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6 months into the greatest financial meltdown in history

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Douglas Allen79 Douglas Allen79 MemberOP
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joined Jan 2008
#21 ·
cosmicpuma15 said:Look, I’m a highly sophisticated, college-educated individual with an IQ in the top 1% of the population. You? You’re just a little unrefined on the inside. What can you do?

But if we're being honest, your mother is mostly preoccupied with my massive junk. 😁

However, you conveniently failed to mention that we are discussing a virtual ego from some digital cyber-realm.🤣 Having witnessed—or rather, having failed to witness—your actual physical reality, your own mother would likely have been caught between fits of hysterical laughter and pure pity, perhaps even kicking you into the very first dumpster you encountered as an infant, a bin you clearly haven't climbed out of yet...😂
Jack Lopez63 Jack Lopez63 Newcomer
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#22 ·
The guy is a huge Alex Jones fan (definitely food for thought). He claims the British Empire all traces back to some Venetian merchant class established by Draco aliens who have been pulling the strings since the beginning of time.
But their goal isn't actually to wipe us out or watch humanity vanish.

Maybe we’re just overpopulated? Maybe we’re burning through resources too fast? Perhaps we’re destroying the habitat for future generations—the very people we claim to care about. Maybe China and India haven't earned their seat at the table of the wealthy. Or maybe the Arab world is gearing up for a global nuclear conflict.

The reality is that things have reached a breaking point, and massive shifts in the global economy and legal systems are inevitable. This era of pure materialism and hoarding wealth is rotten and on the verge of collapse. There was a time when Germany grew so powerful they tried to challenge the colonial powers, only to be shut down, and the whole world paid the price (except for the USA, which basically just bows down to them). These upcoming changes will likely cost many innocent lives, but nothing new or better ever emerges in nature without a little destruction.

Calling it the Apocalypse feels like an exaggeration. We’re just waiting on the Mayan calendar. That won't be long either.
Douglas Allen79 Douglas Allen79 MemberOP
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#23 ·
Jack Lopez63 said:The guy is a huge Alex Jones fan (definitely food for thought). He claims the British Empire all traces back to some Venetian merchant class established by Draco aliens who have been pulling the strings since the beginning of time.
But their goal isn't actually to wipe us out or watch humanity vanish.

Maybe we’re just overpopulated? Maybe we’re burning through resources too fast? Perhaps we’re destroying the habitat for future generations—the very people we claim to care about. Maybe China and India haven't earned their seat at the table of the wealthy. Or maybe the Arab world is gearing up for a global nuclear conflict.

The reality is that things have reached a breaking point, and massive shifts in the global economy and legal systems are inevitable. This era of pure materialism and hoarding wealth is rotten and on the verge of collapse. There was a time when Germany grew so powerful they tried to challenge the colonial powers, only to be shut down, and the whole world paid the price (except for the USA, which basically just bows down to them). These upcoming changes will likely cost many innocent lives, but nothing new or better ever emerges in nature without a little destruction.

Calling it the Apocalypse feels like an exaggeration. We’re just waiting on the Mayan calendar. That won't be long either.

What on earth are you rambling about? What is this nonsense regarding the Maya or these supposed aliens taking over today?🤣 Are you out of your mind?!😂 The mere fact that you mention that lunatic Alex Jones, who peddles such baseless fog and misinterprets data, tells me everything I need to know about your mental state... For someone described as an economist, a statesman, and a philosopher—someone whose name should be synonymous with REASON and TRUTH—to claim to be a fan of Alex Jones???!!! Are you being shallow, or are you just delusional?!
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
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#24 ·
@Douglas Allen79 ... you went a little too far with the insults there, if you ask me.
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
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#25 ·
He’s got zero statesman qualities, honestly. Under US law, anyone with a criminal record—and yeah, he's been behind bars for tax evasion—isn't even eligible to run for office...

