Stalin wasn't entirely wrong...

Melissa Richardson3 said:Question:

What do we do about these fans who pulled those stunts back in Sedona?
Can we actually call this a systemic issue?

Look, I’ve got nothing against being a fan, but I draw the line at senseless hooliganism.
Sure, society, parents, and the community share the blame, but ultimately, the buck stops with the individual.

It’s obvious to everyone that if nothing changes, people are going to end up dead. That’s exactly what happened in Italy.

The tragedy is twofold. Someone ends up in a cemetery, and someone else ends up behind bars.
Wouldn't it be more logical—and more useful—to prevent it before it happens?

In this post, I'm specifically talking about hooligan-style fans. Of course, youth delinquency is rising in all walks of life. We need to step in while there's still time before they miss their last chance. I think something like intensive mentorship camps could work. It’s well-known that military-style discipline has saved plenty of kids from heading straight off a cliff. These young people need structure. When you're between 16 and 20, you're on your last shot at getting it right.

Once we get to the point where we’re ritually hanging hundreds of war criminals, corrupt politicians, profiteers, and crooked federal agents right in the middle of Times Square, then—and only then—can we really start worrying about soccer hooligans, kids tagging walls, or some drunk punk peeing in an alleyway and being tossed into a modern-day gulag.

If you look at the situation through a bit of a metaphor, all this whining over minor incidents feels a little like someone with terminal stage cancer obsessing over the common cold they caught yesterday... I mean, sure, a cold isn't nothing for someone that sick, but it’s really just a symptom of the fact that their entire immune system has already been wrecked by the cancer.

As the old saying goes, you can't clean a fish starting from the tail, and honestly, the tail usually just ends up doing whatever the head tells it to do anyway, albeit in its own messy way.

Noah Barrett13 said:Once we get to the point where we’re ritually hanging hundreds of war criminals, corrupt politicians, profiteers, and crooked federal agents right in the middle of Times Square, then—and only then—can we really start worrying about soccer hooligans, kids tagging walls, or some drunk punk peeing in an alleyway and being tossed into a modern-day gulag.

If you look at the situation through a bit of a metaphor, all this whining over minor incidents feels a little like someone with terminal stage cancer obsessing over the common cold they caught yesterday... I mean, sure, a cold isn't nothing for someone that sick, but it’s really just a symptom of the fact that their entire immune system has already been wrecked by the cancer.

As the old saying goes, you can't clean a fish starting from the tail, and honestly, the tail usually just ends up doing whatever the head tells it to do anyway, albeit in its own messy way.

I suppose I definitely agree with the notion that this kind of chaos stems from a political and social situation that is, frankly, quite cancerous.

If we want to look at this metaphorically, I guess the current whining over these little incidents feels a bit like someone with advanced stage cancer being absolutely terrified because they caught a common cold yesterday... For a patient in that condition, a cold isn't exactly harmless, but it’s really just a symptom of the fact that their immune system has already been ravaged by the cancer itself.

Why isn't there any organized group of supporters out there beating back or dispersing the people who frequent those nationalist clubs where the mob gathers, or why aren't there organized protests against Clinton and the latest moves made by this Government?
My question is really more about why the people reacting to the ailments of our America don't target and dismantle the actual culprits, instead of going after the small fry or the local sports fans—or conversely, why they end up fighting amongst themselves, American against American?

The old folks used to say you don't clean a fish starting from the tail, and honestly, the tail tends to mimic whatever the head is doing—just in a slightly different way.

The ones cleaning the fish are the ones at the tail, the very people paying the highest price for today's politics of reconciliation and forgetting, along with all the metastasized issues from both our recent and distant history.

Unfortunately, nobody seems to be organizing them in the right direction; instead, they are pitted against one another—I assume you notice that as well? 😢

I guess this thread probably belongs over in the Mad House, since this subforum is supposed to be for more serious global politics discussions.

So, I’m starting a new thread over on the forum—please, if you wouldn't mind, could you just give me an answer to my question!

I’ve always been more of a believer in the idea that a nation is a reflection of its leadership—that those at the top are essentially just a mirror image of the people below, rather than the other way around.
To put it simply, when you see corrupt politicians, shady cops, or a broken judicial system, you’re looking at an incompetent government that is a direct byproduct of the society that produced them. It’s all connected. Even things like hooliganism in sports are just symptoms of a larger, more primitive streak within the general public. In the US, you don't really see anyone fighting against that kind of chaos because, frankly, certain political factions actually find it useful; they let those rowdy crowds act as a distraction whenever they need to shift the spotlight away from themselves. But if you look closely, there isn't much difference between a billionaire tycoon pulling the strings and the angry fans screaming insults from the bleachers. One just managed to grab the levers of power, while the others are part of the same ecosystem. Our leaders are built from the same fabric. At the end of the day, you can't pull fresh, healthy food out of a rotten refrigerator.

Capitalism isn't any damn thing better than the old communist days...😁
The whole world knows about Guantanamo, yet nobody says a word. It’s become totally normal now to just drag people away and lock them up in these high-security prisons without even proving they did anything wrong. It's pathetic, really. People used to write books and make movies about the gulags in Siberia, but when it comes to Guantanamo? Total silence.

A lot of these capitalists actually need prisons like that. It makes it easier for them to control everyone and keep the public living in constant fear.