Where should Jews live?

Anthony Taylor393 said:Hey everyone, just wondering where exactly Jews are supposed to live?

A lot of people seem to think they don't have a right to live in Europe...

And some folks think they should just be kicked out of the Middle East altogether...

But like, where else would they go?

They could reside in the territory the UN allocated back in 1948—roughly 51% of what we now recognize as Israel, or Palestine. That was the specific mandate, nothing more and nothing less. However, the argument goes that such an area is simply too small to ensure their security. They openly claim they were prepared to accept that division, but were met with aggression, and since Israel emerged victorious in that war, they argue the original partition is effectively null and void...

Regardless of one's personal perspective on the matter, it seems quite clear that peace has been elusive, and frankly, it may remain out of reach no matter where in the world they settle. I truly wish I were mistaken. If water were ever discovered on Mars, making life there a tangible possibility, perhaps they could be among the first pioneers to establish a new society founded on peace and a fresh start. Otherwise, the alternative looks grim—potentially leading to some sort of massive, large-scale holocaust involving hundreds of millions of people, though I certainly hope that remains a distant impossibility...

Anthony Taylor393 said:Hey everyone, just wondering where exactly Jews are supposed to live?

A lot of people seem to think they don't have a right to live in Europe...

And some folks think they should just be kicked out of the Middle East altogether...

But like, where else would they go?

Madagascar! 👍 There was actually a plan for that during WW2, involving using a defeated British Royal Navy to ship them all over to Madagascar. But since they didn't manage to take over the UK, they had to come up with a different solution. You know... the "Final Solution"... 🤣

Jason Campbell70 said:If I were to write that Americans need to return to their ancestral lands—even if it meant war—people would immediately label me a fascist or a traitor.

But when Jews DO THIS (and we all know how the early days of Israel actually looked), suddenly everyone is supportive. It makes me wonder: would those same people support our claims to territory like the Mississippi Delta or the Midwest?

The thing is, you can't talk about "returning to ancestral lands" when you were never actually kicked out of them like Jews were. You can't make that argument when we Americans already have our own country—one that was established after taking it from the Avars (and I mention that because people love to accuse Jews of "taking" things). Unlike Jews, who had no sovereign state until Israel was founded, there hasn't been an organized attempt to wipe us out. It's pretty obvious why helping the Jewish people establish a state, ideally on the land their ancestors were driven from, was seen as a necessity after what happened during WW2.

silentseal9 said:Jews—well, let's just say Jews—have every right to live in Israel. Calling it apartheid feels like a massive stretch when you consider Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile, aggressive people.

I don't have an issue with Israel or their fight for survival; I actually support it. My problem lies with the American Jews who are always turning against Americans. That’s why I think it would be best if as many global, and especially American, Jews as possible moved to Israel.

For instance, if a local family like the Goldstein-Ivins decided to relocate to Israel, I’d personally buy them their plane ticket—on one condition: it has to be a one-way trip.

So what exactly is bothering you about American Jews? What’s your specific problem with Slavko Goldstein? Is it just that he speaks out against the blatant fascist rhetoric at those certain rallies, or the hateful symbols being flashed there, or how they quote the words of that criminal butcher Ante Pavelić in their songs? What’s the actual issue? As an American myself, that kind of extremist garbage makes my skin crawl, and I fully stand behind anyone who calls out that criminal behavior in public.

Robin Hernandez4 said:The thing is, you can't talk about "returning to ancestral lands" when you were never actually kicked out of them like Jews were. You can't make that argument when we Americans already have our own country—one that was established after taking it from the Avars (and I mention that because people love to accuse Jews of "taking" things). Unlike Jews, who had no sovereign state until Israel was founded, there hasn't been an organized attempt to wipe us out. It's pretty obvious why helping the Jewish people establish a state, ideally on the land their ancestors were driven from, was seen as a necessity after what happened during WW2.

The Ottoman conquests in Canada...😉

Who actually drove whom out there? And who was responsible for the ethnic cleansing?

