Americans interrogating and torturing a boy in Guantanamo Bay

redcyclist33 said:Let me repeat; he went to Afghanistan with his family to help with humanitarian work, and those claims about planting bombs were never actually proven.

How can you be such a hypocrite and try to justify that disgusting violence against a child?!

I wasn't aware that manufacturing and deploying explosives was considered humanitarian work. ☕

redcyclist33 said:Let me repeat; he went to Afghanistan with his family to help with humanitarian work, and those claims about planting bombs were never actually proven.

How can you be such a hypocrite and try to justify that disgusting violence against a child?!

Are those charitable organizations similar to the ones that used to funnel fighters into Canada?

redcyclist33 said:First of all—there is absolutely NO PROOF that he was throwing bombs...
Secondly, those recordings you're talking about simply don't exist...
Thirdly—even if he actually did drop those bombs, he was targeting a SOLDIER, so there is absolutely no way he can be labeled a "terrorist"...

Get a grip on what actually defines terrorism... The killing of civilians...And not killing American soldiers! ☕

I'm mostly on board here, but we need to be careful with our definitions. Sure, killing an American soldier outside of an active combat zone can definitely be classified as terrorism. But let’s look at the bigger picture: the U.S. started this war, and they are fighting it on foreign soil. Shouldn't that change how we view the situation? It feels especially wrong given that he was detained as a minor and his guilt hasn't even been proven in court. If Americans want to boast about being the world's greatest champions of democracy, shouldn't they actually act like it?

Austin White13 said:I'm mostly on board here, but we need to be careful with our definitions. Sure, killing an American soldier outside of an active combat zone can definitely be classified as terrorism. But let’s look at the bigger picture: the U.S. started this war, and they are fighting it on foreign soil. Shouldn't that change how we view the situation? It feels especially wrong given that he was detained as a minor and his guilt hasn't even been proven in court. If Americans want to boast about being the world's greatest champions of democracy, shouldn't they actually act like it?

Why on earth should being a minor be considered a mitigating factor in his case? 🤷 He didn't seem to care much about being a kid when he packed his bags and left Canada to head off to some remote corner of Afghanistan to join a terrorist camp. ☕

Paul Johnson5 said:Why on earth should being a minor be considered a mitigating factor in his case? 🤷 He didn't seem to care much about being a kid when he packed his bags and left Canada to head off to some remote corner of Afghanistan to join a terrorist camp. ☕

Isn't that just like when people arrived in America to defend their own country?
I’m honestly not entirely sure how to classify those terrorist camps. Don't get me wrong—I am definitely not out here promoting terrorism. But let's be realistic: the Afghans simply don't have the firepower to go toe-to-toe with the US military in a conventional fight. Because they can't match that level of force, their struggle unfortunately ends up being tied to terrorist tactics. I just can't shake the feeling that there is so much more to the situation in Afghanistan or Iraq than just terrorism. Isn't it true that this endless, violent tug-of-war over natural resources is what's actually killing so many people?
As a pacifist, I truly want to believe that peacekeeping forces actually matter. I want to believe they can step in and secure peace for the people who need it most. But looking at history—from the tragedies in Rwanda to the wars we've faced here at home—it seems like a pattern is emerging. It feels like, ultimately, people are forced to fight their own battles to secure their own peace. If that's the case, then what are these detention centers like Guantanamo Bay? Are they anything more than just terrorism wrapped up in a different package?

Austin White13 said:Isn't that just like when people arrived in America to defend their own country?
I’m honestly not entirely sure how to classify those terrorist camps. Don't get me wrong—I am definitely not out here promoting terrorism. But let's be realistic: the Afghans simply don't have the firepower to go toe-to-toe with the US military in a conventional fight. Because they can't match that level of force, their struggle unfortunately ends up being tied to terrorist tactics. I just can't shake the feeling that there is so much more to the situation in Afghanistan or Iraq than just terrorism. Isn't it true that this endless, violent tug-of-war over natural resources is what's actually killing so many people?
As a pacifist, I truly want to believe that peacekeeping forces actually matter. I want to believe they can step in and secure peace for the people who need it most. But looking at history—from the tragedies in Rwanda to the wars we've faced here at home—it seems like a pattern is emerging. It feels like, ultimately, people are forced to fight their own battles to secure their own peace. If that's the case, then what are these detention centers like Guantanamo Bay? Are they anything more than just terrorism wrapped up in a different package?

