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Participants Jerry Green59Sean CruzKenneth Peterson5slypuma17Jeremy PalmerRobert Reyes34Sandra Parker3Donna Sullivan7Carol Baker6Amanda Stewart7Keith Lee2Kevin Nelson6Emily Chavez31Joseph Moore4
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
419 messages
joined Oct 2007
#21 ·
Jeremy Palmer said:Honestly, I wish I could just stay quiet too
- Who are these people on this subforum acting like psychiatrists or specialists, trying to run a therapy clinic through their posts?
- Or better yet, who are the ones pretending to be professionals just to mislead innocent users with psychological jargon?
- Does anyone actually know someone who was misled by these "experts," potentially leading them down the wrong path and making their situation worse?

If the original post included actual facts, it would carry much more weight because it would be based on reality rather than just a gut feeling.

Kenneth Peterson5 — I'm not quite sure what to say to you. This woman basically told you straight up that you're talking nonsense and that your comments are getting on her nerves, yet you claim to enjoy her exact way of being... I was really expecting your usual style of sharp, intelligent rebuttals backed by solid logic... but hey, if that's the kind of treatment you're into... 🙂

I'm not sure if calling out specific handles is against the rules here, and honestly, I'd rather avoid starting a massive flame war...
I see this thread more as a warning to watch out for certain patterns; I'm not saying everyone who follows advice is a mindless sheep without checking facts elsewhere first, either.

Since some people are already sharing their own "encounters" with these so-called "experts," I don't think this topic is just based on some vague feeling.

The thing is, none of us can truly know if anyone has been fooled or if their condition has worsened because we don't get any follow-up feedback.

In my opinion, it's important to speak up right here in the thread if you spot advice that looks suspicious or is just flat-out wrong.
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
419 messages
joined Oct 2007
#22 ·
Donna Sullivan7 said:-Personally, I don't mind if someone's just trying to offer some genuine, well-meaning advice
(without digging too deep into someone's private business)...
-but trying to dictate someone's dosage or
telling them to scale back on meds they were officially prescribed by a doctor based on a single sentence or some vague info... that's just plain wrong. It's honestly pretty childish.

@Jeremy Palmer-which ones?
-I ran into this guy who, because of his own little "convictions," was basically telling people to ditch their therapy (questioning how they even function without it). He even went on record advocating for drugs, publicly... and now, word is he's actually on medication himself...(you know the type...)
-There were even hints of actual illegal activity involved, but isn't that what the moderators are here for?? To step in when posts cross the line.👎

Yeah, but they haven't been much help so far, at least from what I've seen
I don't follow every single thread, obviously—I can't keep up with everything—so I was wondering... did you say anything when you spotted those "suspicious" pieces of advice?

Carol Baker6 said:But what about all that garbage advice you see in tabloids, like the New York Post?

I've lost count of how many times I've seen people fall for their nonsense—lies, scams, straight-up manipulation, twisting facts... you name it. And when you actually try to warn people, they just stare at you like you're the crazy one, saying, "Are you kidding? It was in the paper!"

And don't even get me started on the rest of the mainstream media outlets. They're all running the same playbook, maybe just slightly less aggressively than the Post, which is basically the gold standard for this kind of junk.

That's a completely different topic entirely
Newspapers, magazines... there's an editor, someone who puts them into circulation, and someone who is held accountable by their actual name... at least initially
That's not how things work here
Amanda Stewart7 Amanda Stewart7 Active Member
70 messages
joined Sep 2008
#23 ·
Freedom of speech can only be restricted if it clashes with public order, health, or morality. That's what Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights says.
Keith Lee2 Keith Lee2 Active Member
117 messages
joined Dec 2006
#24 ·
Jerry Green59 said:During my very first psychopathology lecture—held over at the university clinic—some guy walked into the classroom, looking incredibly serious. He gave us a quick nod, introduced himself as our professor, and... well, he got straight to work.

He talked about illnesses.
About disorders.
And various diagnoses.

The man was throwing around heavy terminology like he was getting paid by the syllable, just rattling off terms while we all sat there staring at each other, desperately trying to scribble everything down.

Then he moved on to case studies and patients, though it was impossible to ignore the palpable sense of contempt in his voice whenever he mentioned them.

Suddenly, a woman walked in accompanied by two nurses.
She greeted the class, acknowledged the "professor," and took her seat at the head of the room while the nurses escorted our "colleague" out. She then turned to us and asked one question.

"Which one of you actually believed he was a professor?"

Every single one of us raised our hands.

Unbelievable.