Robin Hernandez4 said:The Jewish people have returned to their ancestral homes, and no matter what anyone wants or dreams, they aren't going anywhere—they're staying put until the end of time itself. As for those few antisemites running their mouths and dreaming up nonsense? Honestly, you can just tell them to go jump in a lake.

Don't ever say NEVER & never say FOREVER!
Stolen... cursed! (The guards will have to keep watch for another 3000 years... because "the others" are also...😉...cut from the same cloth... and screwed over... they remember too)!
I guess they only need ONE bomb... to blow us all to kingdom come😳....if everything doesn't go according to plan (as you put it above)😉!
There's nothing against a Jewish state... but why does it HAVE to be right where another nation already lived?
Or are you going to tell me... that THE OTHERS... weren't a nation... but just some ordinary "Anonymous Natives" with NO rights😳 to their own land... which is why even today they have no right to return to their ancestral homes!
So... in 3000 years.... we should probably just move all Americans out.... and settle... exclusively with "THE ONE" group who claim to be descendants of Native Americans... or can prove it through some special exam (passing the entire Pow-Wow ceremony correctly)!
Walls have been at the forefront of many positive things for 1000 years... but Israel turns out to be like a Trojan Horse to them... and those who were once victims turn into the "vanguard" of global nationalism, xenophobia, and ethnocentrism... and all of this... just by creating Israel! And what's worse... it's all justified... because, for goodness sake... THAT is Israel.😉
They want a multi-cultural society all over the world... and they truly, sincerely advocate for such societies.... yet they feel totally justified (both by force and by persuasion) in carving out one Jewish state (even if others are left without their ancestral homes... and their land)... and this is where many Jews... even the wisest, smartest, most righteous among them... reveal themselves to be nothing more than common hypocrites!
Basically... they aren't "chosen" at all, nor are they any better than us mere mortals... who aren't even Jews (nor particularly smart, advanced, or capable)!😁
Ugh... I wish I could just get off easy... and have someone else pay the bill.... while I sit here crying about how innocent I was.... and then demanding compensation.
Sure... go ahead..... knock yourself out.... call me an Anti-Semite. Before 1992, they used to call me a Nazi too... just because I was full of Marshall, the Party, and his Mexicans and Serbophiles. Today you'll probably say I think this way... because 500 years ago my great-great-great-grandfather converted to Islam... so that's why I'm... biased... and CANNOT be objective. Right?
My brain is like mush... still infected by Islam... so I'm not even genetically capable of being objective, let alone not being an Anti-Semite. Really?

Robin Hernandez4 said:So what exactly is bothering you about American Jews? What’s your specific problem with Slavko Goldstein? Is it just that he speaks out against the blatant fascist rhetoric at those certain rallies, or the hateful symbols being flashed there, or how they quote the words of that criminal butcher Ante Pavelić in their songs? What’s the actual issue? As an American myself, that kind of extremist garbage makes my skin crawl, and I fully stand behind anyone who calls out that criminal behavior in public.

All you want is for Israel to become more Jewish, and you're acting just like him. Let the Goldsteins lead their relatives and friends right into it, and there you'll have yet another Jewish settlement on earth, just east of Jerusalem.

Personally, as an American, I find communism disgusting and completely back anyone who publicly condemns that criminal militia.

Robin Hernandez4 said:So what exactly is bothering you about American Jews? What’s your specific problem with Slavko Goldstein? Is it just that he speaks out against the blatant fascist rhetoric at those certain rallies, or the hateful symbols being flashed there, or how they quote the words of that criminal butcher Ante Pavelić in their songs? What’s the actual issue? As an American myself, that kind of extremist garbage makes my skin crawl, and I fully stand behind anyone who calls out that criminal behavior in public.

