Are wars actually as pointless as they seem?

casualowl1 said:Nah, you've got it wrong. I'm well aware of both sides. Tell me something I haven't heard or known before, and then maybe I'll change my mind about certain things. We just have different opinions—plain and simple. That's totally fine by me. It doesn't mean one is better or worse than the other. It's just different.

The core issue here is that you’re focusing entirely on the fallout of these wars and siding with the idea that
"the end justifies the means," without ever grasping the actual motivations of the people pulling the strings... I'm
discussing this through the lens of those specific objectives, and from where I stand, the consequences are the exact opposite of what
you claim to see... if you look at these films, they essentially distill all the
major themes found in history books, just presented through a different medium
that suggests most people are living under a massive delusion...

http://www.forum.com/showthread.php?t=297287

Here’s how I see this whole thing playing out. The world is basically gravitating toward a massive unification where every single nation finally stands on level ground—same rights, same opportunities, the whole nine yards. Back during the Cold War, you had these two massive blocs throwing everything they had at each other just to gain an edge or crush the opposition. In the end, it was just smart, decent people stepping up to prevent a full-blown nuclear apocalypse, mostly because everyone was terrified of being forced to live under the standards of their sworn enemies.
The truth is, the world is just waiting for one final, catastrophic global war... a conflict so brutal and filled with such absolute misery that humanity will have no choice left but to unite just to survive. I honestly think that’s the only way we’ll ever actually move past all our petty divisions—nationalism, language barriers, religion, skin color, whatever.
Because when everyone is suffering through the exact same nightmare, there won't be any room for anything else. Nobody is going to be able to look away from the chaos.
That war could break out in 10, 20, 30, or even 100 years, but make no mistake—it is coming.

casualowl1 said:

I can't believe I haven't seen anyone mention this yet! It feels like such a huge topic that everyone is just glossing over. Seriously, we need to dive into this right now! kaže:
People always act like there isn't enough to go around, but honestly? That’s just a total myth. It’s not a scarcity problem—it’s just a massive redistribution problem.
No tribe, no family, no nation has ever had... Everything! Think about what people actually need just to stay alive. That’s exactly why bartering started in the first place, which eventually evolved into actual trade. Everything would have been smooth sailing if we didn't have those greedy individuals popping up out of nowhere—the ones who start hoarding goods and supplies just to line their own pockets! They aren't trying to survive; they're just looking to get rich by forcing everyone else into...

Look, we’ve got plenty today, but there was a time when things were tight. Imagine a fertile patch of land that could easily feed 100 people, but instead, you've got 150 mouths to feed. Now throw in two different tribes facing that same problem, and suddenly, war isn't just possible—it's inevitable. That kind of struggle is exactly where conflict comes from. It’s not about some grand scheme to get rich; it’s pure survival. One group had the grain, the other had the cattle, but everyone wanted both the bread and the meat. That’s the root of it all. That's where the friction starts.

I can't believe I'm even saying this, but I am totally stoked about how things are shaping up! Honestly, everything feels like it's finally clicking into place. It’s such a vibe right now! 🙌✨ kaže:
Look, there's no denying that technology has absolutely skyrocketed lately. But let's be real—wars didn't drive that progress. That wasn't the catalyst. It’s just been the natural evolution of things, fueled by the steady climb of human knowledge!
Honestly, we could totally flip the script on this one and assume that technological progress would have been even more insane if we hadn't been constantly dealing with wars!

I gotta disagree with you there. Honestly, war was the real engine behind all that. Without it, progress would’ve been way slower—that's just an undeniable fact.
Honestly, making assumptions is just asking for trouble! It’s basically the mother of all screw-ups.

