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The Black Swan Theory: What do you guys think?

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Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I am currently reading *The Black Swan*, and I find it difficult to shake the impression that there is an immense amount of truth packed into these pages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan_(book)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

To put it succinctly, rare and entirely unpredictable events—the kind no one could possibly anticipate even in their wildest dreams—exert the most significant influence on the trajectory of human history.

The term "Black Swan" serves as a metaphor for something fundamentally contrary to expectation and impossible to foresee.
Essentially, prior to the discovery of Australia, the world believed only white swans existed; they were the universal symbol of whiteness, and it never occurred to anyone that a black swan could actually exist.
Edward Flores4 Edward Flores4 Regular
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#2 ·
Kevin Gonzalez79 said:I am currently reading *The Black Swan*, and I find it difficult to shake the impression that there is an immense amount of truth packed into these pages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan_(book)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

To put it succinctly, rare and entirely unpredictable events—the kind no one could possibly anticipate even in their wildest dreams—exert the most significant influence on the trajectory of human history.

The term "Black Swan" serves as a metaphor for something fundamentally contrary to expectation and impossible to foresee.
Essentially, prior to the discovery of Australia, the world believed only white swans existed; they were the universal symbol of whiteness, and it never occurred to anyone that a black swan could actually exist.

I mean... think about it. What has a bigger impact on the trajectory of your own life: some standard, predictable Tuesday spent grinding away at your desk in an office building, or getting clipped by a car while you're just crossing the street?

Truly fascinating stuff. 😁
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active MemberOP
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Edward Flores4 said:I mean... think about it. What has a bigger impact on the trajectory of your own life: some standard, predictable Tuesday spent grinding away at your desk in an office building, or getting clipped by a car while you're just crossing the street?

Truly fascinating stuff. 😁

Or perhaps two planes crashing into a skyscraper.😉
goldencobra5 goldencobra5 Member
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Kevin Gonzalez79 said:I am currently reading *The Black Swan*, and I find it difficult to shake the impression that there is an immense amount of truth packed into these pages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan_(book)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

To put it succinctly, rare and entirely unpredictable events—the kind no one could possibly anticipate even in their wildest dreams—exert the most significant influence on the trajectory of human history.

The term "Black Swan" serves as a metaphor for something fundamentally contrary to expectation and impossible to foresee.
Essentially, prior to the discovery of Australia, the world believed only white swans existed; they were the universal symbol of whiteness, and it never occurred to anyone that a black swan could actually exist.

Most people simply lack the raw agency required to set major historical gears in motion. Instead, the momentum is driven either by pure, chaotic chance or by singular, brilliant minds—though, let's be honest, that often includes the sociopathic ones too.
The masses generally prefer to stay under the radar, keeping their heads down and moving through life one incremental step at a time.
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active MemberOP
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#5 ·
The core idea is that most events capable of significantly altering the course of society are initially ignored or dismissed as being statistically impossible. That is precisely why it is referred to as the Black Swan theory.
Edward Flores4 Edward Flores4 Regular
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Kevin Gonzalez79 said:Or perhaps two planes crashing into a skyscraper.😉

That wasn't some unpredictable accident... it was actually carefully orchestrated, specifically designed to force a massive shift in the status quo. Hegel broke this down ages ago, and nowadays, people usually call this kind of "politics" the "problem-reaction-solution" tactic.
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Edward Flores4 said:That wasn't some unpredictable accident... it was actually carefully orchestrated, specifically designed to force a massive shift in the status quo. Hegel broke this down ages ago, and nowadays, people usually call this kind of "politics" the "problem-reaction-solution" tactic.

The truth is, people don't actually sit down and map out these grand trajectories. Most human behavior is just a chaotic, elemental mess driven by nothing more than raw greed and the basic instinct to survive.
Everything truly consequential happens either by pure, unadulterated chance or through the sheer force of visionaries—individuals who are themselves such unpredictable anomalies that you can't possibly account for them in a blueprint.

Who exactly sat down to orchestrate the Industrial Revolution?
Who could have possibly planned the Renaissance?
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goldencobra5 said:The truth is, people don't actually sit down and map out these grand trajectories. Most human behavior is just a chaotic, elemental mess driven by nothing more than raw greed and the basic instinct to survive.
Everything truly consequential happens either by pure, unadulterated chance or through the sheer force of visionaries—individuals who are themselves such unpredictable anomalies that you can't possibly account for them in a blueprint.