That's not the same thing at all—honestly, that comparison just shows you haven't done your homework. I don't know if you're familiar with the background of the conflict in Afghanistan, but what this underage terrorist is doing doesn't even come close to comparing to what happened back home. In Afghanistan, we're dealing with the absolute worst kind of human scum calling themselves the Taliban... and those same guys seized power through pure bloodshed against the Afghan people. It looks like you haven't watched a single documentary on these monsters, so I'd highly suggest checking a few out. The Taliban are the ones who destroyed centuries-old statues in Bamiyan... they're the ones who slaughtered and liquidated any Afghans who wouldn't bow down to their hardline version of Islam. They even banned radio and TV in Afghanistan. These sick people turned football stadiums into execution arenas—places where women were killed for offending Islam, and men were hung naked from beams for the same reason. It wasn't until after September 11, 2001, that coalition forces led by Americans with the blessing of the UN finally kicked these killers and trash off the throne. So, I truly have no idea how you can draw parallels to the US. In Afghanistan, we have the globally notorious terrorist killers known as the Taliban, and an Afghan people trying to maintain whatever peace they can with the help of NATO forces. It's not just Americans fighting there—the whole civilized world has troops there, including the US. Those troops in Afghanistan fall under the protection of the UN and operate under one name: ISAF. This kid is just a terrorist killing NATO soldiers and Afghan forces, all so he can get back to slaughtering people across Afghanistan with his terrorist brothers. I don't feel a shred of sympathy for him... he's a terrorist, and he should be judged as one.

Robin Hernandez4 said:Man, what can I even say about Omar Khadr? Here’s the real deal:

1. The title of this thread is totally misleading. If you actually watch the footage, those aren't Americans doing the interrogating—it’s the Canadian intelligence agencies.

2. Sure, Omar Khadr was just a kid when he got caught, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a terrorist who killed NATO soldiers.

3. This whole topic feels pretty loaded, especially since it’s paired with a link to some crackpot extremist website.

And here's the kicker: if you check the link below, there's a documentary all about the "innocent" kid Omar Khadr. You'll find it under the Videos section on the left side of the Photos(where Omar Khadr is). In that doc, you see footage of Omar Khadr playing around with bomb detonators while his older terrorist buddy assembles a bomb. You also see clips of the "innocent" Omar Khadr planting mines meant for NATO troops, all while grinning at the camera.

Bottom line: Omar Khadr isn't some innocent child. He was a terrorist—granted, a minor at the time of his arrest—but he was a minor who killed a NATO soldier and a minor who built bombs and planted mines.

Omar Khadr playing with detonators and planting mines for NATO forces while laughing at the camera.

That video you posted is a perfect snapshot of exactly who this kid is. Nothing more than a terrorist. I don't feel a shred of sympathy for him.

blueotter70 said:That video you posted is a perfect snapshot of exactly who this kid is. Nothing more than a terrorist. I don't feel a shred of sympathy for him.

By that logic, I could post a hundred videos of Americans and suddenly nobody should feel bad for any of them either... your reasoning is pathetic...👎☕

placidcyclist5 said:By that logic, I could post a hundred videos of Americans and suddenly nobody should feel bad for any of them either... your reasoning is pathetic...👎☕

I’m not talking about a crowd here—I’m talking about an individual. Go ahead, post a hundred videos of Americans; if they actually did something deserving of condemnation, I won't feel a shred of sympathy for any of them. It’s honestly fascinating how people like you try to deflect every single criticism by dragging up other cases just to justify the one you're defending. Why don't you just come out and say you think the Taliban are noble souls and definitely aren't criminals—so naturally, this kid isn't either? To me, this kid is a terrorist, plain and simple, and I don't pity him. This video clip from this site is a perfect snapshot of who everyone really is. And please, do me a favor and cut out the insults when you talk to me—resorting to name-calling just makes you look weak.

