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Do our own desires actually make us unhappy?

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Aaron Morris56 Aaron Morris56 Member
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#21 ·
bluemason3 said:On the contrary, it couldn't be simpler. If you drink beer, you get drunk and end up in trouble. If you don't want to be drunk and in trouble, don't drink beer. It's the most straightforward logic there is. When you chase things and tie your happiness to getting what you want from the outside world, you're bound to be disappointed. The world isn't going to bend itself to satisfy your whims. Once you stop doing that, the disappointment disappears. 😁 Just basic common sense. 😁

That said, most of us would probably choose giving up peace of mind over giving up our ambitions any day.😁

The whole thing about planning for a baby, being an intentional parent, and everything else you've put together... So, what's your take now?
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#22 ·
Aaron Morris56 said:The whole thing about planning for a baby, being an intentional parent, and everything else you've put together... So, what's your take now?

I don't really get the question. 🤔
Aaron Morris56 Aaron Morris56 Member
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#23 ·
bluemason3 said:I don't really get the question. 🤔

Basically, we're talking about that deep ache of wanting a kid you can't have, and what happens after that. Clear enough now?
Larry Cruz51 Larry Cruz51 Active Member
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#24 ·
bluemason3 said:desire -> unfulfilled desire -> frustration -> dissatisfaction -> disappointment -> suffering

therefore

no desire = no suffering

per Buddhism

🤣

😬

🙏

I couldn't agree more. Honestly, the absolute worst kind of longing is when you're stuck wishing for things from the past that simply cannot be changed...😢>
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#25 ·
Aaron Morris56 said:Basically, we're talking about that deep ache of wanting a kid you can't have, and what happens after that. Clear enough now?

No, I still have no idea what you're getting at.🙂
mistybison mistybison Regular
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Nicole Davis7 said:Does anyone else here ever catch themselves spiraling because of some unfulfilled dream from way back? I’m talking about the stuff that haunts you—maybe it was a degree you never finished, a career path you walked away from, a relationship that just didn't work out, or just some random life plan that fell apart. It’s so strange because, honestly, my life right now isn't bad at all. There isn't even any guarantee that if those things had actually happened, my life would be better today. Do you ever feel like these lingering desires are just pure frustration? Like, part of you wishes you could just turn them off so you wouldn't feel like you're missing out on something you never even had? If you don't deal with this kind of mental loop, you are truly lucky. 😁.

My one true ambition has always been to secure enough wealth to enjoy life's pleasures without ever having to work for it. While I haven't achieved that goal just yet, I am certain it is never too late to make it happen. 😁 I actually think things are better this way for now. If I were further along, I might lose my drive to improve, and I simply don't have enough experience yet to realize how vital constant growth is for anyone. One should never stop evolving. 🙂 I probably would have turned into a lazy, mindless sea lion by now, spending my days lounging around with absolutely nothing on my mind but boredom. 😁

Compared to this specific ambition, I view all my other desires as mere wishes. Everything I have truly wanted—rather than just thinking was a "good idea"—has eventually come to fruition, one way or another. I believe that when a person genuinely desires something and commits their entire being and energy to it, success becomes inevitable. This is especially true for goals within our own control, such as pursuing higher education, traveling, or career milestones. While life hasn't always unfolded exactly as I planned, looking back, it’s clear that experience has ultimately made me wiser. 🙂

Like everyone else, I occasionally find myself slipping into "what if" scenarios. During these moments, past mistakes can start looking like missed opportunities, or I might feel a twinge of regret over a choice I made. However, I realize this is usually just a byproduct of being in a dissatisfied headspace; I end up romanticizing the past simply because my current situation isn't ideal. In truth, I know I have always made the best decisions possible given the circumstances at the time. Sometimes, I just enjoy the mental exercise of imagining how life might have unfolded—perhaps if I had married my high school sweetheart or chosen a different major in college—but those aren't true regrets. It's just idle curiosity.

I believe it is a profound self-deception to assume life will become perfect once our desires are satisfied, or that happiness is merely the result of achieving everything we once wanted. In reality, desires are endless; one always gives way to the next. These impulses are what drive us toward action, vitality, and growth. Ultimately, seeking liberation from desire involves a certain degree of desire itself. — bluemason3 😛There is a story about a philosopher—I believe it was Socrates—who was once asked by a student when he would finally attain wisdom. To demonstrate, the teacher led him to a river and submerged his head beneath the water. Only when the student began to struggle desperately for air did the teacher pull him up, explaining that wisdom would only come when one desired it as intensely as they desired breath while underwater. It is essential, however, to learn how to distinguish true desire from mere "good ideas," which often masquerade as genuine passion. 😉
Nicole Davis7 Nicole Davis7 MemberOP
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#27 ·
redjackal82 said:Joe Biden, just like everyone else has been saying... there's no way to get there without the USA.... no cravings, no clinging, just pure peace. You stop hunting for happiness in external stuff. That’s what true freedom looks like.

