Local PD

Unfortunately, I’ve been there myself. I reported a SWAT officer who threatened my life, promised me torture and revenge while holding me at gunpoint during his off-duty hours. My report just vanished into thin air—it was never officially logged in any system, despite what some local precinct official claimed. To make matters worse, his colleagues at the station actually told him that I had filed a complaint against him. It felt like he was targeting me specifically, which ended up costing me dearly when I had to move out and sell my house for pennies to a third party just to get away from him. This same guy was actually one of the 18 dealers caught in that recent "Operation KUM" sting operation. His name and birth year were released, and looking back at his history of getting off easy in Dateline NBC over the last decade, I have a bad feeling he'll dodge accountability for this situation too. As
http://feral.mediaturtle.com/look/we...AS1=1&ST_max=1
especially if you look at that last paragraph 😢

Quincy:

3. I am certainly not trying to excuse the fact that the young man died from the impact of a blow to the chin!

He died because his head hit the asphalt...

Quincy:

someone under the influence of alcohol is actually less of a threat than someone who is sober,

But they are significantly more aggressive and disrespectful

Quincy:

when dealing with a fully equipped and trained SWAT officer, right?

He was a traffic cop... There’s really no point in bringing up the SWAT units on the road; the report clearly states he was a highway patrol officer...

This isn't just an issue in Italy... In the Netherlands, you don't see organized crime syndicates running the streets... You don't even see those ten-foot-high fences at stadiums over there... You can practically reach out and touch a player during a throw-in, but nobody dares to touch them because they're looking at five to twelve years in prison. Here in America, we have decent laws; they just need some tightening, and more importantly, we need people who will actually enforce them. The police in the US are poorly equipped, and our forensics department is practically non-existent—it's honestly a disgrace. It's a shame for the citizens.
Still, I suppose things might be heading in a better direction.

Crusader, you clearly didn't study to be a cop or a priest, so you're just talking out of your ass...
New Orleans sees more murders than the entire US. And don't even get me started on those Dutch hooligans—fans might get a chance to touch a player at some small-town high school game, but otherwise, the crowds in Amsterdam and Rotterdam usually greet teams with an explosion.
As for our police force, low pay means we're getting a pretty lousy pool of recruits, not to mention
WHAT KIND OF MINISTER RUNS A DEPARTMENT LIKE THIS?

Edward Gonzalez said:Quincy:

3. I am certainly not trying to excuse the fact that the young man died from the impact of a blow to the chin!

He died because his head hit the asphalt...

Quincy:

someone under the influence of alcohol is actually less of a threat than someone who is sober,

But they are significantly more aggressive and disrespectful

Quincy:

when dealing with a fully equipped and trained SWAT officer, right?

He was a traffic cop... There’s really no point in bringing up the SWAT units on the road; the report clearly states he was a highway patrol officer...

This isn't just an issue in Italy... In the Netherlands, you don't see organized crime syndicates running the streets... You don't even see those ten-foot-high fences at stadiums over there... You can practically reach out and touch a player during a throw-in, but nobody dares to touch them because they're looking at five to twelve years in prison. Here in America, we have decent laws; they just need some tightening, and more importantly, we need people who will actually enforce them. The police in the US are poorly equipped, and our forensics department is practically non-existent—it's honestly a disgrace. It's a shame for the citizens.
Still, I suppose things might be heading in a better direction.

😂😂😂😂
Yeah, you're absolutely right about that
as far as I can tell, we're pretty much the only country in all of Europe dealing with this level of crime 🤣🤣

an intoxicated individual actually poses less of a threat than someone who is stone-cold sober

Well, I suppose that all depends on whether or not they are carrying a weapon, because if you have some drunk person running around with a handgun spraying bullets in every direction, the courts might actually try to pass off their intoxication as a mitigating factor—claiming they weren't in their right mind or whatever—but honestly, give me a break. Our entire judicial system and sentencing guidelines are such an absolute farce that it feels like something straight out of Monty Python; it really isn't any surprise that you see graffiti mocking the American legal system everywhere you look.👎