I've actually met Laruche personally, and look, I don't think everything he says is gospel. Some of his ideas are just a little bit rotten, if you ask me.
Douglas Allen79 Douglas Allen79 MemberOP
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joined Jan 2008
#26 ·
It has finally begun... Where have all those biting, cynical comments vanished to? Honestly, I can't even bring myself to laugh, because we are all standing shoulder to shoulder in this massive, global financial quagmire...
www.larouchepac.com www.larouchepub.com http://www.schiller-institut.org/en/
Melissa Mendoza75 Melissa Mendoza75 Member
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joined Apr 2012
#27 ·
JPMorgan Chase is telling its clients to brace themselves for a massive slump in global capital and credit markets over the next three months. This warning feels pretty heavy, especially since it comes from the bank’s own credit strategist, Bob Janjuah, who actually called the credit crisis last year perfectly, according to The Wall Street Journal.

"Get ready, because things are about to get really ugly," Janjuah says. The bank's research department is warning that the S&P 500, which tracks stocks on Wall Street, could probably drop by more than 300 points, hitting around 1050 by September.

If those global markets actually tank like that, it would honestly be one of the worst bear markets we've seen in the last century.
Nicholas Sanchez3 Nicholas Sanchez3 Member
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#28 ·
Melissa Mendoza75 said:JPMorgan Chase is telling its clients to brace themselves for a massive slump in global capital and credit markets over the next three months. This warning feels pretty heavy, especially since it comes from the bank’s own credit strategist, Bob Janjuah, who actually called the credit crisis last year perfectly, according to The Wall Street Journal.

"Get ready, because things are about to get really ugly," Janjuah says. The bank's research department is warning that the S&P 500, which tracks stocks on Wall Street, could probably drop by more than 300 points, hitting around 1050 by September.

If those global markets actually tank like that, it would honestly be one of the worst bear markets we've seen in the last century.

Posted:
06/18/2008 12:36

Wow, thanks for the breaking news. Real "cutting edge" stuff here.
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Melissa Mendoza75 Melissa Mendoza75 Member
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#29 ·
Nicholas Sanchez3 said:Posted:
06/18/2008 12:36

Wow, thanks for the breaking news. Real "cutting edge" stuff here.
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Well, if what Nostradamus predicted actually lines up with how the market looks right now... I guess I might have misspoken when I was adding to IRON striker's thoughts. We probably just weren't on the same page.🤣
Douglas Allen79 Douglas Allen79 MemberOP
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#30 ·
Some individuals are simply incapable of distinguishing between innate, sheer stupidity and that hollow, misplaced pride—that stubborn insistence on being right just because they were told they were geniuses back when they were toddlers, a delusion they cling to with startling fervor even today... Let them continue on their path! Straight to HELL! 👍
James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
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#31 ·
Look, can you just give me the gist of what you're talking about? I really don't have the bandwidth to slog through sixteen pages of this—maybe just 10 to 20 sentences so I can get a sense of your argument. Honestly, if you did that, you might actually reach more people... I think most folks just don't have the time to dive into something that long.

btw. I'm a fan of sci-fi novels about the end of the world and disaster movies.😁😁
Melissa Mendoza75 Melissa Mendoza75 Member
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joined Apr 2012
#32 ·
You really need to find some time to read this. Important things in life tend to just drift right past us, and if we don't catch them, well... I guess an individual can't save the whole world, but you can at least help yourself.
Douglas Allen79 Douglas Allen79 MemberOP
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joined Jan 2008
#33 ·
More urgent than ever: the Great Four!
On October 1st, Lyndon LaRouche will take to the airwaves via an international broadcast to offer a truly singular perspective on the most devastating global crisis we have ever witnessed—a crisis defined by a total vacuum of leadership. Between the collapse of the banking institutions, military confrontations teetering on the brink of a massive conflagration, and the systematic undermining of the constitutional foundations of government, particularly here in the United States, most people are completely lost as to how to grapple with the existential threats facing them and their nations. LaRouche—whose warnings regarding this exact outcome have been vindicated, provided his programmatic prescriptions are followed—will once again present the indispensable solution under the title of his online broadcast, "More Urgent Than Ever, the Great Four."

The solution must be global in scope, and it can be distilled as follows:

Step one: Place the existing international monetary system into a form of bankruptcy reorganization.