Otherwise, I'm always stuck in this "waiting" mode—thinking, "once I finally get this one thing, then I'll be totally happy." So you get it, but then you're still not happy because now something else is missing. It's just a never-ending loop. You never actually reach that peak happiness, and you never truly start living.

And don't even get me started on the past. All that "if only I had done this" or "if only they were more like that..." stuff. It's an endless cycle. And the worst part? You can't change any of it.

But honestly, everything I ever needed to be genuinely happy was already right there. It was inside me all along—my actual core nature—not some outside thing. Now, I'm just letting the future take care of itself and leaving the past in the rearview mirror. 👍 And I feel amazing! 😁

But look, I'm not actually talking about regret here. I'm talking about the things that were completely out of our hands—things like war, being forced to flee your home, and that deep, aching sense of homesickness that never really leaves you. Those are the heavy hitters.
Aaron Morris56 Aaron Morris56 Member
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#28 ·
mistybison said:My one true ambition has always been to secure enough wealth to enjoy life's pleasures without ever having to work for it. While I haven't achieved that goal just yet, I am certain it is never too late to make it happen. 😁 I actually think things are better this way for now. If I were further along, I might lose my drive to improve, and I simply don't have enough experience yet to realize how vital constant growth is for anyone. One should never stop evolving. 🙂 I probably would have turned into a lazy, mindless sea lion by now, spending my days lounging around with absolutely nothing on my mind but boredom. 😁

Compared to this specific ambition, I view all my other desires as mere wishes. Everything I have truly wanted—rather than just thinking was a "good idea"—has eventually come to fruition, one way or another. I believe that when a person genuinely desires something and commits their entire being and energy to it, success becomes inevitable. This is especially true for goals within our own control, such as pursuing higher education, traveling, or career milestones. While life hasn't always unfolded exactly as I planned, looking back, it’s clear that experience has ultimately made me wiser. 🙂

Like everyone else, I occasionally find myself slipping into "what if" scenarios. During these moments, past mistakes can start looking like missed opportunities, or I might feel a twinge of regret over a choice I made. However, I realize this is usually just a byproduct of being in a dissatisfied headspace; I end up romanticizing the past simply because my current situation isn't ideal. In truth, I know I have always made the best decisions possible given the circumstances at the time. Sometimes, I just enjoy the mental exercise of imagining how life might have unfolded—perhaps if I had married my high school sweetheart or chosen a different major in college—but those aren't true regrets. It's just idle curiosity.

I believe it is a profound self-deception to assume life will become perfect once our desires are satisfied, or that happiness is merely the result of achieving everything we once wanted. In reality, desires are endless; one always gives way to the next. These impulses are what drive us toward action, vitality, and growth. Ultimately, seeking liberation from desire involves a certain degree of desire itself. — bluemason3 😛There is a story about a philosopher—I believe it was Socrates—who was once asked by a student when he would finally attain wisdom. To demonstrate, the teacher led him to a river and submerged his head beneath the water. Only when the student began to struggle desperately for air did the teacher pull him up, explaining that wisdom would only come when one desired it as intensely as they desired breath while underwater. It is essential, however, to learn how to distinguish true desire from mere "good ideas," which often masquerade as genuine passion. 😉

Are you sure that's a unique wish?😍 pretty much everyone dreams about that.
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#29 ·
humble Enchi 😁
Aaron Morris56 Aaron Morris56 Member
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#30 ·
A modest little post:
loneowl39 loneowl39 Member
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#31 ·
mistybison said:My one true ambition has always been to secure enough wealth to enjoy life's pleasures without ever having to work for it. While I haven't achieved that goal just yet, I am certain it is never too late to make it happen. 😁 I actually think things are better this way for now. If I were further along, I might lose my drive to improve, and I simply don't have enough experience yet to realize how vital constant growth is for anyone. One should never stop evolving. 🙂 I probably would have turned into a lazy, mindless sea lion by now, spending my days lounging around with absolutely nothing on my mind but boredom. 😁