Nicholas Chavez70 said:

an intoxicated individual actually poses less of a threat than someone who is stone-cold sober

Well, I suppose that all depends on whether or not they are carrying a weapon, because if you have some drunk person running around with a handgun spraying bullets in every direction, the courts might actually try to pass off their intoxication as a mitigating factor—claiming they weren't in their right mind or whatever—but honestly, give me a break. Our entire judicial system and sentencing guidelines are such an absolute farce that it feels like something straight out of Monty Python; it really isn't any surprise that you see graffiti mocking the American legal system everywhere you look.👎

Self-Inflicted Insanity

Section 41.

A perpetrator is not considered legally insane if they voluntarily brought themselves into a state where they couldn't understand the nature of their actions or lost control of their will due to alcohol, drugs, or other substances—provided that at the moment they entered that state, the crime they committed was something they intended to do or showed a reckless disregard for, assuming the law provides for punishment under that specific type of culpability.

fadedgull30 said:Self-Inflicted Insanity

Section 41.

A perpetrator is not considered legally insane if they voluntarily brought themselves into a state where they couldn't understand the nature of their actions or lost control of their will due to alcohol, drugs, or other substances—provided that at the moment they entered that state, the crime they committed was something they intended to do or showed a reckless disregard for, assuming the law provides for punishment under that specific type of culpability.

It’s not even a matter of being a bad person, it’s more like when things just go completely sideways out of nowhere—as the old saying goes, everything just falls apart...🙂 truly tragic, truly tragic...

Nicholas Chavez70 said:It’s not even a matter of being a bad person, it’s more like when things just go completely sideways out of nowhere—as the old saying goes, everything just falls apart...🙂 truly tragic, truly tragic...

So, I guess that pretty much kills your argument about being drunk counting as an excuse to lighten the sentence...

crimsonsailor7 said:So, I guess that pretty much kills your argument about being drunk counting as an excuse to lighten the sentence...

I was exaggerating there, though I suppose that’s how it looks—following some sort of twisted, nonsensical logic where you should probably just get hammered before committing a crime just to lighten your sentence... It's a bit absurd when you really sit down and think about it, isn't it?🙄

Nicholas Chavez70 said:I was exaggerating there, though I suppose that’s how it looks—following some sort of twisted, nonsensical logic where you should probably just get hammered before committing a crime just to lighten your sentence... It's a bit absurd when you really sit down and think about it, isn't it?🙄

Honestly, what kind of insane logic is that?

Your logic, apparently.

Maybe try reading what znatizeljni22 actually wrote one more time, and this time, try doing it with an ounce of comprehension...

urbangull90

I honestly think our police departments are far too soft!
That’s exactly why things are falling apart in this country. They really ought to be granted much broader authority.
And criminals shouldn't be allowed to hide behind their rights. If you aren't fulfilling your obligations, you don't get to claim any privileges!
By that, I mean the fundamental obligation to act as an honest, law-abiding citizen.

I’m reading this and I honestly can’t believe my eyes...

Nothing is ever going to change just because the police get more power and start "cracking down" harder...
They’ll just end up killing some poor kid, while the real monsters stay completely untouchable—probably because they’re all buddies anyway...
Go ahead, show him exactly what you showed us in your avatar, and don't act surprised when he beats the hell out of you... I mean, he's legally allowed to, right?😲

And all this talk about the Netherlands and Italy... please, give me a break. What happened with that cop who killed the Lazio fan back when all of Rome was basically rioting in the streets? He had the right to do that too, didn't he?

Cops—not all of them, obviously—can be total jerks who are just itching to grab some unlucky soul and lash out at them. If the guy dies, it doesn't matter; they can always just write it off as a freak accident involving a sidewalk or something. They're just taking their own issues out on people...

As for the bagging and the punch to the chin...
Wouldn't it be easier and less painful—though maybe less "fun"—to just twist a suspect's arm behind their back and hold it there until they calm down?
But I guess that isn't quite as entertaining. Plus, this guy can't even fall face-first into the pavement...

fadedgull30 said:Self-Inflicted Insanity

Section 41.