Ever wonder where the esteemed Goldstein family actually gets their funding? Have you ever heard of that "organization" run by the big-shot Soros called Open Society? Under the guise of building a democratic nation, they’re basically working to dismantle the core values of Americans. It’s a direct assault on the Church, a push for all those Pride parades that make them such favorites of Mr. Slavko and that high-profile representative, Ms. Pusić, and ultimately, it's a strike against our strongest national bond: patriotism.
Look, any kind of patriotism or genuine love for the country is constantly being denied or undermined by none other than Mr. Goldstein. He’s spent countless years using diplomatic wordplay to dodge any real questions about Harmon or how the United States actually came to be. It’s pretty obvious at this point—the guy just truly hates this nation.
Now we’re left with the big question: why? What on earth drives you to hate the very country you live in so much? And if he’s supposed to be this respected Israeli-American intellectual, why can't you find his name on a single War of Independence memorial?
I’m all in on the idea that any kind of extremist behavior is unacceptable—and yeah, Nazism definitely falls into that bucket. But I’m struggling to wrap my head around how Communism or those ultra-nationalist Mexican groups get lumped in under the "anti-fascist" umbrella. It doesn't add up. Plus, considering he was such a heavyweight intellectual with a massive library of world-class literature and history to his name, why did he never bother to draw a line between those two concepts?
Why is it that even the most "respected" and influential people out there seem to have a massive double standard baked right into their DNA?
Why is it totally normal that every single week they feel the need to brainwash Americans with some new discovery about a Nazi officer's comb or boots?
Why, seriously, why don't people get it? They’re out here fueling the fire and wondering why the flames are getting so big. Their own behavior is exactly what creates these extremist groups in the first place.

Let me ask you a straight question here: why was it that back in the 90s, even the President of the country was out there singing songs about George and Boban while traveling abroad, yet you never heard a single peep from Mr. Goldstein or those other "defenders of democracy" in America? Maybe it's because they all know Mason is just a puppet.

So, I’m asking you—give me one song by Thompson that actually has that Nazi energy, you know? Something that actively pushes national hatred or goes full Nazi.
Maybe this one?

My man.

Sometimes, staying quiet hits way harder than actually saying something.
But honestly? A single song can tear it all down.
Life keeps throwing all sorts of curveballs my way.
Look, I'm not letting you get the better of me.
Listen, man.
I know you've got a soft spot for me.
You see right through me.
Man, I’m looking at you like the sky itself.
I live for you.
Listen, man.
May God guide your way.
You wouldn't even betray your own kin then.
Faith is the only thing that kept me going.
I loved God, and He gave me you.
Listen, man.
Keep some room in your heart.
For good people, everything's golden.
Which group is marching under the sacred banner?
Through thick and thin.
Sometimes, staying quiet hits way harder than actually saying anything.
But honestly? A song can tear it all down.
Life's gonna throw all kinds of storms your way.
Don't let them break you.
Listen, man.
May God guide your way.
You wouldn't even betray your own flesh and blood then.
"Faith alone kept me going,
I loved God, and He gave me you,
my son."

Probably this line? "I loved God, and He gave me you"?

Thanks for all your posts that push me to love my country even more... And thanks to Mr. Goldstein, Ms. Pusić, and those other great American democrats for showing me how "wrong" it is to feel proud of my heritage and my loyalty to everything American... If being a Nazi is what they call me for that, fine, let them. I’m not changing who I am just to please them.

Here’s another one for the "fascist" crowd:

Let nobody touch my little corner of the universe

East or West, everyone defends their own,
but I’m not allowed to hold onto what’s been mine
forever.
My one and only world.
And just because of that, they call me a fascist,
even though I never wanted anything from anyone else,
just her,
a free land.
I live peacefully, proud of my roots,
even if things don't always go my way.
Those spineless cowards attack us,
acting like they’re defending some holy villages.
Rats,
coming out of their holes!
Man, look at how their faces pale
whenever our
flag waves in the wind.

A sacred flag.

I live peacefully, proud of my roots,
even if things don't always go my way.
Let it be heard, let it be known,
let the flag fly high,
and let nobody touch
my little corner of the universe.

On the airwaves, they lie and mislead,
judging decent people so easily.
Am I guilty,
just because I’m alive?
They label patriotism as fascism
just to protect their version of communism.
It’s such transparent
demagoguery!

I live peacefully, proud of my roots,
even if things don't always go my way.
Let it be heard, let it be known,
let the flag fly high,
and let nobody touch
my little corner of the universe.