Compared to this specific ambition, I view all my other desires as mere wishes. Everything I have truly wanted—rather than just thinking was a "good idea"—has eventually come to fruition, one way or another. I believe that when a person genuinely desires something and commits their entire being and energy to it, success becomes inevitable. This is especially true for goals within our own control, such as pursuing higher education, traveling, or career milestones. While life hasn't always unfolded exactly as I planned, looking back, it’s clear that experience has ultimately made me wiser. 🙂

Like everyone else, I occasionally find myself slipping into "what if" scenarios. During these moments, past mistakes can start looking like missed opportunities, or I might feel a twinge of regret over a choice I made. However, I realize this is usually just a byproduct of being in a dissatisfied headspace; I end up romanticizing the past simply because my current situation isn't ideal. In truth, I know I have always made the best decisions possible given the circumstances at the time. Sometimes, I just enjoy the mental exercise of imagining how life might have unfolded—perhaps if I had married my high school sweetheart or chosen a different major in college—but those aren't true regrets. It's just idle curiosity.

I believe it is a profound self-deception to assume life will become perfect once our desires are satisfied, or that happiness is merely the result of achieving everything we once wanted. In reality, desires are endless; one always gives way to the next. These impulses are what drive us toward action, vitality, and growth. Ultimately, seeking liberation from desire involves a certain degree of desire itself. — bluemason3 😛There is a story about a philosopher—I believe it was Socrates—who was once asked by a student when he would finally attain wisdom. To demonstrate, the teacher led him to a river and submerged his head beneath the water. Only when the student began to struggle desperately for air did the teacher pull him up, explaining that wisdom would only come when one desired it as intensely as they desired breath while underwater. It is essential, however, to learn how to distinguish true desire from mere "good ideas," which often masquerade as genuine passion. 😉

Pure nonsense and a blatant falsehood. This is the textbook mindset of someone who has never faced a single real hardship or significant handicap in their life.
Aaron Morris56 Aaron Morris56 Member
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#32 ·
loneowl39 said:Pure nonsense and a blatant falsehood. This is the textbook mindset of someone who has never faced a single real hardship or significant handicap in their life.

And you're definitely
Hannah White2 Hannah White2 Active Member
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loneowl39 said:Pure nonsense and a blatant falsehood. This is the textbook mindset of someone who has never faced a single real hardship or significant handicap in their life.

Man, I actually have to sign my name to the very things you're calling lies. If you look at the actual situations—the "problems" people talk about and the literal walls I’ve hit and am still hitting—it gives me every right to say that you lose nothing by trying. You always walk away with something. Sure, maybe it isn't what you originally wanted, but you get something out of it.
Every action triggers a reaction. Negative hits negative, positive hits positive. It's just how the world works.
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#34 ·
mistybison said:My one true ambition has always been to secure enough wealth to enjoy life's pleasures without ever having to work for it. While I haven't achieved that goal just yet, I am certain it is never too late to make it happen. 😁 I actually think things are better this way for now. If I were further along, I might lose my drive to improve, and I simply don't have enough experience yet to realize how vital constant growth is for anyone. One should never stop evolving. 🙂 I probably would have turned into a lazy, mindless sea lion by now, spending my days lounging around with absolutely nothing on my mind but boredom. 😁

Compared to this specific ambition, I view all my other desires as mere wishes. Everything I have truly wanted—rather than just thinking was a "good idea"—has eventually come to fruition, one way or another. I believe that when a person genuinely desires something and commits their entire being and energy to it, success becomes inevitable. This is especially true for goals within our own control, such as pursuing higher education, traveling, or career milestones. While life hasn't always unfolded exactly as I planned, looking back, it’s clear that experience has ultimately made me wiser. 🙂

Like everyone else, I occasionally find myself slipping into "what if" scenarios. During these moments, past mistakes can start looking like missed opportunities, or I might feel a twinge of regret over a choice I made. However, I realize this is usually just a byproduct of being in a dissatisfied headspace; I end up romanticizing the past simply because my current situation isn't ideal. In truth, I know I have always made the best decisions possible given the circumstances at the time. Sometimes, I just enjoy the mental exercise of imagining how life might have unfolded—perhaps if I had married my high school sweetheart or chosen a different major in college—but those aren't true regrets. It's just idle curiosity.