Who exactly sat down to orchestrate the Industrial Revolution?
Who could have possibly planned the Renaissance?

Precisely. Even if there had been a blueprint, no one could have possibly predicted the outcome.

Take the internet, for instance. In its infancy, it was largely ignored; even the most prominent Wall Street analysts didn't give it much thought. Now, try to imagine the modern world without it and consider the sheer scale of its impact on humanity today.

And that is to say nothing of accidental inventions.

The author’s point here is that we are conditioned to ignore anything deemed impossible or highly improbable. Because we reflexively dismiss these events, they catch us off guard—yet these are exactly the types of occurrences that shape our future. He refers to them as "Black Swan" events.
goldencobra5 goldencobra5 Member
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Kevin Gonzalez79 said:Precisely. Even if there had been a blueprint, no one could have possibly predicted the outcome.

Take the internet, for instance. In its infancy, it was largely ignored; even the most prominent Wall Street analysts didn't give it much thought. Now, try to imagine the modern world without it and consider the sheer scale of its impact on humanity today.

And that is to say nothing of accidental inventions.

The author’s point here is that we are conditioned to ignore anything deemed impossible or highly improbable. Because we reflexively dismiss these events, they catch us off guard—yet these are exactly the types of occurrences that shape our future. He refers to them as "Black Swan" events.

Precisely. And if you really want to know what the next one is...

It's the day the wheel gets retired to a museum. After serving humanity faithfully for thousands of years.
Edward Flores4 Edward Flores4 Regular
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goldencobra5 said:The truth is, people don't actually sit down and map out these grand trajectories. Most human behavior is just a chaotic, elemental mess driven by nothing more than raw greed and the basic instinct to survive.
Everything truly consequential happens either by pure, unadulterated chance or through the sheer force of visionaries—individuals who are themselves such unpredictable anomalies that you can't possibly account for them in a blueprint.

Who exactly sat down to orchestrate the Industrial Revolution?
Who could have possibly planned the Renaissance?

Is it just me, or are you trying to compare the Renaissance—this massive, organic cultural shift that swept up hundreds of thousands of people—to American domestic terrorism, which is a calculated act carried out by a handful of politicians?

I really hope you aren't!
Kevin Gonzalez79 Kevin Gonzalez79 Active MemberOP
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Edward Flores4 said:Is it just me, or are you trying to compare the Renaissance—this massive, organic cultural shift that swept up hundreds of thousands of people—to American domestic terrorism, which is a calculated act carried out by a handful of politicians?

I really hope you aren't!

"American state-sponsored terrorism."🤣 Just another one of those proponents of massive conspiracies and shadowy masterminds pulling the strings from the dark.

In my view, the world is far more chaotic than that, but we aren't here to debate conspiracy theories. We are discussing how seemingly impossible events impact history and humanity as a whole.
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#12 ·
Do you honestly believe anyone could have predicted that a small group of destitute women preaching about one God in an intensely hostile Roman environment would eventually become the most dominant religion on the planet?
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Edward Flores4 said:Is it just me, or are you trying to compare the Renaissance—this massive, organic cultural shift that swept up hundreds of thousands of people—to American domestic terrorism, which is a calculated act carried out by a handful of politicians?

I really hope you aren't!


The Industrial Revolution kicked off in the United Kingdom. You had the rise of manufacturing, followed by the invention of the steam engine and its integration into the textile industry...
What on earth does any of that have to do with the United States?
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goldencobra5 said:The Industrial Revolution kicked off in the United Kingdom. You had the rise of manufacturing, followed by the invention of the steam engine and its integration into the textile industry...
What on earth does any of that have to do with the United States?

He's referring to 9/11, which I mentioned earlier as one of those unpredictable events that continue to shape our present reality.
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Žižek says:

Every once in a while—totally out of nowhere, totally unpredictable, and completely outside what we can actually perceive about the struggle [you know, about what’s actually happening and how things really are, the actual State of Affairs]—this Event happens. It's like it belongs to a whole different dimension.
Take late 18th-century society in France, for example: you could study the social classes, the economic clashes, the political beef, etc.—all of that is stuff we can actually wrap our heads around. But no matter how much data you collect, you'll never be able to predict or explain the truly unexplainable event called the ''French Revolution''. That's just how an Event works; it shows up ex nihilo...