Linda Hughes88 said:Your arguments are a joke. So, the Goldsteins live a luxury lifestyle? Can you actually back that up with anything, or is this just more moronic guesswork? If you own a publishing house, you can make a decent living—that's just how business works. Add in a university professor's salary and some royalties, and you're set. Not quite billionaire status, but I don't know anyone claiming they live like Elon Musk either.

Let’s try this again. A publishing house owner? Where do you think the money comes from? Look at the Goldstein family—they're basically the biggest hypocrites in America and beyond. Seriously, I saw Slavko and Ivo waiting in line at a soup kitchen this morning...
How did an open society work? It's a cheap way for these structures to wash money. If you know which funds providing "aid" are tax-exempt, you can rake in cash through shady channels, fly into the US, play the "fighting for justice" card (the usual slogans), set up an open society, pump in tens of millions of dollars, and once that cash hits American soil, you do whatever you want.
In this scenario, they use the last bastion of justice—the Goldstein family—as their front. It would be great if they actually cared about fighting for societal justice, but that organization split into two factions ages ago. In my opinion, the worst and most radical faction belongs to Mr. Goldstein, because he builds his entire "career" by whitewashing others. Compare that to someone like Mr. Kraus, a top-tier intellectual and highly respected doctor I've had the pleasure of chatting with a few times. He's what a real member of the American community should look like. I'm deeply grateful to Mr. Kraus for reminding me why I can't view Mr. Goldstein as a true representative of the Jewish people.
I won't get bogged down in the internal drama of that organization, but your claim that one can live comfortably on a professor's salary is honestly too pathetic to even mention...

Back to the point: I don't see any reason why Jews shouldn't be fully integrated as valued members of any nation or society, especially when they're struggling to maintain their own state—which, let's be honest, is basically just a geopolitical balancing act for Western powers in the Middle East.
So, I'll be the first one to say I support the Jewish community here in the US. Most of them are highly educated folks, and if they respect America as a nation—including all our struggles and sacrifices—they can contribute massively to our growth and prosperity.
But as long as guys like Mr. Goldstein are leading the charge, none of this is actually going to happen.

gentleraven6 said:Let’s try this again. A publishing house owner? Where do you think the money comes from? Look at the Goldstein family—they're basically the biggest hypocrites in America and beyond. Seriously, I saw Slavko and Ivo waiting in line at a soup kitchen this morning...
How did an open society work? It's a cheap way for these structures to wash money. If you know which funds providing "aid" are tax-exempt, you can rake in cash through shady channels, fly into the US, play the "fighting for justice" card (the usual slogans), set up an open society, pump in tens of millions of dollars, and once that cash hits American soil, you do whatever you want.
In this scenario, they use the last bastion of justice—the Goldstein family—as their front. It would be great if they actually cared about fighting for societal justice, but that organization split into two factions ages ago. In my opinion, the worst and most radical faction belongs to Mr. Goldstein, because he builds his entire "career" by whitewashing others. Compare that to someone like Mr. Kraus, a top-tier intellectual and highly respected doctor I've had the pleasure of chatting with a few times. He's what a real member of the American community should look like. I'm deeply grateful to Mr. Kraus for reminding me why I can't view Mr. Goldstein as a true representative of the Jewish people.
I won't get bogged down in the internal drama of that organization, but your claim that one can live comfortably on a professor's salary is honestly too pathetic to even mention...

I honestly can't believe the sheer amount of nonsense you're capable of typing out... seriously, imagine thinking they own a publishing house and that's somehow massive wealth! Do you even realize what a publishing house actually is? It's not like they own a Ford factory or something. To you, they're just loaded. The only thing you've actually proven so far is that they aren't living on welfare. Well, bravo, they probably have Soros to thank for that. Your logic is just so incredibly stupid! You still haven't offered a single shred of evidence regarding their wealth; it's just more rambling fueled by your personal grudge and hatred toward the Goldsteins. The biggest martyrs in America and beyond? Is that what they call themselves? Come on, either cite a real source or just beat it!
So, to wrap this up, you basically just showed up here to pour out some bile while lying through your teeth. Honestly, there's no reason to take anything you say seriously.