I can't believe we're actually talking about this! It’s such an interesting topic to dive into. What do you guys think? kaže:
Einstein was one hell of a genius. That little anecdote really just drives home the point of where wars actually lead us.
If world leaders actually realized how completely unnecessary war is, we wouldn't be seeing it happen constantly. It doesn't even matter if the conflicts are just local disputes; there’s absolutely no guarantee they won't spiral into a massive global catastrophe. Honestly, once these power-hungry lunatics start chasing their own megalomaniacal agendas, you can't exactly stop them with "rational thinking" about the consequences. It's like that power they hold gives them this delusional sense of being invincible and immortal...

The absolute best way to guarantee things don't go totally south is that famous "balance of power" we always hear about!
The US can basically do whatever they want in the Middle East. As long as they don't start poking the bear or messing with China's or Russia's spheres of influence, they've got plenty of room to move.

When you look at a local conflict—like this whole oil war we’re seeing today—it’s pretty obvious that only a handful of people actually strike it rich while everyone else just deals with the fallout. In this day and age, the entire world ends up paying the price just because of fluctuating oil prices, yet Americans are still out here cruising around in prehistoric gas guzzlers that burn through fuel like crazy! 62 miles And they’re basically doing it for free!

And what exactly did I write? ☕

casualowl1 said:

I can't believe I haven't seen anyone mention this yet! It feels like such a huge topic that everyone is just glossing over. Seriously, we need to dive into this right now! kaže:
People always act like there isn't enough to go around, but honestly? That’s just a total myth. It’s not a scarcity problem—it’s just a massive redistribution problem.
No tribe, no family, no nation has ever had... Everything! Think about what people actually need just to stay alive. That’s exactly why bartering started in the first place, which eventually evolved into actual trade. Everything would have been smooth sailing if we didn't have those greedy individuals popping up out of nowhere—the ones who start hoarding goods and supplies just to line their own pockets! They aren't trying to survive; they're just looking to get rich by forcing everyone else into...

Look, we’ve got plenty today, but there was a time when things were tight. Imagine a fertile patch of land that could easily feed 100 people, but instead, you've got 150 mouths to feed. Now throw in two different tribes facing that same problem, and suddenly, war isn't just possible—it's inevitable. That kind of struggle is exactly where conflict comes from. It’s not about some grand scheme to get rich; it’s pure survival. One group had the grain, the other had the cattle, but everyone wanted both the bread and the meat. That’s the root of it all. That's where the friction starts.

I can't believe I'm even saying this, but I am totally stoked about how things are shaping up! Honestly, everything feels like it's finally clicking into place. It’s such a vibe right now! 🙌✨ kaže:
Look, there's no denying that technology has absolutely skyrocketed lately. But let's be real—wars didn't drive that progress. That wasn't the catalyst. It’s just been the natural evolution of things, fueled by the steady climb of human knowledge!
Honestly, we could totally flip the script on this one and assume that technological progress would have been even more insane if we hadn't been constantly dealing with wars!

I gotta disagree with you there. Honestly, war was the real engine behind all that. Without it, progress would’ve been way slower—that's just an undeniable fact.
Honestly, making assumptions is just asking for trouble! It’s basically the mother of all screw-ups.

I can't believe we're actually talking about this! It’s such an interesting topic to dive into. What do you guys think? kaže:
Einstein was one hell of a genius. That little anecdote really just drives home the point of where wars actually lead us.
If world leaders actually realized how completely unnecessary war is, we wouldn't be seeing it happen constantly. It doesn't even matter if the conflicts are just local disputes; there’s absolutely no guarantee they won't spiral into a massive global catastrophe. Honestly, once these power-hungry lunatics start chasing their own megalomaniacal agendas, you can't exactly stop them with "rational thinking" about the consequences. It's like that power they hold gives them this delusional sense of being invincible and immortal...

The absolute best way to guarantee things don't go totally south is that famous "balance of power" we always hear about!
The US can basically do whatever they want in the Middle East. As long as they don't start poking the bear or messing with China's or Russia's spheres of influence, they've got plenty of room to move.

