That's no small thing...I should probably just subconsciously stand up whenever a man enters the room, and if he happens to be a Dean on top of that, I should immediately fall silent. Apparently, that's what true authority looks like in America! 😂

Look here: I couldn't care less who Vedran Mornar is, let alone what the point of a university actually is.
At the end of the day, he can be the Dean of whatever he wants, but a sentence like that implies that "being a Dean" isn't even remotely a valid reason for me to blindly follow someone, much less a trigger for whether or not I choose to think critically.
Forgive me, but this petty obsession with titles like "Doctor," "Professor," or "Dean" is childish. It doesn't constitute real authority.
Especially given the cultural climate here in America.
...and you can try to fluff it up all you want.
But you can't change the underlying truth.
As the old saying goes—sorry, but that's just how it is!
Gregory Williams7 Gregory Williams7 Active Member
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#50 ·
I believe it is time for me to withdraw from this discussion😉
feralwolf24 feralwolf24 Member
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#51 ·
Gregory Williams7 said:It isn't exactly a tragedy. If you refuse to work for $3,000, then you can live off welfare for eight months 😉 before you end up collecting cans for change 😉
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The real question is how long you intend to stay hungry before you finally admit to yourself, "Fine, I know it's difficult and I have to work, but I'll go find something with a private employer."

Gregory Williams7, why are you being so narrow-minded? Is something bothering you? What exactly is making you so frustrated lately?
Do you honestly think I haven't been looking for private-sector jobs this whole time? The work I do now pays me at least three times more than what I'd get if I were in my current situation—and without all the strings attached that I deal with here!!
I am not working for pennies!!!$500 I can earn money from home, and once you factor in commuting costs, it ends up being right around that insulting $3,000 mark. With my skills and work ethic, there is no way I'm settling for... I don't even know what to call it. I'd rather go volunteer if I can't make a living, just to keep some dignity intact!!! Let whoever thinks that amount is fair go ahead and do it. It never crossed my mind to sell myself for such a pathetic price—to compromise my family, my education, my home, and my life for nothing, because that's exactly what it is: nothing. For that kind of money, I could be cleaning floors or working as a cashier or a waitress, doing mindless work without any real responsibility!
Jerry Gray4 Jerry Gray4 Newcomer
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#52 ·
To hell with it all... just misery, poverty, and endless gloom...
Gregory Williams7 Gregory Williams7 Active Member
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#53 ·
It is truly exhausting. I am forced to endure an 80% tax rate on my income—income that I use to fund your very salary.
hollowbison6 hollowbison6 Newcomer
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#54 ·
I realize there are people in this country who claim to be working—or at least fancy themselves as productive members of society—but let’s be honest: you simply cannot squeeze any more blood from the stone when it comes to the actual taxpayers who keep this nation running.

The federal bureaucracy has become an oversized, bloated mess that we can no longer afford to subsidize; it is high time the layoffs started. We didn't stumble into this mess by accident; we built it ourselves through sheer laziness, systemic corruption, and a relentless culture of pure selfishness. There is a very good reason why a country like Canada is lightyears ahead of where we are in America right now.
Rachel Flores6 Rachel Flores6 Newcomer
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#55 ·
feralwolf24 said:Gregory Williams7, why are you being so narrow-minded? Is something bothering you? What exactly is making you so frustrated lately?
Do you honestly think I haven't been looking for private-sector jobs this whole time? The work I do now pays me at least three times more than what I'd get if I were in my current situation—and without all the strings attached that I deal with here!!
I am not working for pennies!!!$500 I can earn money from home, and once you factor in commuting costs, it ends up being right around that insulting $3,000 mark. With my skills and work ethic, there is no way I'm settling for... I don't even know what to call it. I'd rather go volunteer if I can't make a living, just to keep some dignity intact!!! Let whoever thinks that amount is fair go ahead and do it. It never crossed my mind to sell myself for such a pathetic price—to compromise my family, my education, my home, and my life for nothing, because that's exactly what it is: nothing. For that kind of money, I could be cleaning floors or working as a cashier or a waitress, doing mindless work without any real responsibility!

It's obvious some people have no idea how hard it is to earn a living$1000 while also paying for school, supporting a family, and trying to save anything at all. Amen
Gregory Williams7 Gregory Williams7 Active Member
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#56 ·
Some people lived quite comfortably for a very long time. Now, they will slowly have to get used to relying on food pantry handouts again.

Because if we are being realistic, absolutely nothing in this country has changed since those days. Everything remains exactly the same, yet we all live like we're on easy street. Is it not strange that nobody has stopped to ask where all this wealth actually comes from? But once the overdraft fees start hitting, followed by foreclosures and evictions... well. That is when I, who saved diligently back when I could buy a house for a reasonable price, will be ready. Meanwhile, those who are currently bragging about how they bought their own homes at age 25 will find themselves sitting on the curb in front of my place, praying for enough change to feed their children.