Kenneth Peterson5—whenever someone on a forum starts handing out clinical diagnoses or life advice based on thin evidence like "I didn't grow up with my father"—just know you're likely dealing with a "professor."

Being able to toss around technical jargon certainly suggests a person is familiar with the subject matter.

But it doesn't tell you if they're familiar with it as an expert, or simply as a patient.

So, please, be skeptical when accepting "professional" advice from internet forums.

That’s all.

But get this—the next day, since you missed the lecture and I was there, the same
guy shows up again—the "Professor."
Naturally, we all give him a huge round of applause because, hey, he totally fooled us.
But then he goes:
"Who among you believed that woman yesterday when she said I wasn't the professor, but she was?"

We all put our hands up again.

Man, seriously...😁
Donna Sullivan7 Donna Sullivan7 Active Member
112 messages
joined Aug 2007
#25 ·
Sandra Parker3;14310750 said:yeah, but their influence hasn't really been that strong, at least not up until now]
I don't follow every single thread, obviously, and I'm definitely not an expert on everything, so I was wondering.... did you say anything when you noticed those "sketchy" pieces of advice

-hey-,Sandra Parker3-, if I remember right, you were hanging around this thread last year too,... plenty of people called him out on his crap, and I even told him myself how I barely clawed my way out of drug hell, just to have him talk nonsense to me. He was all like, "well, as if drugs are any better than heroin..." lecturing me on "human boundaries"... hare krishna stuff... he just constantly equates prescription meds with opioids... acting like nobody can talk sense into him because he knows best and all that... then, well, his last update was about how he ended up relapsing during detox...(I think you know who I'm talking about, and I know you do)😉
Jerry Green59 Jerry Green59 MemberOP
34 messages
joined Dec 2007
#26 ·
The professor's name is Professor Miller, the building is the Liberal Arts college, and the lectures used to be held over on Oak Street.

(You missed the entrance; the pub is actually located in the Liberal Arts building)

@nina333: Who exactly is defending free speech here? Did someone actually advocate for getting rid of free expression?
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
419 messages
joined Oct 2007
#27 ·
Donna Sullivan7 said:..like nobody can talk sense into him because he thinks he's the ultimate authority on everything... and if I recall correctly, his last update was about how he ended up in rehab...(I'm sure you know exactly who we're talking about)😉

I have a vague memory of this, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Could you send me a link if you have one? You can just DM me, I'm actually pretty curious. 😁
Kevin Nelson6 Kevin Nelson6 Member
29 messages
joined May 2003
#28 ·
There aren't any actual professors here—well, perhaps not enough to be anything other than a nuisance, though fortunately, one can always just hit the ignore button.
The same goes for legitimate experts; they certainly have more important matters to attend to than bickering on internet forums.

However, we do have plenty of "influencers"—individuals who command an absurd amount of unearned trust because they lean heavily on their "been there, done that" narratives. They simply pick up a few medical buzzwords, skim the pamphlets included in their prescription bottles, glance at a couple of online articles, and consult a friend who "knows a thing or two about meds," and suddenly they consider themselves authorities.

But much like how every victim eventually finds their tormentor, every patient on these boards seems destined to find their own self-appointed forum psychiatrist to dictate diagnoses and dosages.

In my view, once you reach the age of 18, you are solely responsible for yourself. If someone truly believes this forum offers better guidance than a licensed professional, then either they aren't actually facing a real problem, or they are personally responsible for whatever consequences follow.
Keith Lee2 Keith Lee2 Active Member
117 messages
joined Dec 2006
#29 ·
Jerry Green59 said:The professor's name is Professor Miller, the building is the Liberal Arts college, and the lectures used to be held over on Oak Street.

(You missed the entrance; the pub is actually located in the Liberal Arts building)

@nina333: Who exactly is defending free speech here? Did someone actually advocate for getting rid of free expression?

@Sanjo
Just wanted to say—you can never be too careful.
You never really know who’s being genuine and who’s just messing with you.

There's this old fable about a sparrow, a cow, and a cat—pretty vivid stuff.
It goes like this:

Poor little sparrow freezes on a branch and drops like a stone.
A cow wanders by and... well, leaves a mess right on him.
The sparrow thaws out.
He starts getting all worked up.
The cat hears him.
She digs him out of the mess and eats him up.

But honestly, there are some real life lessons in there.
1. Just because someone screws you over doesn't mean they meant any harm.
2. Just because someone pulls you out of a hole doesn't mean they've got your back.
3. If you're already stuck in the mud, sometimes it's best to just stay quiet.