When you look at a local conflict—like this whole oil war we’re seeing today—it’s pretty obvious that only a handful of people actually strike it rich while everyone else just deals with the fallout. In this day and age, the entire world ends up paying the price just because of fluctuating oil prices, yet Americans are still out here cruising around in prehistoric gas guzzlers that burn through fuel like crazy! 62 miles And they’re basically doing it for free!

There’s something else that plays that kind of role...☕

casualowl1 said:

I can't believe I haven't seen anyone mention this yet! It feels like such a huge topic that everyone is just glossing over. Seriously, we need to dive into this right now! kaže:
People always act like there isn't enough to go around, but honestly? That’s just a total myth. It’s not a scarcity problem—it’s just a massive redistribution problem.
No tribe, no family, no nation has ever had... Everything! Think about what people actually need just to stay alive. That’s exactly why bartering started in the first place, which eventually evolved into actual trade. Everything would have been smooth sailing if we didn't have those greedy individuals popping up out of nowhere—the ones who start hoarding goods and supplies just to line their own pockets! They aren't trying to survive; they're just looking to get rich by forcing everyone else into...

Look, we’ve got plenty today, but there was a time when things were tight. Imagine a fertile patch of land that could easily feed 100 people, but instead, you've got 150 mouths to feed. Now throw in two different tribes facing that same problem, and suddenly, war isn't just possible—it's inevitable. That kind of struggle is exactly where conflict comes from. It’s not about some grand scheme to get rich; it’s pure survival. One group had the grain, the other had the cattle, but everyone wanted both the bread and the meat. That’s the root of it all. That's where the friction starts.

I can't believe I'm even saying this, but I am totally stoked about how things are shaping up! Honestly, everything feels like it's finally clicking into place. It’s such a vibe right now! 🙌✨ kaže:
Look, there's no denying that technology has absolutely skyrocketed lately. But let's be real—wars didn't drive that progress. That wasn't the catalyst. It’s just been the natural evolution of things, fueled by the steady climb of human knowledge!
Honestly, we could totally flip the script on this one and assume that technological progress would have been even more insane if we hadn't been constantly dealing with wars!

I gotta disagree with you there. Honestly, war was the real engine behind all that. Without it, progress would’ve been way slower—that's just an undeniable fact.
Honestly, making assumptions is just asking for trouble! It’s basically the mother of all screw-ups.

I can't believe we're actually talking about this! It’s such an interesting topic to dive into. What do you guys think? kaže:
Einstein was one hell of a genius. That little anecdote really just drives home the point of where wars actually lead us.
If world leaders actually realized how completely unnecessary war is, we wouldn't be seeing it happen constantly. It doesn't even matter if the conflicts are just local disputes; there’s absolutely no guarantee they won't spiral into a massive global catastrophe. Honestly, once these power-hungry lunatics start chasing their own megalomaniacal agendas, you can't exactly stop them with "rational thinking" about the consequences. It's like that power they hold gives them this delusional sense of being invincible and immortal...

The absolute best way to guarantee things don't go totally south is that famous "balance of power" we always hear about!
The US can basically do whatever they want in the Middle East. As long as they don't start poking the bear or messing with China's or Russia's spheres of influence, they've got plenty of room to move.

When you look at a local conflict—like this whole oil war we’re seeing today—it’s pretty obvious that only a handful of people actually strike it rich while everyone else just deals with the fallout. In this day and age, the entire world ends up paying the price just because of fluctuating oil prices, yet Americans are still out here cruising around in prehistoric gas guzzlers that burn through fuel like crazy! 62 miles And they’re basically doing it for free!