In Darwinian terms, this is simply called "survival of the fittest."
Sandra Vaughn Sandra Vaughn Newcomer
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#57 ·
Gregory Williams7, from what I’ve gathered by following his posts, can be pretty blunt... but honestly, I find myself agreeing with most of what he says.
As for that lady going by feralwolf24... she really ought to come down to Pittsburgh sometime and see what kind of salary she’d actually pull in the private sector. I don't know a single person making more than $3,500, and the average pay here sits right around $2,500.
It seems like everyone just wants to land a government gig because they "have a degree." But why wouldn't you want to hire someone yourself? There's this mindset where people think honest small business owners are doing just fine and don't care about the struggle just because they have some capital...🙄
Roger Nelson5 Roger Nelson5 Newcomer
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#58 ·
It honestly always amazes me how resilient hope can be; it just refuses to quit on people.

The fundamental issue facing America right now is that we’re being led by the very people who caused this mess in the first place. A huge chunk of the current political crowd in Congress seems to have only one goal: securing their own congressional pensions. You see types like that former union boss (I can't even remember his name, what a joke...) who jumps straight into politics with the Republican Party and starts preaching a totally different gospel—that's your textbook example right there. Does anyone here seriously believe that people from this kind of political circle are suddenly going to have an epiphany and say, "Hey, let's actually get serious and fix our country's problems"? To tackle these issues, you need expertise, social responsibility, guts, and actual backbone—things these folks simply don't possess.

What really gets me about this political establishment is just how incredibly timid they are. You've got Đurđa Adlešić meeting with representatives of rowdy hooligans just to "hear their perspective" (seriously??), or Ivo Sanders making major political moves based on protests on Facebook. And then there's those moments where a single farmer rolls a tractor up to a government building and suddenly, miraculously, the money appears... There are so many examples it's impossible to ignore. You could argue about the reasons behind it all, but it's pretty obvious that people acting this way aren't going to pull this country out of its slump.

Even if they suddenly decided to address the real issues, the "challenges" aren't exactly simple. How do you downsize the federal bureaucracy? Do you just hand out pink slips to every tenth or fifth person? What happens if the axe falls on the one guy in the office who isn't some well-connected crony and is actually doing all the work? Do we really expect the heads of these agencies, departments, and bureaus to forget about all the favors they owe their political mentors and fire the people who were hired solely because of political connections? Plus, even if they had the best intentions and the brains to fix the massive government overspending, it's going to take a long time.

What’s actually coming is a general economic collapse, which will drag the whole country down with it. First, citizens' incomes shrink due to new taxes, which kills off purchasing power. Private companies will have to lay people off (which is already happening), and some will have to cut wages, which hits consumer spending and dries up tax revenue. As cash gets tighter, the government will likely try to find new ways to grab more money, like maybe a new property tax. The ripple effect of people getting squeezed will lead to massive trouble with mortgage and loan repayments. People who lose their jobs won't be able to pay their loans, and those seeing pay cuts will struggle too—especially if they were reckless with debt in the first place. Initially, you'll see people selling off cars, which will probably tank car prices. If someone has both a mortgage and a car loan and can't keep up, they'll likely sell the car first to scrape together some cash rather than moving out. Of course, if the economy bounced back in six months, that might work as a temporary fix until they find a new job. But that’s not how this works; next on the chopping block will be housing. People will start selling homes at rock-bottom prices, real estate values will crater, and banks will demand even more collateral for loans, adding even more pressure. Naturally, as home prices drop, the revenue from real estate transfer taxes drops too, and banks will become extremely stingy with lending. As for the banks, they haven't got a clue what's coming. If anyone wants proof, just look at the macroeconomic forecasts from JPMorgan Chase from November of last year signed by Jamie Dimon. The projections for the U.S. GDP movement in 2009 are particularly telling.

This is what you'd call a negative feedback loop: one set of parameters starts sliding downward, which triggers a fall in other areas, which then feeds back into the first set, creating a downward spiral that ultimately leads to a change in leadership.

Once the mass demonstrations and violence kick in and this political crew finally gets pushed out, I expect some "new leader" to emerge claiming to be the savior who can pull the nation out of the crisis. That person will hold onto power for three months, then a new one will step in, and so on. We'll keep selling off whatever we have left until we eventually go bankrupt.

Wages are going to drop, employment is tanking, pensions are taking a hit... but honestly? The thing that keeps me up at night is the social unrest. For instance, if they start auditing veteran benefits or digging into every single PTSD diagnosis on record, we could see that old, dangerous rhetoric resurface—all that talk about "traitors" and people "disrespecting our heroes." It’s classic, nasty demagoguery, but it's incredibly risky. Bottom line: things are going to get wild, and I have a feeling we're in for some heavy rock 'n' roll next year.