I believe it is a profound self-deception to assume life will become perfect once our desires are satisfied, or that happiness is merely the result of achieving everything we once wanted. In reality, desires are endless; one always gives way to the next. These impulses are what drive us toward action, vitality, and growth. Ultimately, seeking liberation from desire involves a certain degree of desire itself. — bluemason3 😛There is a story about a philosopher—I believe it was Socrates—who was once asked by a student when he would finally attain wisdom. To demonstrate, the teacher led him to a river and submerged his head beneath the water. Only when the student began to struggle desperately for air did the teacher pull him up, explaining that wisdom would only come when one desired it as intensely as they desired breath while underwater. It is essential, however, to learn how to distinguish true desire from mere "good ideas," which often masquerade as genuine passion. 😉

You're thinking straight. To actually pull off a goal like that, you need other things to aim for—otherwise, you just end up totally stagnant. It's a human flaw, really; that drive to evolve often morphs into this endless, restless need to constantly tweak and improve our circumstances.
They say if you give a person power, you finally see who they really are...
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#35 ·
Aaron Morris56 said:And you're definitely

True. Not everyone has the same breaking point, but everyone has one. If you haven't hit yours yet, it just means you haven't been pushed far enough. 🙂
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#36 ·
Nicole Davis7 said:Does anyone else here ever catch themselves spiraling because of some unfulfilled dream from way back? I’m talking about the stuff that haunts you—maybe it was a degree you never finished, a career path you walked away from, a relationship that just didn't work out, or just some random life plan that fell apart. It’s so strange because, honestly, my life right now isn't bad at all. There isn't even any guarantee that if those things had actually happened, my life would be better today. Do you ever feel like these lingering desires are just pure frustration? Like, part of you wishes you could just turn them off so you wouldn't feel like you're missing out on something you never even had? If you don't deal with this kind of mental loop, you are truly lucky. 😁.

No.
If I didn't have desire, I’d find myself missing something profoundly. It wouldn't just be a minor absence; it would be an ache. I’d feel hollow—like an empty cardboard box sitting on a porch in the middle of nowhere. 😁

To be honest, I find it nearly impossible to envision a life devoid of desire. It seems baked into the very architecture of the human psyche—as soon as one longing is satisfied, a new one inevitably takes its place. There doesn't seem to be anyone who exists entirely without want, someone who simply sits back and finds total contentment in whatever they currently possess, regardless of what that might be. Of course, there might be outliers. Perhaps those who have stared down death itself, or individuals who have clawed their way through truly harrowing ordeals, might find that kind of stillness. But for the rest of us? The hunger is constant.

I know people who go around claiming to be that way, but let’s be honest—that’s a different story entirely. If they actually embodied those traits, they wouldn't feel such a desperate need to constantly repeat themselves or try so hard to convince everyone around them that it's true. 😁

I tend to steer clear of those grand, megalomaniacal ambitions—the kind of lofty, unreachable goals that do nothing but breed frustration. It feels much more rewarding to aim for something modest, something actually within my grasp. I’d much rather chase small wins that I can actually secure; it means I get to enjoy those little bursts of genuine happiness a lot more often. 😁

Whenever a new desire takes hold of me, I find myself sitting down to dissect it. I go through the motions of interrogation: Why do I actually want this? What would the fallout be? How would it shift my reality? Usually, the whole thing just fizzles out under the weight of my own scrutiny. I often come to this realization: if I actually managed to pull it off, I’d be incredibly happy for exactly one day. By the next morning, that feeling would already be starting to ebb away. And then, predictably, a different craving would take its place. Or worse—that hollow, stagnant void sets in. That state where you have no desires left because everything you ever wanted has been checked off the list. It leads to this strange, unsettling loop where you might actually find yourself regretting having fulfilled a wish in the first place, simply because the satisfaction vanished so quickly.

Every wish we actually get granted turns out to be just a smaller version of the original illusion—a diminished hope, a faded dream. It’s like the light starts to dim the moment you reach for it. As Camus once put it, "in a world without illusions, man is a stranger," which is really just a poetic way of saying he's miserable.

There is a certain beauty in unfulfilled desires. In fact, they might be at their most potent when they remain out of reach—that's when they possess the capacity to become a true sense of purpose. 😍
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bluemason3 said:True. Not everyone has the same breaking point, but everyone has one. If you haven't hit yours yet, it just means you haven't been pushed far enough. 🙂

Honestly, the whole concept of "boundaries" gets on my nerves. What do you mean by breaking? Are we talking about people who are just emotionally unstable?
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#38 ·
I managed to make one of my wishes come true—maybe even a few more.
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slypuma17 said:No.
If I didn't have desire, I’d find myself missing something profoundly. It wouldn't just be a minor absence; it would be an ache. I’d feel hollow—like an empty cardboard box sitting on a porch in the middle of nowhere. 😁

To be honest, I find it nearly impossible to envision a life devoid of desire. It seems baked into the very architecture of the human psyche—as soon as one longing is satisfied, a new one inevitably takes its place. There doesn't seem to be anyone who exists entirely without want, someone who simply sits back and finds total contentment in whatever they currently possess, regardless of what that might be. Of course, there might be outliers. Perhaps those who have stared down death itself, or individuals who have clawed their way through truly harrowing ordeals, might find that kind of stillness. But for the rest of us? The hunger is constant.