There is no such thing as a "balance of power," if it ever truly existed to begin with. There aren't any guarantees, and there isn't anyone left who can actually provide them.
And what do you honestly think constitutes the interest zones for Russia and China? Just wait and see when the Chinese person starts reaching for the oil while America sits perched on those massive reserves! It'll be a total blowout, enough fireworks to be seen from the other side of the universe!

casualowl1 said:

I can't believe I haven't seen anyone mention this yet! It feels like such a huge topic that everyone is just glossing over. Seriously, we need to dive into this right now! kaže:
People always act like there isn't enough to go around, but honestly? That’s just a total myth. It’s not a scarcity problem—it’s just a massive redistribution problem.
No tribe, no family, no nation has ever had... Everything! Think about what people actually need just to stay alive. That’s exactly why bartering started in the first place, which eventually evolved into actual trade. Everything would have been smooth sailing if we didn't have those greedy individuals popping up out of nowhere—the ones who start hoarding goods and supplies just to line their own pockets! They aren't trying to survive; they're just looking to get rich by forcing everyone else into...

Look, we’ve got plenty today, but there was a time when things were tight. Imagine a fertile patch of land that could easily feed 100 people, but instead, you've got 150 mouths to feed. Now throw in two different tribes facing that same problem, and suddenly, war isn't just possible—it's inevitable. That kind of struggle is exactly where conflict comes from. It’s not about some grand scheme to get rich; it’s pure survival. One group had the grain, the other had the cattle, but everyone wanted both the bread and the meat. That’s the root of it all. That's where the friction starts.

I can't believe I'm even saying this, but I am totally stoked about how things are shaping up! Honestly, everything feels like it's finally clicking into place. It’s such a vibe right now! 🙌✨ kaže:
Look, there's no denying that technology has absolutely skyrocketed lately. But let's be real—wars didn't drive that progress. That wasn't the catalyst. It’s just been the natural evolution of things, fueled by the steady climb of human knowledge!
Honestly, we could totally flip the script on this one and assume that technological progress would have been even more insane if we hadn't been constantly dealing with wars!

I gotta disagree with you there. Honestly, war was the real engine behind all that. Without it, progress would’ve been way slower—that's just an undeniable fact.
Honestly, making assumptions is just asking for trouble! It’s basically the mother of all screw-ups.

I can't believe we're actually talking about this! It’s such an interesting topic to dive into. What do you guys think? kaže:
Einstein was one hell of a genius. That little anecdote really just drives home the point of where wars actually lead us.
If world leaders actually realized how completely unnecessary war is, we wouldn't be seeing it happen constantly. It doesn't even matter if the conflicts are just local disputes; there’s absolutely no guarantee they won't spiral into a massive global catastrophe. Honestly, once these power-hungry lunatics start chasing their own megalomaniacal agendas, you can't exactly stop them with "rational thinking" about the consequences. It's like that power they hold gives them this delusional sense of being invincible and immortal...

The absolute best way to guarantee things don't go totally south is that famous "balance of power" we always hear about!
The US can basically do whatever they want in the Middle East. As long as they don't start poking the bear or messing with China's or Russia's spheres of influence, they've got plenty of room to move.

When you look at a local conflict—like this whole oil war we’re seeing today—it’s pretty obvious that only a handful of people actually strike it rich while everyone else just deals with the fallout. In this day and age, the entire world ends up paying the price just because of fluctuating oil prices, yet Americans are still out here cruising around in prehistoric gas guzzlers that burn through fuel like crazy! 62 miles And they’re basically doing it for free!

An oil war is a global war, regardless of whether it's being fought on "local grounds" or under different names and excuses, and it's always the same story where certain individuals walk away with the profits while the rest of us suffer the consequences.

sorry to crash this super deep and brilliant discussion, but I gotta know... who are the actual people making bank off all this? thanks!

Linda Hughes88 said:sorry to crash this super deep and brilliant discussion, but I gotta know... who are the actual people making bank off all this? thanks!