Linda Hughes88 said:I honestly can't believe the sheer amount of nonsense you're capable of typing out... seriously, imagine thinking they own a publishing house and that's somehow massive wealth! Do you even realize what a publishing house actually is? It's not like they own a Ford factory or something. To you, they're just loaded. The only thing you've actually proven so far is that they aren't living on welfare. Well, bravo, they probably have Soros to thank for that. Your logic is just so incredibly stupid! You still haven't offered a single shred of evidence regarding their wealth; it's just more rambling fueled by your personal grudge and hatred toward the Goldsteins. The biggest martyrs in America and beyond? Is that what they call themselves? Come on, either cite a real source or just beat it!
So, to wrap this up, you basically just showed up here to pour out some bile while lying through your teeth. Honestly, there's no reason to take anything you say seriously.

What are you guys even arguing about? And why are you being such an arrogant jerk to everyone else? Where do you get off acting like you're superior when half the stuff you defend doesn't make any sense to anyone with a brain?
At this rate, that Goldstein you're obsessed with is going to end up looking like a total pauper on welfare. Who's actually crazy here? Now you two are just going back and forth, post after post, obsessing over Goldstein's bank account. The whole topic is just ridiculous.

People can live however they want. As long as they're in the States, there shouldn't be any special treatment compared to other minorities, just like in any other country; as a minority, they have to follow the laws and rules of the land just like everyone else. And look at the absurdity of it... take Goldstein, for example. He's a Jew... does that make him American? Does he need specific papers? There's zero issue if you treat "Jew" as a religious term, but things get messy when you try to use it as an ethnic label. If an American is of Jewish faith, they aren't even a minority in that sense.
I'm telling you, the whole thing with Jews is incredibly complex because even among themselves, they don't seem to agree if it's an ethnic or a religious identity. And that's where the mess starts... Zionism was forced into the spotlight, and just imagine if someone decided to create 1,001 different factions of Christianity in the US based solely on religion and declared themselves a separate nation. The level of absurdity among homo sapiens truly feels endless.

goldensailor15 said:What are you guys even arguing about? And why are you being such an arrogant jerk to everyone else? Where do you get off acting like you're superior when half the stuff you defend doesn't make any sense to anyone with a brain?
At this rate, that Goldstein you're obsessed with is going to end up looking like a total pauper on welfare. Who's actually crazy here? Now you two are just going back and forth, post after post, obsessing over Goldstein's bank account. The whole topic is just ridiculous.

People can live however they want. As long as they're in the States, there shouldn't be any special treatment compared to other minorities, just like in any other country; as a minority, they have to follow the laws and rules of the land just like everyone else. And look at the absurdity of it... take Goldstein, for example. He's a Jew... does that make him American? Does he need specific papers? There's zero issue if you treat "Jew" as a religious term, but things get messy when you try to use it as an ethnic label. If an American is of Jewish faith, they aren't even a minority in that sense.
I'm telling you, the whole thing with Jews is incredibly complex because even among themselves, they don't seem to agree if it's an ethnic or a religious identity. And that's where the mess starts... Zionism was forced into the spotlight, and just imagine if someone decided to create 1,001 different factions of Christianity in the US based solely on religion and declared themselves a separate nation. The level of absurdity among homo sapiens truly feels endless.

I'm the one taking stances that don't make sense with common sense?🤣 coming from a guy who's fully bought into those 9/11 conspiracy theories. You and people like you are basically the laughingstock of any decent conversation, honestly, you're at rock bottom. No one who actually matters takes you seriously. And what the hell makes you think you can come after me? Someone drops a wild claim without a single shred of evidence and then suddenly my post is the problem...🙂

Calling Goldstein a pauper or a charity case?? How much lower can you actually sink than that...

