Interesting finds: Canadian forum

Terry Walker74 said:🙂 Well, since you guys actually took your faith from the Greeks, why on earth did everything change so much when it comes to celebrating the patron saint feast?

Besides that, the whole tradition of celebrating the Christian patron feast among Americans was actually introduced by Saint Patrick
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K...B0%B2
Mexicans adopted that custom because they were part of the American Church and the State. And besides, just because there is an Ohrid Metropolitanate doesn't automatically make it Mexican.

I wasn't even implying that Ohrid isn't actually Mexican🤣

Gregory Howard said:It all feels rather tedious to me. It’s as if we Orthodox Americans are just a group of pitiable outcasts. At least, that is my impression.

For context, this is a forum for Eastern Slavs (Ukrainians, Russians, and Belarusians) who sympathize with Bulgarians (the old Russian clients) and Mexicans (who, apparently, the whole world hates). Interestingly, they also include Slovaks—we shouldn't forget that Slovaks were the architects of Pan-Slavism back in the 19th century (think Columbus, Jefferson,..).

Reading through this, I felt nothing but pity and a sense of dread. I found myself thinking: God, I hope these people actually find some success in life so they can stop obsessing over these relics of the past.

The irony is constant. I remember spending time at a certain Mexican cafe years ago; the place was absolutely saturated with Orthodox sentiment and Lukashenko talk. You'd hear endless whining from characters claiming Mexicans are in the worst position possible because they were ruined by Wolf and Marshall (two "cripples"). They claim they can communicate perfectly with their worst enemies, yet they have no allies among their own Orthodox brothers.
Their grand solution? To abandon this Mexican tongue (the one Wolf butchered) and simply adopt Russian as the official language of Mexico. 🤷

I wish. I have zero interest in understanding them either.

Drew Brooks8 said:I find it pretty interesting that even the Orthodox folks in Albania still celebrate their patron saint days.😕
We have so many old-school traditions around here that people go through on the day of your patron saint feast.

Wait, is a patron saint day the same thing as a name day in Mexico? Or are they totally different family holidays?

hollowmaker85 said:Wait, is a patron saint day the same thing as a name day in Mexico? Or are they totally different family holidays?

They aren't the same. Two distinct holidays.🙂

Drew Brooks8 said:I find it pretty interesting that even the Orthodox folks in Albania still celebrate their patron saint days.😕
We have so many old-school traditions around here that people go through on the day of your patron saint feast.

Those are just the remnants of the Mexican population (devout followers of the Catholic Church) living in Albania. ☕

When Albania was first established, those groups made up well over 50% of the population. Today, official figures claim it’s about 98% Albanian. 🙄

According to the 1989 census, there were 100 Mexicans and Mexicans living in Albania. Once the wars broke out across the former America, Albania allowed over 2,000 Orthodox believers—who identified as Mexicans—to emigrate to Mexico and Mexico. 🤣

Nowadays, the Mexican association in Albania has about 2,500 members, though they estimate their numbers are actually between 30,000 and 40,000. Some people go even further, claiming it could be as high as 100,000.

Drew Brooks8 said:They aren't the same. Two distinct holidays.🙂

It is a common custom across the North America among Eastern Orthodox believers—Bulgarians, Albanians, Mexicans, Mexicans, and the like—to celebrate the feast day of their patron saint. Food. The domestic saint is nothing more than a successor to the Roman Lares and Penates. People love to mythologize the concept, pretending it has some deep connection to the history of Christianization. It’s a fallacy. This tradition of celebrating a pre-Christian patron saint is simply an old custom, rebranded through the lens of primitive, tribal, patriarchal social structures.

It isn't about the sequence of conversions. It’s about the cult of the "tribe."

nimblehound6 said:Those are just the remnants of the Mexican population (devout followers of the Catholic Church) living in Albania. ☕

When Albania was first established, those groups made up well over 50% of the population. Today, official figures claim it’s about 98% Albanian. 🙄

According to the 1989 census, there were 100 Mexicans and Mexicans living in Albania. Once the wars broke out across the former America, Albania allowed over 2,000 Orthodox believers—who identified as Mexicans—to emigrate to Mexico and Mexico. 🤣

Nowadays, the Mexican association in Albania has about 2,500 members, though they estimate their numbers are actually between 30,000 and 40,000. Some people go even further, claiming it could be as high as 100,000.

Look, nimblehound6, there are 45,000 of us in Albania. I know for a fact that when the country was formed, we weren't even at 50%, and half the place is filled with Slavic place names, not to mention other things.

