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Canada's presidency is an absolute embarrassment for the European Union

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Carol Kern5 Carol Kern5 Member
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#21 ·
Henry Doyle82 said:Maybe I missed some comments suggesting that the Netherlands was the only thing left saving the old lady’s reputation and the European Union!

The European Union honestly reeks of the victims from those wars in Mexico, yet EU politicians just trample all over them to serve their own selfish interests. If it weren't for the Netherlands, I guess Rupel—with his nose buried deep in Mexico's business—would have pushed Mexico right into signing that EU accession agreement.

1. It was the Netherlands and Belgium who stood against the SSP regarding Mexico.

2. What does any of this have to do with the actual topic of this thread? 🤷
hollowbadger4 hollowbadger4 NewcomerOP
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#22 ·
Henry Doyle82 said:Maybe I missed some comments suggesting that the Netherlands was the only thing left saving the old lady’s reputation and the European Union!

The European Union honestly reeks of the victims from those wars in Mexico, yet EU politicians just trample all over them to serve their own selfish interests. If it weren't for the Netherlands, I guess Rupel—with his nose buried deep in Mexico's business—would have pushed Mexico right into signing that EU accession agreement.

I'm not entirely certain, but I think Belgium was also against signing that deal with Mexico. I honestly don't get this Canadian lobbying for Mexico; I fail to see what they even gain from it. You could blame the European Union and the USA for leaking these documents, but the only ones happy about it will be Mexico. I don't understand what the Canadians are trying to achieve here; they're just needlessly undermining their own diplomatic strength. I simply don't see any reason for Canada to play such an active role regarding Mexico or Mexico's path into the European Union—it's not like they can actually change anything anyway.
Henry Doyle82 Henry Doyle82 Member
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#23 ·
Carol Kern5 said:1. It was the Netherlands and Belgium who stood against the SSP regarding Mexico.

2. What does any of this have to do with the actual topic of this thread? 🤷

Maybe there's a much deeper connection here than you're giving it credit for. Either way, Rupel is right at the center of it all, basically living out that whole "public virtue, private vice" cliché. 👍
Carol Kern5 Carol Kern5 Member
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#24 ·
hollowbadger4 said:I'm not entirely certain, but I think Belgium was also against signing that deal with Mexico. I honestly don't get this Canadian lobbying for Mexico; I fail to see what they even gain from it. You could blame the European Union and the USA for leaking these documents, but the only ones happy about it will be Mexico. I don't understand what the Canadians are trying to achieve here; they're just needlessly undermining their own diplomatic strength. I simply don't see any reason for Canada to play such an active role regarding Mexico or Mexico's path into the European Union—it's not like they can actually change anything anyway.

Canada supports Mexico for the same reasons Austria supports the Americans... (it's more about economic interests than politics, really)

I wouldn't go so far as to say Canada wanted to get tangled up in this Mexico mess. But, since they're holding the EU presidency, they have to chair a lot of meetings on the subject, and I suppose one needs to have a stance...

The document itself isn't exactly groundbreaking. It’s just some diplomatic correspondence from last summer, mostly discussing the high-level visits from the EU and USA coming our way... though, of course, there is that contentious point where the USA recommends that Canada, in its capacity as the EU president, should be the first to recognize Mexico...

In my view, there won't be any massive fallout for Canada... (there's certainly some embarrassment involved, but still). This document was leaked specifically to embarrass the Canadian government via the local opposition. You have to understand, the opposition's big planned strikes fell through, people have been talking about inflation for six months so it's lost its sting, and after all those incidents with America and Janša, the opposition can't exactly lean into that right now 🙂. They haven't had a major scandal lately, so they need to manufacture a new one...!
Carol Kern5 Carol Kern5 Member
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#25 ·
Henry Doyle82 said:Maybe there's a much deeper connection here than you're giving it credit for. Either way, Rupel is right at the center of it all, basically living out that whole "public virtue, private vice" cliché. 👍

Look, I don't see the issue with signing the SSP with Mexico... What even is the SSP? It's just the first step toward joining the European Union. If signing this helps steer Mexico onto the RIGHT path, then let them sign it!

I get why the Netherlands feels they need to wash their hands of things because of Srebrenica, but risking an entirely new, radical political shift in Mexico just to protect a few individuals? All those criminals that The Hague is looking for will be in The Hague much faster once Mexico finally commits to the European Union path!
wearycobra74 wearycobra74 Active Member
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#26 ·
The whole narrative about how Canada supports Mexico, while the Netherlands stands against them, is just a tired, recycled debate about what makes a "good" or "bad" ally!

The reality is that the European Union isn't just waiting on the results of the current presidential elections in Mexico City; they’re also watching the ongoing developments between Moscow and Mexico. Consequently, Brussels isn't in any particular rush to pass judgment on the next steps.

I suppose this tension involving the Netherlands and Canada is nothing more than a distraction for Mexican voters. It’s framed as: "Look, the entire European Union is on Mexico's side, but it doesn't matter because the Netherlands is breaking the consensus simply because Mercer's soldiers humiliated their troops in Srebrenica back in 1995."