Step two: Establish a new system—a credit-based system rather than a monetary one—modeled after a modern iteration of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s vision for the Bretton Woods system.

Step three: Organize this new system upon an expanded version of the 1648 Westphalian peace treaty, replacing our current system of endless friction. The IMF should be replaced by a framework of agreements between participating sovereign nations, accompanied by long-term economic mandates aimed at scientific and industrial progress per capita and per square mile of territory.

Step four: Define a shared, long-term orientation toward these agreed-upon tasks, with timelines spanning one to two generations, all serving the overarching purpose of increasing the productive capacity of the workforce in every nation.

To achieve these results, there must be a pact among the leading powers—what LaRouche has termed the "Four-Power Agreement"—to implement it. These powers are Russia, China, India, and the United States, the latter being perhaps the hardest member to bring to the negotiating table today.

Contrary to the garbage being fed to us by the media, the current Russian leadership has adopted the correct orientation necessary to reach such an agreement. Even in the face of the lunatic provocations from the warmongering Bush administration, which is essentially instigated by the United Kingdom, and despite the sheer idiocy of President Bush himself, Prime Minister Putin and President Medvedev have repeatedly emphasized their desire to cooperate with the United States to resolve the economic and strategic problems confronting the world. By insisting they will make no concessions to British imperialist aggression, the Russian leadership is seeking a partnership similar to what was achieved between our two nations during FDR's era.

China and India, which have already established an informal strategic alliance with Russia, are also more than ready for such a coalition, as evidenced by their responses to LaRouche's analyses and initiatives.

So, how do we bring the United States into political alignment with this emerging bloc of nations, which represents more than one-third of the world's population? How do we ensure that a half-mad President doesn't allow Cheney to blow up the entire world in a new war (for instance, against Iran), and how do we compel leading American institutions to take positive steps toward establishing the Four-Power Agreement?

We simply do not have the luxury of waiting for elections to conclude. There is nothing on the horizon suggesting any competent leadership from the candidates—in fact, quite the opposite. True leadership must emerge around the ideas LaRouche has put forward, and it must happen within the next few weeks. Listen to LaRouche, act upon it, and internalize his message. It isn't pleasant news, but it is the truth.
Douglas Allen79 Douglas Allen79 MemberOP
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#34 ·
A MUST-READ FOR EVERYONE! http://www.schiller-institut.de/hrva...alog170908.pdf
Bryan Cruz4 Bryan Cruz4 Newcomer
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#35 ·
The American financial sector is collapsing. Mortgage firms are going under, and now Bush is pushing for government intervention. His plan? Bail out private banks using taxpayer-funded bonds. The problem is, Americans don't actually have that kind of cash sitting around. Instead, they’re just piling on more debt, spiraling deeper into this massive financial crisis. They’re stuck in a lose-lose situation where every move they make just worsens the disaster.
If they don't inject capital, the entire financial sector goes down the drain. If they do, they just sink further into debt. They haven't even figured out how they're going to pay back those massive sums to the Chinese. Plus, there isn't any sign that this $700 billion bailout won't vanish into thin air in no time.
The government is failing. They're broke, yet their expenses are astronomical. They're printing money like Mark.
The USA is becoming increasingly dependent on China. We're trapped in a debt crisis. What happens when the Chinese finally demand repayment? So far, they haven't asked for anything. But what will Americans even give them? What do they even have left to offer?
They'll have no choice but to hand over ownership of their assets. But do you really think they'll be willing to hand over what they owe? I highly doubt it!
Douglas Allen79 Douglas Allen79 MemberOP
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#36 ·
INTRODUCTION – Here in America, we have our own share of self-proclaimed experts, particularly those politicians who pose as all-knowing authorities. They constantly lecture us on how they are doing everything in their power to cushion the blow of daily crises, repeatedly offering the same explanations every single time reality inevitably shatters their "expert" forecasts. Do we just sit here and swallow it? This cycle is likely to persist for quite some time, so it would be wise to learn from the parallel circumstances emerging from the world's most arrogant "experts"—because the wind blowing from their direction is what is currently filling the sails of our leaders:

The Failed Trick of Saving the Pillar Enters a Desperate New Phase
John Doe
The following article will appear in the next issue of Foreign Affairs, dated January 23, 2009.