Well, look, if you believe the idea that global events are being steered by some shadowy cabal of maybe three hundred people... or even fewer, as some suggest... then we can definitely call those folks "individuals" who are profiting, especially when you consider there are 8 billion people out there on this planet...

rustymaker5 said:Well, look, if you believe the idea that global events are being steered by some shadowy cabal of maybe three hundred people... or even fewer, as some suggest... then we can definitely call those folks "individuals" who are profiting, especially when you consider there are 8 billion people out there on this planet...

yeah, the Committee of 300.☕

dark stuff!!🙏🙏🙏

Quincy:

Joe Biden The user states... Ah, the Committee of 300...☕ A truly grim subject...🙏🙏🙏

You’ve already posted a link to a movie on this very same page twice before... one that you might actually find worth watching...
If you really want to understand who those people in power actually are... you should probably start by questioning if everything you're being told is even remotely close to the truth...
Everything the film claims might be true, but I’d suggest looking at it more as two people simply finding one another...
When you take a long, sweeping look at the trajectory of human history over the last few millennia... it really puts everything in perspective...
The more perspectives you gather, the easier it becomes to stumble upon the truth... An illusion is something you can never truly grasp...
While you're still immersed in it, she only truly finds herself by shifting her perspective... by looking at things through a different lens...
It’s about seeing the illusion from a perspective that exists entirely outside of it... and for heaven's sake, stop making a fool of yourself by mocking those who...
They have already been at this point before, because people like that find it far too easy to watch you struggle against an illusion...
It’s really just a matter of which path you choose... whether you decide to stay trapped within the confines of your own perception and let life mock you for it, or if you finally find the courage to truly understand the reality of things and step out into the light...

Knowledge isn't some fixed destination you eventually reach... even when you feel certain you're finally heading in the right direction...
There is no longer any progress to be made, assuming that such narrow knowledge is finally considered the standard... you are only doing damage to yourself in the end...
And then it extends to everyone else, especially those who insist on treating you like some kind of absolute authority on the subject...

Anthony Rivera17 said:To label something a conspiracy theory, you have to be absolutely certain that you actually KNOW the truth—otherwise, you're just talking nonsense.
He leaves absolutely zero room for anyone to disagree with him... honestly, people like that always end up getting humbled eventually.
They’re asking...How on earth is this even possible?And in quite a few instances, they end up checked into a psychiatric ward... if they don't lose their minds entirely before then.
If you don't lose, you usually don't learn the lesson—and then you just keep insisting that something is impossible when it clearly isn't.

Look, that’s not what this thread is about. I didn't start this discussion to sit here and listen to people whine about war profiteers; the whole point was to explore the connection between nature and conflict.

swiftdriver11 said:Look, that’s not what this thread is about. I didn't start this discussion to sit here and listen to people whine about war profiteers; the whole point was to explore the connection between nature and conflict.

You can't truly grasp the consequences without fully understanding the catalyst... look,
there is no conflict that makes sense unless you dig into the psyches of those who
ignited it... there is always some underlying narrative, whether it's driven by capital,
ideological friction, or simple dominance... profit is an eternal constant, and one must
search for the true "purpose" behind these wars, even when the stated reason for fighting
seems perfectly obvious...

Anthony Rivera17 said:You can't truly grasp the consequences without fully understanding the catalyst... look,
there is no conflict that makes sense unless you dig into the psyches of those who
ignited it... there is always some underlying narrative, whether it's driven by capital,
ideological friction, or simple dominance... profit is an eternal constant, and one must
search for the true "purpose" behind these wars, even when the stated reason for fighting
seems perfectly obvious...