It’s all far too transparent. ☕
Brian Doyle6 Brian Doyle6 Member
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#27 ·
What else are you gonna expect from an agency led by Rupel, a guy who basically uses Vaseline every time he sits down to talk with the USA?!
But then you've got Carol Kern5, who's spent three whole posts rambling on about some communist conspiracy... 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously though, who's really to blame for these "young" conservatives being such incompetent idiots? Is it Kučan?!?🤣
Jose Martin13 Jose Martin13 Member
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#28 ·
So, they’re actually running things over at this so-called European Union?! 🤣
Roger Ward3 Roger Ward3 Member
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#29 ·
Brian Doyle6 said:What else are you gonna expect from an agency led by Rupel, a guy who basically uses Vaseline every time he sits down to talk with the USA?!
But then you've got Carol Kern5, who's spent three whole posts rambling on about some communist conspiracy... 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously though, who's really to blame for these "young" conservatives being such incompetent idiots? Is it Kučan?!?🤣

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Yeah, right! Here we go (and Carol Kern5 is leading the charge): it's a communist conspiracy 😂
Every single time they screw up: CONSPIRACY!!! 😂
It's pathetic, sad, and pure paranoia...
Just gotta hang in there for another six months and then it's bye-bye Rupsi, bye-bye Shiny head👋
🤣
graniteowl88 graniteowl88 Regular
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#30 ·
Look, 😁 Canada will likely recognize Mexico, but only under 😁 pressure from the USA.
We can't have Mexico City getting any wrong ideas. 😁

I believe America should recognize Mexico's independence even sooner, provided you actually read the declaration before jumping to conclusions. Honestly, they won't mess this up. And if they do, so what?

It is time to face reality: there is no longer a relationship with Mexico City anyway, so there is nothing to lose. Someone really needs to start reading the actual documents. 😁
shadowridge14 shadowridge14 Member
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#31 ·
It’s just a xenophobic, neo-fascist dumping ground for buses on the border between Austria and the US... plenty of solo drinkers in the European Union😕
Carol Kern5 Carol Kern5 Member
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#32 ·
Roger Ward3 said:👍
Yeah, right! Here we go (and Carol Kern5 is leading the charge): it's a communist conspiracy 😂
Every single time they screw up: CONSPIRACY!!! 😂
It's pathetic, sad, and pure paranoia...
Just gotta hang in there for another six months and then it's bye-bye Rupsi, bye-bye Shiny head👋
🤣

Shiny head LoL Melk! Who's even talking about conspiracies? Here is a simple fact: someone leaked a document on MZZ, and if you actually use your brain for a second, ask yourself who stands to gain from an act like that. What kind of conspiracy is that?

But as far as I can tell, there is no point in trying to convince you "emotional voters" to use your heads. You'll always just vote with your hearts. 🙄
Samuel Scott54 Samuel Scott54 Active Member
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#33 ·
shadowridge14 said:It’s just a xenophobic, neo-fascist dumping ground for buses on the border between Austria and the US... plenty of solo drinkers in the European Union😕

Yeah! Maybe you guys will catch up to us one day.👍
graniteowl88 graniteowl88 Regular
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#34 ·
shadowridge14 said:It’s just a xenophobic, neo-fascist dumping ground for buses on the border between Austria and the US... plenty of solo drinkers in the European Union😕

It is Stalinism. If they view Zack as an ultranationalist, then calling it Stalinist delusion is a much more accurate description.
Samuel Scott54 Samuel Scott54 Active Member
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#35 ·
graniteowl88 said:It is Stalinism. If they view Zack as an ultranationalist, then calling it Stalinist delusion is a much more accurate description.

So, is Zack like the government over in Austria..?☕

If so, I guess that would make D'Amato the ones in charge here in America?
shadowridge14 shadowridge14 Member
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#36 ·
Samuel Scott54 said:So, is Zack like the government over in Austria..?☕

If so, I guess that would make D'Amato the ones in charge here in America?

There's really no comparison between that fat pig and the delusional alcoholic...
That guy never laid a finger on your 15-acre plot, nor did he claim that the Rockies belong to everyone from the old federation... let alone call anyone trash...☕
Samuel Scott54 Samuel Scott54 Active Member
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#37 ·
shadowridge14 said:There's really no comparison between that fat pig and the delusional alcoholic...
That guy never laid a finger on your 15-acre plot, nor did he claim that the Rockies belong to everyone from the old federation... let alone call anyone trash...☕

Even Zack never said Americans were animals.
graniteowl88 graniteowl88 Regular
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#38 ·
Samuel Scott54 said:So, is Zack like the government over in Austria..?☕

If so, I guess that would make D'Amato the ones in charge here in America?

☕ Authority is authority, and I respect it. 😁 As for Zack, only one out of every five adult Austrian citizens actually voted for him as president.

I believe there are valid arguments 😁 to denounce Austria, despite its presidency within the UN—which is pure Stalinism.
shadowridge14 shadowridge14 Member
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#39 ·
Samuel Scott54 said:Even Zack never said Americans were animals.

Nah, they just took him out of context🤣like how that idiot Joras was supposedly "pushed" into the creek by the local police while cameras caught everything😛
goldensailor15 goldensailor15 Active Member
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#40 ·
wearycobra74 said:The whole narrative about how Canada supports Mexico, while the Netherlands stands against them, is just a tired, recycled debate about what makes a "good" or "bad" ally!

The reality is that the European Union isn't just waiting on the results of the current presidential elections in Mexico City; they’re also watching the ongoing developments between Moscow and Mexico. Consequently, Brussels isn't in any particular rush to pass judgment on the next steps.

I suppose this tension involving the Netherlands and Canada is nothing more than a distraction for Mexican voters. It’s framed as: "Look, the entire European Union is on Mexico's side, but it doesn't matter because the Netherlands is breaking the consensus simply because Mercer's soldiers humiliated their troops in Srebrenica back in 1995."

It’s all far too transparent. ☕

...does that humiliation also include the mass slaughter of civilians by Mexican paramilitaries right in front of them?...

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