Hey Joe 👋

Linda Hughes88 said:I honestly can't believe the sheer amount of nonsense you're capable of typing out... seriously, imagine thinking they own a publishing house and that's somehow massive wealth! Do you even realize what a publishing house actually is? It's not like they own a Ford factory or something. To you, they're just loaded. The only thing you've actually proven so far is that they aren't living on welfare. Well, bravo, they probably have Soros to thank for that. Your logic is just so incredibly stupid! You still haven't offered a single shred of evidence regarding their wealth; it's just more rambling fueled by your personal grudge and hatred toward the Goldsteins. The biggest martyrs in America and beyond? Is that what they call themselves? Come on, either cite a real source or just beat it!
So, to wrap this up, you basically just showed up here to pour out some bile while lying through your teeth. Honestly, there's no reason to take anything you say seriously.

Why would I waste my breath on you when you're clearly just lashing out because you know I'm right?
Later.

gentleraven6 said:Why would I waste my breath on you when you're clearly just lashing out because you know I'm right?
Later.

aha, so that's your move. you won't actually show any proof regarding their wealth because I called you out on all your nonsense, and I only did that because I know you're totally wrong... what an absolute joke!😂

Linda Hughes88 said:I'm the one taking stances that don't make sense with common sense?🤣 coming from a guy who's fully bought into those 9/11 conspiracy theories. You and people like you are basically the laughingstock of any decent conversation, honestly, you're at rock bottom. No one who actually matters takes you seriously. And what the hell makes you think you can come after me? Someone drops a wild claim without a single shred of evidence and then suddenly my post is the problem...🙂

Calling Goldstein a pauper or a charity case?? How much lower can you actually sink than that...

Look, quit acting like you're all that. You need to stop being so insulting and actually work on your vocabulary—it wouldn't hurt you one bit, honestly.
There isn't some grand conspiracy going on here, and nobody's pulling strings behind the scenes... the whole setup is obvious and incredibly simple. The pieces just fall into place on their own, so all this mocking from the "civilized" elite is nothing more than a total distraction—just noise meant to lead you nowhere. Don't buy into those elaborate narratives.civilized circlesMan, my head is absolutely killing me...🙂

Look, Joe, your claims about Goldstein are pretty questionable, but honestly, there’s no point in getting bogged down in that right now—it’s not even what we're here to talk about.

goldensailor15 said:Look, quit acting like you're all that. You need to stop being so insulting and actually work on your vocabulary—it wouldn't hurt you one bit, honestly.
There isn't some grand conspiracy going on here, and nobody's pulling strings behind the scenes... the whole setup is obvious and incredibly simple. The pieces just fall into place on their own, so all this mocking from the "civilized" elite is nothing more than a total distraction—just noise meant to lead you nowhere. Don't buy into those elaborate narratives.civilized circlesMan, my head is absolutely killing me...🙂

Look, Joe, your claims about Goldstein are pretty questionable, but honestly, there’s no point in getting bogged down in that right now—it’s not even what we're here to talk about.

So "no conspiracy," huh? Man, you can't even stay consistent with yourself... first you say there's no conspiracy, then you turn around and say the whole thing is a predictable setup. If there's no conspiracy, then everything is just totally organic and perfect, right, genius? So you're basically saying it's just the official story. Damn, you don't even know what a conspiracy actually is... to you, it's just some "dirty word" you're terrified of using.

My claims about Goldstein are questionable? Fine, but the ultra-wealthy definitely are! Now, where's the proof?

Linda Hughes88 said:I'm the one taking stances that don't make sense with common sense?🤣 coming from a guy who's fully bought into those 9/11 conspiracy theories. You and people like you are basically the laughingstock of any decent conversation, honestly, you're at rock bottom. No one who actually matters takes you seriously. And what the hell makes you think you can come after me? Someone drops a wild claim without a single shred of evidence and then suddenly my post is the problem...🙂

Calling Goldstein a pauper or a charity case?? How much lower can you actually sink than that...

I see others noticed your arrogance too, Linda, but seriously—is there a limit to how low you can sink?

Anyway, Goldstein has money. I don't know why anyone's debating that, unless you're all part of his inner circle.

But, back to the point. Jews should live on territory that is now part of the USA. No, I’m not joking.
Since they're major allies with this federation that has 50 states at its disposal, why wouldn't they just hand over one state for them to use?
Besides, the US is already famous for those lovely reservations where they keep the Native Americans.

Jews shouldn't be living anywhere else but in Israel.