blueotter70 said:That's not the same thing at all—honestly, that comparison just shows you haven't done your homework. I don't know if you're familiar with the background of the conflict in Afghanistan, but what this underage terrorist is doing doesn't even come close to comparing to what happened back home. In Afghanistan, we're dealing with the absolute worst kind of human scum calling themselves the Taliban... and those same guys seized power through pure bloodshed against the Afghan people. It looks like you haven't watched a single documentary on these monsters, so I'd highly suggest checking a few out. The Taliban are the ones who destroyed centuries-old statues in Bamiyan... they're the ones who slaughtered and liquidated any Afghans who wouldn't bow down to their hardline version of Islam. They even banned radio and TV in Afghanistan. These sick people turned football stadiums into execution arenas—places where women were killed for offending Islam, and men were hung naked from beams for the same reason. It wasn't until after September 11, 2001, that coalition forces led by Americans with the blessing of the UN finally kicked these killers and trash off the throne. So, I truly have no idea how you can draw parallels to the US. In Afghanistan, we have the globally notorious terrorist killers known as the Taliban, and an Afghan people trying to maintain whatever peace they can with the help of NATO forces. It's not just Americans fighting there—the whole civilized world has troops there, including the US. Those troops in Afghanistan fall under the protection of the UN and operate under one name: ISAF. This kid is just a terrorist killing NATO soldiers and Afghan forces, all so he can get back to slaughtering people across Afghanistan with his terrorist brothers. I don't feel a shred of sympathy for him... he's a terrorist, and he should be judged as one.

I never said I support terrorism or the Taliban, but I can't tolerate "blood for oil." As for the boy, hasn't it been enough that his parents essentially sucked his brain out? Now he has to endure abuse too? I think there should be a more educational and humane approach toward children caught up in war, regardless of which side they are on. I'm not comparing our situation to their war, but you have to realize how emotional people get about war and killing in their own country. Like I mentioned, I'm not being political; this is just my emotional reaction to the suffering of a child whose life is already ruined.

They should have just taken him out then and there, simple as that.
Now he’s on TV playing the victim, trying to score sympathy points from all sorts of half-witted types out there.
The man was a terrorist in a war zone—there’s no debate about it.

Jack Cook73 said:They should have just taken him out then and there, simple as that.
Now he’s on TV playing the victim, trying to score sympathy points from all sorts of half-witted types out there.
The man was a terrorist in a war zone—there’s no debate about it.

👍 I honestly wonder how the Chinese or the Russians would have handled him. There is simply no negotiating with terrorists.

Jack Cook73 said:They should have just taken him out then and there, simple as that.
Now he’s on TV playing the victim, trying to score sympathy points from all sorts of half-witted types out there.
The man was a terrorist in a war zone—there’s no debate about it.

Man, you clearly just don't get how definitions work. Saying "a terrorist in wartime" is about as logical as saying "a dark day."
If we're talking about war, then you have two sides clashing—you've got combatants and soldiers. Period.
Have you actually ever bothered to read an actual definition of terrorism?

Austin White13 said:I never said I support terrorism or the Taliban, but I can't tolerate "blood for oil." As for the boy, hasn't it been enough that his parents essentially sucked his brain out? Now he has to endure abuse too? I think there should be a more educational and humane approach toward children caught up in war, regardless of which side they are on. I'm not comparing our situation to their war, but you have to realize how emotional people get about war and killing in their own country. Like I mentioned, I'm not being political; this is just my emotional reaction to the suffering of a child whose life is already ruined.

If he was old enough to trek into Afghanistan, old enough to handle detonators, old enough to plant mines, and old enough to buy into the Taliban's twisted worldview... then yeah, he’s old enough to face the consequences of his own terrorist actions. I don't feel bad for him—not even a little bit.

blueotter70 said:If he was old enough to trek into Afghanistan, old enough to handle detonators, old enough to plant mines, and old enough to buy into the Taliban's twisted worldview... then yeah, he’s old enough to face the consequences of his own terrorist actions. I don't feel bad for him—not even a little bit.

This is just classic "American justice" demagoguery right here. This version of "justice" where they execute people who were literally minors when they committed a crime, but they try you off as an adult under this ridiculous logic of "well, if they were old enough to kill, they're old enough to be tried as adults."
That kind of justice—rooted in the Old Testament—is something you haven't seen in Europe for forty years. Honestly, this kind of legal mindset puts the US right up there with the most backwards nations in Africa or Asia.
So, according to your version of American justice, what happens if you hand a five-year-old the control box for an ICBM and show them which button to push? Then the kid hits the button, 100 million people die, and suddenly you want to try him as an adult because "he did something terrible that only adults usually do, so he should be treated like an adult." God bless America.😂

goldentrucker17 said:This is just classic "American justice" demagoguery right here. This version of "justice" where they execute people who were literally minors when they committed a crime, but they try you off as an adult under this ridiculous logic of "well, if they were old enough to kill, they're old enough to be tried as adults."
That kind of justice—rooted in the Old Testament—is something you haven't seen in Europe for forty years. Honestly, this kind of legal mindset puts the US right up there with the most backwards nations in Africa or Asia.
So, according to your version of American justice, what happens if you hand a five-year-old the control box for an ICBM and show them which button to push? Then the kid hits the button, 100 million people die, and suddenly you want to try him as an adult because "he did something terrible that only adults usually do, so he should be treated like an adult." God bless America.😂