So, my takeaway? Even if Jerry Green59 leaves me in a mess, it doesn't mean she's out to get me.
Same goes for when you tell someone to "cut the crap"—it isn't always an insult.
Emily Chavez31 Emily Chavez31 Member
19 messages
joined Feb 2008
#30 ·
Jerry Green59 said:During my very first psychopathology lecture—held over at the university clinic—some guy walked into the classroom, looking incredibly serious. He gave us a quick nod, introduced himself as our professor, and... well, he got straight to work.

He talked about illnesses.
About disorders.
And various diagnoses.

The man was throwing around heavy terminology like he was getting paid by the syllable, just rattling off terms while we all sat there staring at each other, desperately trying to scribble everything down.

Then he moved on to case studies and patients, though it was impossible to ignore the palpable sense of contempt in his voice whenever he mentioned them.

Suddenly, a woman walked in accompanied by two nurses.
She greeted the class, acknowledged the "professor," and took her seat at the head of the room while the nurses escorted our "colleague" out. She then turned to us and asked one question.

"Which one of you actually believed he was a professor?"

Every single one of us raised our hands.

Unbelievable.

Kenneth Peterson5—whenever someone on a forum starts handing out clinical diagnoses or life advice based on thin evidence like "I didn't grow up with my father"—just know you're likely dealing with a "professor."

Being able to toss around technical jargon certainly suggests a person is familiar with the subject matter.

But it doesn't tell you if they're familiar with it as an expert, or simply as a patient.

So, please, be skeptical when accepting "professional" advice from internet forums.

That’s all.

this professor really reminds me of—Donna Sullivan7🤣
Joseph Moore4 Joseph Moore4 Member
22 messages
joined Apr 2008
#31 ·
Keith Lee2 said:But get this—the next day, since you missed the lecture and I was there, the same
guy shows up again—the "Professor."
Naturally, we all give him a huge round of applause because, hey, he totally fooled us.
But then he goes:
"Who among you believed that woman yesterday when she said I wasn't the professor, but she was?"

We all put our hands up again.

Man, seriously...😁

😲

Yeah, they're playing you. 😬

Dammit. 😁
Joseph Moore4 Joseph Moore4 Member
22 messages
joined Apr 2008
#32 ·
Jerry Green59 said:Kenneth Peterson5, give me a break.

(And by "give me a break," I mean I see you lurking on every single thread, demanding justifications and deep dives into everyone's motives.)

I rarely find myself browsing this specific forum.

I get it—sometimes people are dealing with real issues but feel too uneasy about seeing a doctor, so they take the path of least resistance by trying to DIY their problems online.

My goal with this topic is actually quite well-intentioned: I want to advise people that seeking help from verified professionals is much smarter than relying on internet advice. In my experience scrolling through here, I've run into plenty of cases where users offer suggestions that aren't just uneducated, but are downright catastrophic—the kind of bad advice that turns a minor issue into a total disaster.

Do you honestly think it’s unnecessary to warn forum users when someone starts "prescribing" medications or treatment plans?

If so, I suppose your stance is that anyone naive enough to follow amateur medical advice should simply be left to deal with the consequences of their own ignorance.

😲 🤣

Look, if someone is actually going to take medical advice from a "doctor" on an internet forum, a warning isn't going to do much. They’re already way too far gone. 😬
Emily Chavez31 Emily Chavez31 Member
19 messages
joined Feb 2008
#33 ·
Joseph Moore4 said:😲 🤣

Look, if someone is actually going to take medical advice from a "doctor" on an internet forum, a warning isn't going to do much. They’re already way too far gone. 😬

😂
Jerry Green59 Jerry Green59 MemberOP
34 messages
joined Dec 2007
#34 ·
Keith Lee2 said:@Sanjo
Just wanted to say—you can never be too careful.
You never really know who’s being genuine and who’s just messing with you.

There's this old fable about a sparrow, a cow, and a cat—pretty vivid stuff.
It goes like this:

Poor little sparrow freezes on a branch and drops like a stone.
A cow wanders by and... well, leaves a mess right on him.
The sparrow thaws out.
He starts getting all worked up.
The cat hears him.
She digs him out of the mess and eats him up.

But honestly, there are some real life lessons in there.
1. Just because someone screws you over doesn't mean they meant any harm.
2. Just because someone pulls you out of a hole doesn't mean they've got your back.
3. If you're already stuck in the mud, sometimes it's best to just stay quiet.

So, my takeaway? Even if Jerry Green59 leaves me in a mess, it doesn't mean she's out to get me.
Same goes for when you tell someone to "cut the crap"—it isn't always an insult.

You rascal—you're good, man, really good.
Thanks for the reminder.

And regarding the point of your previous post:

aaaaah, soooo ...

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