To go deeper: the Event

Here's the kicker: if anyone looks at a bunch of random ''facts'' from a specific moment in history and sees them as One single Event, they're actually participating in that Event. Like, for the French aristocracy back then, what we now call the French Revolution was probably just seen as ''just another little riot...'' But honestly, everyone who decided to see it as something New—something that breaks the old status quo—became part of that Event just by doing that. If a critical mass of people hadn't realized it was this Totally New thing, this Event, then nothing new would have actually happened.
History is basically made by the people who believe in it. 🤷

It's kind of the same with 9/11: if enough people decide it's an Event that fundamentally reshapes global relationships, then it actually becomes one. On the flip side, if most people just write it off as another media circus staged by imperialist leaders, then it isn't an Event; it's just more of the same.

The big takeaway from postmodern politics is this idea that there are no Events—that ''nothing actually happens,'' that the truth event is just some fleeting, illusory glitch, a fake identification that eventually fades away when things settle back to normal, or at best, a passing promise of redemption that we should stay far away from to avoid those scary ''totalitarian'' vibes. But against all that structural skepticism, Badiou is totally right to insist that—using his term in its full theological weight—a miracle occurs...
So, I guess you can see why a truth event is ''undecidable'': from the perspective of the System, or the ontological ''state of affairs,'' it's undecidable. ...You can only identify it from the standpoint of what Badiou calls an ''explanatory intervention''—basically, if you speak from a position of subjective engagement. Or, to put it more formally, if the act of naming the situation is actually part of the situation itself. Those chaotic happenings in late 18th-century France can only be identified as the ''French Revolution'' by the people who are willing to take the ''bet'' that such an Event exists. Badiou formally defines an intervention as ''any action where a multiplicity is recognized as one event''—so, ''it will always remain uncertain whether there was even an event, except for the intervenor [l'intervenant] who decided to commit to the situation.''


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Kevin Gonzalez79 said:He's referring to 9/11, which I mentioned earlier as one of those unpredictable events that continue to shape our present reality.

Honestly, he seems completely muddled today. I was being quite explicit about the Industrial Revolution and the Renaissance, yet somehow he managed to twist my words to fit his own narrative.
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Kevin Gonzalez79 said:He's referring to 9/11, which I mentioned earlier as one of those unpredictable events that continue to shape our present reality.

Exactly... the World Trade Center had actually been targeted before 9/11 in a very similar way, though it didn't succeed then. Plus, the U.S. military was already running drills and simulations for an attack just like that, so calling 9/11 some totally "unforeseen" event is a bit of a stretch.

Beyond that... nothing really happens without warning signs being dropped beforehand. It’s just that people who are entirely wrapped up in their own worlds usually miss them. Once life catches them off guard, they don't want to admit they were blindsided simply because of their own self-absorption—so instead, they rationalize it by labeling anyone who actually saw the signs coming as a conspiracy theorist.
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Edward Flores4 said:Exactly... the World Trade Center had actually been targeted before 9/11 in a very similar way, though it didn't succeed then. Plus, the U.S. military was already running drills and simulations for an attack just like that, so calling 9/11 some totally "unforeseen" event is a bit of a stretch.

Beyond that... nothing really happens without warning signs being dropped beforehand. It’s just that people who are entirely wrapped up in their own worlds usually miss them. Once life catches them off guard, they don't want to admit they were blindsided simply because of their own self-absorption—so instead, they rationalize it by labeling anyone who actually saw the signs coming as a conspiracy theorist.

I find myself agreeing with your perspective, though I would probably lean even harder into another phenomenon we're currently witnessing while collectively choosing to look the other way: global warming, along with the floods, freak storms, and natural disasters that come with it.
People are still far too attached to their precious gas-guzzling SUVs; they try to ignore the reality by just cranking up the AC, and when the inevitable disaster hits, they'll act like it was some bolt from the blue that nobody could have seen coming.
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Global warming is simply a natural cycle the Earth undergoes periodically, regardless of human activity.
goldencobra5 goldencobra5 Member
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jademarlin26 said:Global warming is simply a natural cycle the Earth undergoes periodically, regardless of human activity.


Perhaps. Or perhaps we're all just choosing to look the other way.

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