I get that, but I'm trying to figure out if there's some grander, singular reason sitting above all those petty motivations.
Something natural, or perhaps divine... I don't know. 🤷

I don't have much else to add at this point, since I’ve already made my case that war isn't some inherent part of the human condition, nor does nature trigger it, and it certainly doesn't serve any natural purpose... And bringing Bo into this? That's just not an option for me. 🙄
Looking for some grand, ultimate cause—some "cause of all causes"—is really just a way for people to turn a blind eye and shift the blame onto someone or something else...
It’s just humans, specifically those small-minded, malicious individuals driven by nothing but their own selfish, purely materialistic desires, who are the sole reason we fight. 🙂

At the end of the day, wars are completely unnecessary for us, but until humanity actually wraps its head around that, a lot of time is going to pass and a whole lot of water will flow under the Arlington Memorial Bridge...

rustymaker5 said:I don't have much else to add at this point, since I’ve already made my case that war isn't some inherent part of the human condition, nor does nature trigger it, and it certainly doesn't serve any natural purpose... And bringing Bo into this? That's just not an option for me. 🙄
Looking for some grand, ultimate cause—some "cause of all causes"—is really just a way for people to turn a blind eye and shift the blame onto someone or something else...
It’s just humans, specifically those small-minded, malicious individuals driven by nothing but their own selfish, purely materialistic desires, who are the sole reason we fight. 🙂

At the end of the day, wars are completely unnecessary for us, but until humanity actually wraps its head around that, a lot of time is going to pass and a whole lot of water will flow under the Arlington Memorial Bridge...

Unshakeable optimist.
You don't really think the Mississippi will flow that long, do you?🤣

🙂🙂🙂

swiftdriver11 said:I get that, but I'm trying to figure out if there's some grander, singular reason sitting above all those petty motivations.
Something natural, or perhaps divine... I don't know. 🤷

The "freedom" of choice, provided we stay within those narrow little boundaries where we're allowed to act "freely"...?

swiftdriver11 said:I get that, but I'm trying to figure out if there's some grander, singular reason sitting above all those petty motivations.
Something natural, or perhaps divine... I don't know. 🤷

It exists; it’s the concept of necessity.

Necessity, or perhaps the mere illusion that certain things are indispensable to us. At the peak of this hierarchy sits survival—the absolute essentials without which we simply cease to be: water, food, oxygen. Once those are secured, you have a cascading list of secondary "necessities," things like clothing, shelter, personal space, security, control, oil, companionship, progress, and so on.

Flowing directly from that primary driver are two sub-causes that act as derivatives of need: scarcity and separation.

Scarcity is the perception that there isn't enough of what we require; not enough of those things we deem vital.

Separation is the notion that we are distinct entities, fractured into "us" versus "them." When you pair scarcity with separation, you get the mindset of "there isn't enough for everyone." Combine that with pure necessity, and you arrive at "there isn't enough of what we absolutely need to survive." Furthermore, separation provides the psychological loophole that allows us to grab what we want by stepping on others; we can toss them under the bus without feeling like we're hitting ourselves, because we've convinced ourselves that they are separate from us, rather than being part of the same whole.

Nancy Chase2 said:It exists; it’s the concept of necessity.

Necessity, or perhaps the mere illusion that certain things are indispensable to us. At the peak of this hierarchy sits survival—the absolute essentials without which we simply cease to be: water, food, oxygen. Once those are secured, you have a cascading list of secondary "necessities," things like clothing, shelter, personal space, security, control, oil, companionship, progress, and so on.

Flowing directly from that primary driver are two sub-causes that act as derivatives of need: scarcity and separation.

Scarcity is the perception that there isn't enough of what we require; not enough of those things we deem vital.

Separation is the notion that we are distinct entities, fractured into "us" versus "them." When you pair scarcity with separation, you get the mindset of "there isn't enough for everyone." Combine that with pure necessity, and you arrive at "there isn't enough of what we absolutely need to survive." Furthermore, separation provides the psychological loophole that allows us to grab what we want by stepping on others; we can toss them under the bus without feeling like we're hitting ourselves, because we've convinced ourselves that they are separate from us, rather than being part of the same whole.

While some of what you mentioned are actual needs, things like oil and technological progress feel more like imposed requirements. Oil, for instance, is an imposition by massive energy conglomerates like ExxonMobil; they’ve basically engineered a global dependency to ensure their own profits, making it part of our very fabric—from fuel and heating to plastics and medicine...