Until then, I just hope there's one more big spectacle in NYC to keep it feeling like the "center of the universe," and I truly hope Ivo Sanders stays in good health.
hollowmoose21 hollowmoose21 Active Member
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#59 ·
Roger Nelson5 said:It honestly always amazes me how resilient hope can be; it just refuses to quit on people.

The fundamental issue facing America right now is that we’re being led by the very people who caused this mess in the first place. A huge chunk of the current political crowd in Congress seems to have only one goal: securing their own congressional pensions. You see types like that former union boss (I can't even remember his name, what a joke...) who jumps straight into politics with the Republican Party and starts preaching a totally different gospel—that's your textbook example right there. Does anyone here seriously believe that people from this kind of political circle are suddenly going to have an epiphany and say, "Hey, let's actually get serious and fix our country's problems"? To tackle these issues, you need expertise, social responsibility, guts, and actual backbone—things these folks simply don't possess.

What really gets me about this political establishment is just how incredibly timid they are. You've got Đurđa Adlešić meeting with representatives of rowdy hooligans just to "hear their perspective" (seriously??), or Ivo Sanders making major political moves based on protests on Facebook. And then there's those moments where a single farmer rolls a tractor up to a government building and suddenly, miraculously, the money appears... There are so many examples it's impossible to ignore. You could argue about the reasons behind it all, but it's pretty obvious that people acting this way aren't going to pull this country out of its slump.

Even if they suddenly decided to address the real issues, the "challenges" aren't exactly simple. How do you downsize the federal bureaucracy? Do you just hand out pink slips to every tenth or fifth person? What happens if the axe falls on the one guy in the office who isn't some well-connected crony and is actually doing all the work? Do we really expect the heads of these agencies, departments, and bureaus to forget about all the favors they owe their political mentors and fire the people who were hired solely because of political connections? Plus, even if they had the best intentions and the brains to fix the massive government overspending, it's going to take a long time.

What’s actually coming is a general economic collapse, which will drag the whole country down with it. First, citizens' incomes shrink due to new taxes, which kills off purchasing power. Private companies will have to lay people off (which is already happening), and some will have to cut wages, which hits consumer spending and dries up tax revenue. As cash gets tighter, the government will likely try to find new ways to grab more money, like maybe a new property tax. The ripple effect of people getting squeezed will lead to massive trouble with mortgage and loan repayments. People who lose their jobs won't be able to pay their loans, and those seeing pay cuts will struggle too—especially if they were reckless with debt in the first place. Initially, you'll see people selling off cars, which will probably tank car prices. If someone has both a mortgage and a car loan and can't keep up, they'll likely sell the car first to scrape together some cash rather than moving out. Of course, if the economy bounced back in six months, that might work as a temporary fix until they find a new job. But that’s not how this works; next on the chopping block will be housing. People will start selling homes at rock-bottom prices, real estate values will crater, and banks will demand even more collateral for loans, adding even more pressure. Naturally, as home prices drop, the revenue from real estate transfer taxes drops too, and banks will become extremely stingy with lending. As for the banks, they haven't got a clue what's coming. If anyone wants proof, just look at the macroeconomic forecasts from JPMorgan Chase from November of last year signed by Jamie Dimon. The projections for the U.S. GDP movement in 2009 are particularly telling.

This is what you'd call a negative feedback loop: one set of parameters starts sliding downward, which triggers a fall in other areas, which then feeds back into the first set, creating a downward spiral that ultimately leads to a change in leadership.

Once the mass demonstrations and violence kick in and this political crew finally gets pushed out, I expect some "new leader" to emerge claiming to be the savior who can pull the nation out of the crisis. That person will hold onto power for three months, then a new one will step in, and so on. We'll keep selling off whatever we have left until we eventually go bankrupt.

Wages are going to drop, employment is tanking, pensions are taking a hit... but honestly? The thing that keeps me up at night is the social unrest. For instance, if they start auditing veteran benefits or digging into every single PTSD diagnosis on record, we could see that old, dangerous rhetoric resurface—all that talk about "traitors" and people "disrespecting our heroes." It’s classic, nasty demagoguery, but it's incredibly risky. Bottom line: things are going to get wild, and I have a feeling we're in for some heavy rock 'n' roll next year.

Until then, I just hope there's one more big spectacle in NYC to keep it feeling like the "center of the universe," and I truly hope Ivo Sanders stays in good health.

🙏 👍
Nicholas Turner Nicholas Turner Active Member
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#60 ·
@Roger Nelson5

That was a beautiful description—truly vivid and honest. Reading it felt just like watching a movie.

The part about "batons being soaked in the blood of protesters" is what really keeps me up at night. I think it might be time to go pick up a rifle.

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