We’re talking about a sixteen-year-old terrorist (at the time) whom they’re now trying to paint as some innocent martyr. He was sixteen when he pulled those stunts—he wasn't seven, so let's not pretend he had no clue what he was doing. A sixteen-year-old knows exactly what's up. He chose his path, so he can deal with the consequences now. Dragging the "minor" card isn't exactly a badge of honor here. If the kid is capable of saying,

I wanted to kill a lot of Americans to get lots of money.

, then he clearly knew what he was doing. Comparing a five-year-old to a sixteen-year-old just doesn't hold water...

blueotter70 said:If he was old enough to trek into Afghanistan, old enough to handle detonators, old enough to plant mines, and old enough to buy into the Taliban's twisted worldview... then yeah, he’s old enough to face the consequences of his own terrorist actions. I don't feel bad for him—not even a little bit.

Honestly, if you just take a second to look around, you realize how easy it is to manipulate adults, let alone a sixteen-year-old. There are so many clear examples of this within Western society—and I won't even list them all. Just look at what the media does to kids, or how many broken homes have completely ruined their children. It’s nothing compared to an upbringing that is systematically designed toward terrorism. Personally? I’d put some blame on the American school system. If a kid spends years sitting in those classrooms and they never once notice his views or the obvious signs that he isn't functioning right in society, then they were clearly just indifferent.

Even if he was manipulated, that doesn't mean he should just walk away without facing justice.

It’s all easy to type from the comfort of an office chair... but I wonder how any of you would actually feel if someone's explosives had actually taken your life...

Austin White13 said:Honestly, if you just take a second to look around, you realize how easy it is to manipulate adults, let alone a sixteen-year-old. There are so many clear examples of this within Western society—and I won't even list them all. Just look at what the media does to kids, or how many broken homes have completely ruined their children. It’s nothing compared to an upbringing that is systematically designed toward terrorism. Personally? I’d put some blame on the American school system. If a kid spends years sitting in those classrooms and they never once notice his views or the obvious signs that he isn't functioning right in society, then they were clearly just indifferent.

What does the school system have to do with a kid deciding to swing a weapon and kill people using terrorist tactics? Schools can't do anything about it—they won't be able to do anything—as long as there are mentally unstable parents at home feeding him this stuff. But does that mean we should let him off the hook? Definitely not, because at sixteen, he knows exactly what he's doing... Also, we aren't even talking about America here—this little terrorist lived in Canada, not the US. He had a totally normal life in Canada (as much as possible given his sick family), yet he still chose terrorism. Maybe try actually looking into the situation before you start typing. First, you were drawing parallels between the Taliban and American veterans, and now you're showing you don't even know where the kid was living before he headed to Afghanistan.

blueotter70 said:What does the school system have to do with a kid deciding to swing a weapon and kill people using terrorist tactics? Schools can't do anything about it—they won't be able to do anything—as long as there are mentally unstable parents at home feeding him this stuff. But does that mean we should let him off the hook? Definitely not, because at sixteen, he knows exactly what he's doing... Also, we aren't even talking about America here—this little terrorist lived in Canada, not the US. He had a totally normal life in Canada (as much as possible given his sick family), yet he still chose terrorism. Maybe try actually looking into the situation before you start typing. First, you were drawing parallels between the Taliban and American veterans, and now you're showing you don't even know where the kid was living before he headed to Afghanistan.

Sure, I can correct those tiny little details that seem to bother you so much, but the bottom line remains: these "socially and morally" advanced countries that are so desperate to manipulate the rest of the world have totally broken social policies and zero solutions for their own problems, yet they want to run everyone else? It's ridiculous. I still believe we're looking at an unfortunate boy who grew up under the wrong ideology.