As for progress, that's a deep philosophical question. I guess the world could function at a different level of development if everything were managed on a local, community scale. In that scenario, energy, food, and basic welfare would be produced right where they are used.

There would likely be far less theft and violence, too. But the issue remains the imposition of values by corporate overlords; the world essentially functions as one giant corporation. These companies have seized almost everything, including the ability for individuals to produce their own food or power.

Wars might be necessary, but perhaps not for us, but rather for the global corporate machine which can't sustain itself—let alone expand—without them.

Yeah, look, wars actually started with corporations. Before all that, there weren't even real wars—you know, those massive Greco-Persian conflicts, the Crusades, the Thirty Years' War, or even the Hundred Years' War... those were all just corporate fabrications.
oil is obviously just a manufactured necessity because, honestly, what kid is gonna choose driving a car, taking a train, or flying in a plane when you could just use carriages and horses? It's the exact same thing, really... we shouldn't be using combines or tractors or any of that heavy machinery instead of just relying on good old Sherrill to pull everything along while dropping some organic fertilizer so we don't have to deal with artificial stuff. 😵

Based on how they phrased it:

David Bennett53 said:While some of what you mentioned are actual needs, things like oil and technological progress feel more like imposed requirements. Oil, for instance, is an imposition by massive energy conglomerates like ExxonMobil; they’ve basically engineered a global dependency to ensure their own profits, making it part of our very fabric—from fuel and heating to plastics and medicine...

As for progress, that's a deep philosophical question. I guess the world could function at a different level of development if everything were managed on a local, community scale. In that scenario, energy, food, and basic welfare would be produced right where they are used.

There would likely be far less theft and violence, too. But the issue remains the imposition of values by corporate overlords; the world essentially functions as one giant corporation. These companies have seized almost everything, including the ability for individuals to produce their own food or power.

Wars might be necessary, but perhaps not for us, but rather for the global corporate machine which can't sustain itself—let alone expand—without them.

...it doesn't follow that they are:

Linda Hughes88 said:Wars started with corporations.

This is just a logical fallacy born from assigning
eternal significance to a statement that really just looks like an attempt to diagnose a specific moment in time and space.

Linda Hughes88 said:maybe try explaining that in plain English......

Elizabeth Ruiz65 said:It’s essentially a logical fallacy—assigning universal weight
to a single statement that lacks any corroborating evidence, effectively attempting to diagnose
an isolated moment in time and space as some sort of absolute truth. .

now try to wrap your head around that, using the example mentioned earlier......

Linda Hughes88 said:Yeah, look, wars actually started with corporations. Before all that, there weren't even real wars—you know, those massive Greco-Persian conflicts, the Crusades, the Thirty Years' War, or even the Hundred Years' War... those were all just corporate fabrications.
oil is obviously just a manufactured necessity because, honestly, what kid is gonna choose driving a car, taking a train, or flying in a plane when you could just use carriages and horses? It's the exact same thing, really... we shouldn't be using combines or tractors or any of that heavy machinery instead of just relying on good old Sherrill to pull everything along while dropping some organic fertilizer so we don't have to deal with artificial stuff. 😵

Back in the day, wars were fought over living space, but today they are fought exclusively for resources needed by corporations to expand. Back then, these massive financial and military powers hadn't even formed yet, so clearly, they couldn't have been corporate!

If this doesn't apply just to modern times, look at the Opium Wars. That happened after the Chinese man tried to ban opium and got in the way of British monetary interests (which is where the roots of corporate thinking actually lie). Those wars crushed the uprising in blood, and in the 19th century, it established the Saasoon family as the rulers of the opium trade in Taiwan, effectively screwing over the Chinese people and establishing the world's first true drug corporation. Later, in 1915, Saasoon married Alan Rothschild (it's pretty obvious how they knew the Saasoons were smuggling opium
🤣) and thus—by some strange coincidence, I guess 🤣—the biggest drug smugglers merged with the greatest financial power in the world.