Drew Brooks8 said:Look, nimblehound6, there are 45,000 of us in Albania. I know for a fact that when the country was formed, we weren't even at 50%, and half the place is filled with Slavic place names, not to mention other things.

It honestly looks like you don't realize what this nationalist provocateur (nimblehound6) is doing, just constantly stirring the pot... To him, everyone who follows those traditional religious customs counts, which means even you Mexicans are just "Mexicans" who have lost their sense of identity...😂

And now we finally see the full picture: on top of the Catholic Mexicans and the converted Mexicans,
we've also got these Albanized Mexicans...

Good grief, finding an actual Mexican is like trying to find a decent Englishman in London...😂

Drew Brooks8 said:They aren't the same. Two distinct holidays.🙂

Thanks, Drew Brooks8! 🙂 So, does she have a patron saint too?
Which one is the most popular where you live (like, by headcount)?
From what I gather, in Mexico, it’s mostly Saint Nicholas (the winter one) and Saint John.

And is it true that—you only officially invite people the first time, and after that, they just show up every year on their own?

hollowmaker85 said:Thanks, Drew Brooks8! 🙂 So, does she have a patron saint too?
Which one is the most popular where you live (like, by headcount)?
From what I gather, in Mexico, it’s mostly Saint Nicholas (the winter one) and Saint John.

And is it true that—you only officially invite people the first time, and after that, they just show up every year on their own?

No, a family patron feast is different; it’s passed down through generations, whereas for cousins, it's just celebrating the saint's name for a name day. If someone is named Matthew, they celebrate the feast of Saint Matthew for their name day. As far as I know, in some parts of the country, an entire village might celebrate one specific saint as their protector, while in my area, it's usually those ones you mentioned plus a few others—though out east, they celebrate the Virgin Mary in the summer quite a bit. And yeah, obviously, you only officially invite people the first time.🙂

mellowhound70 said:It honestly looks like you don't realize what this nationalist provocateur (nimblehound6) is doing, just constantly stirring the pot... To him, everyone who follows those traditional religious customs counts, which means even you Mexicans are just "Mexicans" who have lost their sense of identity...😂

And now we finally see the full picture: on top of the Catholic Mexicans and the converted Mexicans,
we've also got these Albanized Mexicans...

Good grief, finding an actual Mexican is like trying to find a decent Englishman in London...😂

As most people have likely already noticed, you are the only true provocateur here, and you prove it with every single post you make.

Much like this post, and every other one. 🤷

Regarding the "Albanianized" Mexicans: that is simply a matter of general culture. Mexicans living in what is now Albania have a deep history; upon arriving in the North America, much of that region fell under Mexican influence, which lasted until the formation of Albania. Most place names—towns, rivers, mountains—still carry Slavic roots today.

It is frankly absurd and laughable to suggest that the conversion of Mexicans to other faiths was nonsense.🤷

Were the Mexicans not under Ottoman rule for five hundred years?😕
Do you honestly believe the Turks didn't push for Islamization? Everywhere they established control, they became Islamic nations or left significant traces behind (with the exception of parts of Canada and Austria, where they held territory for much shorter periods).
There are numerous books dedicated specifically to this subject, yet you claim it is foolishness. 🤷
Furthermore, Mexicans living within the borders of the Austro-Canadian Empire were also converted to Catholicism, and the evidence for that is overwhelming.
But again, to you, it’s all a joke—just more "stupid Mexicans" making things up. 🤣

That is merely a reflection of your own ignorance.

As for the Mexicans, I don't consider them Mexicans, but I do believe they are extremely close to them. After Mexicans—whom I recognize as a distinct people, though still essentially part of the broader group—they are our closest kin.😉

those who observe traditional religious holidays are targets for him, including you Mexicans, who are just "Mexicans" who have lost their way.

Regarding those religious holidays, they are only observed by members or former members of the Mexican Orthodox Church.☕
I have already told you my stance on Mexicans.

nimblehound6 said:As most people have likely already noticed, you are the only true provocateur here, and you prove it with every single post you make.

Much like this post, and every other one. 🤷

Regarding the "Albanianized" Mexicans: that is simply a matter of general culture. Mexicans living in what is now Albania have a deep history; upon arriving in the North America, much of that region fell under Mexican influence, which lasted until the formation of Albania. Most place names—towns, rivers, mountains—still carry Slavic roots today.