I know people who go around claiming to be that way, but let’s be honest—that’s a different story entirely. If they actually embodied those traits, they wouldn't feel such a desperate need to constantly repeat themselves or try so hard to convince everyone around them that it's true. 😁

I tend to steer clear of those grand, megalomaniacal ambitions—the kind of lofty, unreachable goals that do nothing but breed frustration. It feels much more rewarding to aim for something modest, something actually within my grasp. I’d much rather chase small wins that I can actually secure; it means I get to enjoy those little bursts of genuine happiness a lot more often. 😁

Whenever a new desire takes hold of me, I find myself sitting down to dissect it. I go through the motions of interrogation: Why do I actually want this? What would the fallout be? How would it shift my reality? Usually, the whole thing just fizzles out under the weight of my own scrutiny. I often come to this realization: if I actually managed to pull it off, I’d be incredibly happy for exactly one day. By the next morning, that feeling would already be starting to ebb away. And then, predictably, a different craving would take its place. Or worse—that hollow, stagnant void sets in. That state where you have no desires left because everything you ever wanted has been checked off the list. It leads to this strange, unsettling loop where you might actually find yourself regretting having fulfilled a wish in the first place, simply because the satisfaction vanished so quickly.

Every wish we actually get granted turns out to be just a smaller version of the original illusion—a diminished hope, a faded dream. It’s like the light starts to dim the moment you reach for it. As Camus once put it, "in a world without illusions, man is a stranger," which is really just a poetic way of saying he's miserable.

There is a certain beauty in unfulfilled desires. In fact, they might be at their most potent when they remain out of reach—that's when they possess the capacity to become a true sense of purpose. 😍

That’s pretty culturally conditioned, though. There are parts of the world where the mindset is completely different. That's why Western culture pushes success so aggressively, even though that constant, unchecked ambition makes it one of the most mentally taxing environments out there. In other places, assertiveness or ambition isn't valued—it's seen as crude or arrogant. People there tend toward a more "educated," balanced lifestyle, without all the frantic running after everything and everyone or the constant need to compete.
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#40 ·
Aaron Morris56 said:Honestly, the whole concept of "boundaries" gets on my nerves. What do you mean by breaking? Are we talking about people who are just emotionally unstable?

No, I mean mentally normal people. If they’re unstable, they’re already broken by default. 🤣

I’d bet there isn't a single person out there—even someone like me—that I couldn't mentally dismantle, provided there was no conscience involved and a willingness to use any means necessary (like in wartime or similar high-stakes scenarios where you don't hold back). People are either non-existent or too rare to matter in that regard. I once read about a top-tier CIA agent being captured by "enemies." When his trainers were asked how much information he could be expected to give up, they said that despite all his skill and elite training, everyone eventually cracks under that kind of pressure. It's inevitable. I also know someone who worked for a Western military unit dealing with interrogations—using a mix of hypnosis, torture, deprivation, psychological pressure, drugs, and so on. He said that, in the end, the person is left as a complete mental husk.

Sure, those are extreme cases, but extreme situations can wreck your life just as easily. No one is immune. There is no such thing as a person who can't be mentally broken after a certain amount of pressure. Honestly, the people telling fairy tales about mental toughness are usually the ones who have never actually been faced with something stronger than themselves. That works out fine for them, but it doesn't help the people who actually went through it. In fact, it makes it harder. Those who have suffered won't take "fluffy" advice seriously when they see the person talking clearly has no idea what they've endured. You can't empathize with someone who doesn't understand. Offering simple solutions learned from weekend seminars or New York newspaper articles won't do much for someone facing true trauma—though it might work for people who imagine problems more than they actually have. That's quite common in the West. When your existence is secure and you have plenty of time to philosophize, you tend to develop unnecessary "problems," unlike people fighting for survival every day. Generally speaking, the wealthier the society, the more depressed its people become. 😁 Dudley thinks the climate plays a significant role in that, too. 🤔

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