Over several hundred years of draining billions from China through opium, most of the British nobility and lords earned their titles specifically through the opium trade.

So much for the idea that historical wars "weren't corporate at all.".

As for oil, it's perhaps the dirtiest energy source imaginable. It was conceptualized right when Tesla and Murray were already experimenting intensely with free, clean energy. But that didn't suit the banking interests of the major energy mogul, J. P. Morgan. So, Tesla missed his chance to give the world clean energy, and Murray's lab was destroyed just to ensure the future of oil—meaning the bankers and investors—wasn't called into question.

There's that much regarding how "perfect" an energy source like oil isn't "artificial."

It's not a conspiracy to me; it's just good old dirty economics.

Anthony Rivera17 said:What are you even talking about?
Is it actually possible to start a single thread on this forum without some conspiracy-obsessed individual from some fringe news outlet dragging every topic into their delusions of grandeur...??
Some sort of global conspiratorial system?
Do you even grasp the sheer scale required for something like that to exist...??
You would need hundreds of millions of people involved, and you honestly believe every single one of them is disciplined enough to hold a secret like that...??
Give me a break.

To be more precise, roughly seven billion people are woven into this fabric, and there is no real need to
keep it hidden because it is quite obvious... the reason most people fail to notice is simply because they are part of the
"secret" itself, actively contributing to its realization... for the majority, it is difficult to admit that
something is wrong when what they have been doing—not just recently, but for generations—was also wrong, and they didn't see it because they were part of the machine... those who rule
don't operate within the constraints of a single lifetime or two; they plan with an objective that MUST
be fulfilled regardless of how much time it takes... the only things that shift over time are the specific guidelines within the agenda, depending on the state of
"affairs on the ground" and the availability of the "tools" used to reach the goal...!!!

The fundamental trick that people fall for today is the existence of political and special interest
"rivalries"... it is an illusion, just as real as the illusion of "competition" we see among our
politicians in D.C. or on the news, tearing each other apart one moment only to smile and grab a drink TOGETHER at a cocktail party a moment later... if you think that
Intel and
AMD are truly fighting for dominance in the processor market, then you are a victim of manipulation... if you believe religions "clash" because they are fighting for a percentage
of the population to "hypnotize" with their rhetoric, then you are a victim of manipulation...!!!

When viewed from the perspective of those who REALLY run this planet, there are NO actual
"rivals," the entire narrative exists solely to direct human focus toward trivialities, and that very concept of "rivalry" is the foundation for dividing the populace,
making them far easier to control when they are fractured...
that is the essence of the "secret," the grand conspiracy: keeping people trapped in an illusion and using them as tools for specific interests... I wouldn't go so far as to say that "good old dirty economics" and planetary dominance through capital is the ultimate end goal;
those are merely the means to achieve the objective... in a system where money dictates
influence and power, the logic is simple: whoever holds the most wealth determines the direction
in which the system and everyone living within it moves... to my mind, the true purpose of this "play" is much more sinister
and I draw that conclusion from the inherent conflict between the ruler's need for absolute power and the reality
where human survival on this planet is called into question... there is no sense in being the most powerful and
ruling a mass of seven billion in a way that pushes those seven billion to the brink of extinction
unless that very act of pushing them to the edge is the actual goal of ruling, isn't it...??

Of course, there are many seemingly different causes for wars, ranging from resources and nationalism
to religious affiliation, but these are again nothing more than illusions, often the byproduct of precisely
that illusion people swallowed long ago... even if we assume the foundation for war isn't a product of illusion, it remains that both winners and losers exist within the GRAND
conspiracy, meaning the war itself is insignificant and serves the ultimate goal simply by
fragmenting humanity into smaller groups... in other words, the only true victors are those at the top.

the "food supply chain"...