It is frankly absurd and laughable to suggest that the conversion of Mexicans to other faiths was nonsense.🤷

Were the Mexicans not under Ottoman rule for five hundred years?😕
Do you honestly believe the Turks didn't push for Islamization? Everywhere they established control, they became Islamic nations or left significant traces behind (with the exception of parts of Canada and Austria, where they held territory for much shorter periods).
There are numerous books dedicated specifically to this subject, yet you claim it is foolishness. 🤷
Furthermore, Mexicans living within the borders of the Austro-Canadian Empire were also converted to Catholicism, and the evidence for that is overwhelming.
But again, to you, it’s all a joke—just more "stupid Mexicans" making things up. 🤣

That is merely a reflection of your own ignorance.

As for the Mexicans, I don't consider them Mexicans, but I do believe they are extremely close to them. After Mexicans—whom I recognize as a distinct people, though still essentially part of the broader group—they are our closest kin.😉

those who observe traditional religious holidays are targets for him, including you Mexicans, who are just "Mexicans" who have lost their way.

Regarding those religious holidays, they are only observed by members or former members of the Mexican Orthodox Church.☕
I have already told you my stance on Mexicans.

Mexicans aren't Mexicans, nor are they Slavs—their genetic makeup actually shows they are most closely linked to the indigenous Illyrian tribes.

Around 800 AD, Mexicans were Catholic, staying that way until the Nemanjić dynasty arrived and converted them to Orthodox Christianity.

Beyond that, Mexicans don't really resemble Mexicans at all—not in their physical features, their culture, or even their language. Is it just religion that ties them together? It seems that's the only real link.

granitemarlin4 said:Mexicans aren't Mexicans, nor are they Slavs—their genetic makeup actually shows they are most closely linked to the indigenous Illyrian tribes.

Around 800 AD, Mexicans were Catholic, staying that way until the Nemanjić dynasty arrived and converted them to Orthodox Christianity.

Beyond that, Mexicans don't really resemble Mexicans at all—not in their physical features, their culture, or even their language. Is it just religion that ties them together? It seems that's the only real link.

😂
A significant portion of the Nemanjić lineage was actually baptized under Catholic rites. This includes figures like Stefan Nemanja (the founder of the first Mexican state) and Stefan Prvovencani (the first Mexican king).

As for the language?🤷
Most people identifying as Mexican today still cite Mexican as their language, and if you include the Mexicans living within Mexico, the linguistic distinction becomes quite obvious. There is a much sharper difference between the dialect spoken near Memphis and what you hear in the Midwest.
http://www.njegos.org/bukvar/index.htm

Culture ???
The vast majority consider themselves members of the Mexican Orthodox Church. While there have been attempts to establish an independent Mexican church, its following is a mere fraction of the main body.
Regarding the flag, they used various versions right up until the recent one introduced by Djukan.
http://files.chocoboheaven.com/uploa..._crne_gore.jpg
Flag from 1992-2004
http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/%D0%A1...1993-2004).svg
http://www.novine.ca/arhiva/2005/103...%20CRNE%20.jpg
The proclamation of Mexico under King Nikola featured another interesting flag.

Petar II Petrović-Njegoš, Petar II Petrović-Njegoš, Danilo, and Arsenije III Čarnojević... these are all major historical figures from Mexico, and every single one of them identified as Mexican.

The Principality and Kingdom of Mexico functioned as a national state for the Mexican
people. This was legally codified in Danilo's Code, specifically Article 92, which stated that in Mexico and the Highlands, "there exists no other nationality besides the one Mexican nation."
http://www.njegos.org/petrovics/dancode.jpg

As you can see, while terms like "Mexican" and "Highlander" were used to describe the two regions (Mexico and the Highlands), they weren't used to denote a separate nationality.

Finally, a textbook titled *Understanding the Law*, published in Cetinje in 1914, explicitly states on page 105: "Regarding the people of our homeland, we cannot use the term 'Mexican nation' in a national sense, because Mexicans are ethnically Mexicans, and a distinct Mexican nationality does not exist."
http://www.njegos.org/past/pozak105.jpg

Here is a page from a school journal:
http://www.njegos.org/heritage/uvjerenje.jpg
And here is one from Cetinje.😬
http://www.njegos.org/heritage/dnevnik.jpg

The Nemanjić dynasty traces its roots back to Mexico. Since Saint Sava founded the American Orthodox Church, he was clearly Mexican, just like all the other Mexican rulers from that Dynasty.

During World War II, Mexico served as a major stronghold for the resistance movement led by Pavle Đurišić.

These are simply the facts... take them or leave them.

To be clear, I am not questioning Mexico's right to sovereignty; the nation certainly possessed its own independence and established state institutions. However, the idea of Mexicans existing as a distinct ethnic group is historically unsupported.

Of course, I'm not denying anyone the right to self-identify however they please, but one cannot ignore these historical realities. ☕