January 18, 2009 (DNC)—Today’s sudden rescue attempt for Bank of America, coupled with renewed discussions about the necessity of purchasing hundreds of billions of dollars in toxic financial assets from other institutions, suggests that this bailout process has spiraled into a dangerous and desperate new stage. If you look past the official empty rhetoric, it becomes clear that the bailout isn't just failing Bank of America—it reveals that the entire American banking system is fundamentally illiquid, despite the trillions of dollars our government has essentially tossed into a bottomless pit.

This underscores a growing sentiment surfacing in Washington, D.C., New York City, and within the corridors of the OECD: the idea that this "toxic waste"—the term used for these tainted financial papers—must be purged from bank balance sheets so the global economy can finally begin its return to normalcy. The rescuers argue that once we strip these banks of all that filthy, bad debt, the system will naturally recover.

This approach is strikingly similar to the behavior of an addict who knows deep down they need to quit, yet lacks the courage to actually do it. They tell themselves, "Just one more fix," or "Let me just get through this one moment to stabilize, and then I'll stop." But they never stop, not until it kills them. We have reached a point where these money addicts simply cannot be restrained, and therefore, smarter minds must step in. It is time to stop feeding these addictive habits and instead force their system into bankruptcy before it takes us all down with it.

The Fall of Bank of America
Bank of America was once considered one of the great success stories in American banking, climbing from a modest local outfit in Charlotte, NC, to become one of the largest financial giants on the planet. Along the way, it swallowed up banks across the South and in Texas, evolving from NationsBank into its current form through various mergers, including the acquisition of the San Francisco-based entity that eventually became part of the Bank of America we know today. In January 2008, it finalized a deal to acquire Countrywide Financial, a mortgage lender that had run into serious trouble, for $4 billion after already injecting $2 billion into the firm back in August 2007. That move to take over Countrywide wasn't just a standard business decision; it was a government-backed maneuver designed specifically to prevent Countrywide from collapsing entirely. They hoped that saving Countrywide would contain the damage, but they were wrong. Then, in September 2008—during the same chaotic week that Lehman Brothers collapsed and AIG cratered—Bank of America was called upon once again, this time to pick up the pieces of Merrill Lynch. Blinded by sheer ambition and a total lack of common sense, Bank of America signed the deal. As the old saying goes, it was a bridge too far.

While Countrywide and Merrill Lynch were undoubtedly the primary drivers behind Bank of America's downfall, the bank's attempts to absorb those institutions were merely the final stumbling blocks. Growing like a weed during times of general prosperity, the bank expanded aggressively and left itself completely unprepared for a downturn. The deals for Countrywide and Merrill Lynch were just as much attempts to save Bank of America as they were attempts to save the companies being bought. All of them were weak, and that weakness is now being laid bare. The notion that Merrill Lynch is solely responsible for Bank of America's failure is nothing more than a convenient cloak designed to hide the ugly truth about the American banking system: the fact that both the system itself and the banks within it are fundamentally illiquid. Where Citigroup went in November, Bank of America is headed today, and there is no doubt that JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo will follow closely behind.

'Bad' Banks
The attempts to forestall this looming financial meltdown are playing out through high-level discussions echoing across the globe. During a speech delivered at the London School of Economics on January 13th, Ben Bernanke, the Chairman of the Fed, articulated a vision wherein the U.S. Treasury might purge all toxic assets from the balance sheets of financial institutions—whether through direct purchases, asset guarantees, or by establishing what some call "bad banks." Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has echoed these sentiments quite closely.

Bernanke traveled to New York City to confer with his international banking counterparts and to meet with the British Prime Minister. Much like the United States, which has already funneled hundreds of billions into its banking infrastructure, the UK is now contemplating the creation of its own specialized "toxic asset bank" to absorb tens of billions in distressed holdings.

This exact dilemma has reverberated through the OECD, which released a report on January 12th emphasizing that the removal of toxic waste from the banking sector is an absolute prerequisite for any meaningful recovery. The OECD, headquartered in Paris, represents thirty member nations, including the United States, Canada, and Australia.

While the OECD is undoubtedly correct about the necessity of purging this toxic sludge, the real debate lies in the execution. Essentially, we are faced with two distinct paths: either governments step in to buy up this poisonous debt and hope for the best, or the entire system undergoes a structured reorganization where these losses are formally written off. The first option is pure fantasy; it simply cannot work because if the government buys these papers, they aren't disappearing—they are merely migrating from bank ledgers to taxpayer balance sheets, effectively driving sovereign states toward insolvency. The second path, a process of orderly bankruptcy and restructuring advocated by Lyndon LaRouche, begins with the honest admission that most of these assets are worthless and must be written down in a way that protects ordinary citizens and the essential pillars of the banking system.

In his remarks in New York City, Bernanke appeared somewhat hysterical despite his attempts at restraint, alternating between praising the measures taken thus far and admitting that the situation continues to deteriorate. He detailed the Fed's series of interest rate cuts and described a growing catalog of lending programs orchestrated by the Fed, the Treasury, and the FDIC, going so far as to claim that these actions "very likely prevented a global financial meltdown this past autumn."

Despite this supposed success and the trillions of dollars already deployed, Bernanke conceded that "further infusions of capital and guarantees may become necessary to ensure stability and the normalization of credit markets," specifically mentioning the possibility of bad banks.

Bernanke’s commentary was anything but reassuring. Every single step he has taken has failed to address the root cause, yet he persists in repeating the same failed patterns on an even larger scale. For someone branded as a leading expert on the Great Depression, this performance is hardly inspiring. Then again, what else could one expect from a student of Milton Friedman? It seems economics isn't exactly the strong suit of the vaunted Chicago School.

There is no turning back
The sheer hopelessness of the current administration's position was captured by the Group of Thirty, a "brain trust" composed of eminent former central bankers, regulators, and academics. The G-30 recently released a study, developed under the auspices of former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker, which proposes a suite of regulatory reforms designed to instill accountability and curb the excesses that defined the recent era. While some of these recommendations move in a constructive direction, the plan suffers from a fundamental flaw: it assumes that a simple return to the status quo—to the world before bankers lost their minds—is both possible and sufficient, when in reality, neither is remotely feasible.

The significance of this G-30 report can be summarized as attempting to re-bolt the stable door after the horse has already died. The financial system has already perished, and no amount of fine-tuning regulation can breathe life back into it. We have reached a point where it is no longer possible to simply shuffle the chaos around within the system.

It is absolutely essential, just as LaRouche has consistently and relentlessly argued, that we force the entire global financial architecture—that Anglo-Dutch liberal central banking and monetary apparatus—into a state of total bankruptcy. The global market for financial derivatives, which represents a staggering number of trillions of dollars in claims and paper assets, simply must be frozen in place until there is a clear, organized plan for when they will finally be called to account. You cannot patch up or repair the current system; it is fundamentally broken and must be replaced entirely.
Michelle Davis15 Michelle Davis15 Active Member
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joined May 2007
#37 ·
The defining feature of this whole crisis is pretty simple: the ultra-wealthy are going to swoop in and scoop up stocks at prices that are honestly ridiculous. It’s basically a massive transfer of wealth where the rich just get even richer. We've seen this exact play before, haven't we?
Sandra Williams70 Sandra Williams70 Member
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joined Jun 2010
#38 ·
Michelle Davis15 said:The defining feature of this whole crisis is pretty simple: the ultra-wealthy are going to swoop in and scoop up stocks at prices that are honestly ridiculous. It’s basically a massive transfer of wealth where the rich just get even richer. We've seen this exact play before, haven't we?

👍 They'll buy up half the world at ridiculous prices.
Gregory Williams7 Gregory Williams7 Active Member
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#39 ·
What exactly does that mean to them? When the items they purchase at such ridiculous prices aren't even worthless—but instead, they actually end up owing something to others!
Sandra Williams70 Sandra Williams70 Member
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joined Jun 2010
#40 ·
They’re just hoarding it—obviously—because they plan to flip it to the working class later at a five or ten-fold markup.

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