A perpetrator is not considered legally insane if they voluntarily brought themselves into a state where they couldn't understand the nature of their actions or lost control of their will due to alcohol, drugs, or other substances—provided that at the moment they entered that state, the crime they committed was something they intended to do or showed a reckless disregard for, assuming the law provides for punishment under that specific type of culpability.

so basically they're considered ACCOUNTABLE

Nicholas Chavez70 said:I was exaggerating there, though I suppose that’s how it looks—following some sort of twisted, nonsensical logic where you should probably just get hammered before committing a crime just to lighten your sentence... It's a bit absurd when you really sit down and think about it, isn't it?🙄

that's the only way you're seeing it...

I honestly cannot wrap my head around how anyone can actually defend our police force... I’m just a sixteen-year-old kid, and the cops absolutely beat the life out of me just because I happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. They didn't even bother asking how old I was before they started swinging. I ended up with a massive concussion and bruises covering every single inch of my body, and my boyfriend? They practically tore his jaw apart, knocked out four of his teeth, and he had to get stitches around his eyes... hello???? Are you kidding me? Does our police department not go way too far with the excessive force?? Like, what kind of twisted reality are you guys living in? We were facing down twenty SWAT officers decked out in gas masks and carrying assault rifles. And get this—not one of those guys weighed less than 260 pounds, while both me and my boyfriend are about 5'9" and barely weigh 110 pounds each. It was absolutely horrific watching them pin him against an electrical outlet and douse him with water, or seeing them just hoist me off the floor and slam me against a wall... those people are seriously unhinged. They all need to be sent straight to a psych ward, and the entire country needs to file a massive civil rights lawsuit against everyone involved—but let's start by suing the police first!!!!!!

Edward Gonzalez said:I was recently watching some footage of a police officer striking a young man—and since I’m not currently in the States, I don't have all the granular details. The kid falls, hits his head on the concrete, and dies, leaving everyone pointing fingers at the officer for overstepping his bounds. Now, I’m not looking to assign blame here; I’m just curious about the narrative being spun. Is it just me, or is nobody mentioning that the kid was intoxicated? Or that he was reportedly speeding down an icy road at 100 mph? No one seems to bring up the fact that he was being verbally abusive, aggressive, and actually initiated the physical confrontation. It makes sense that the officer defended himself. My guess is he went for the jaw—that's where you typically strike to neutralize a threat quickly. He wasn't going to play games; he had to incapacitate him. And let's be honest: the cause of death was the impact with the pavement, not the strike itself.
Look at what happens during those massive protests in cities like Chicago or New York, where special units might get aggressive with protesters. You see kids getting hit with batons or knees to the ribs, yet the headlines immediately scream "police brutality" and "excess of power." If one of those kids ends up on the ground after a pursuit, suddenly the fault lies entirely with the officers for failing to stop them sooner. It seems to be a pattern. At the end of the day, I respect our law enforcement and believe they are doing their jobs under incredibly difficult circumstances.

Around here, those cops are the police, the prosecutors, the judges, and the enforcers all at once.
It's all in one package
and it happens in a heartbeat!

Washington, D.C. vs. New York Yankees: a look at police brutality (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHTcfidr6wk

Washington, D.C. vs. New York Yankees: a look at police brutality (part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULRdA...eature=related

The shooting involving fans over in Fort Worth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispstJhosFU

We really need to talk about how the cops in America treat regular citizens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZftmp7cAHs

and so on...

Check out how the cops use this kid's head to bust open those heavy iron doors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLk7eP-VKf8

Are these officers seriously just sitting on the bus knocking back drinks while they wait for a chance to crack some guy's skull just because he tried to cross the street near the stadium with a beer in his hand?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKJqGHJlcw

A little excessive with the force, don't you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqvXCWjdsCc

etc.

Edward Gonzalez said:I was recently watching some footage of a police officer striking a young man—and since I’m not currently in the States, I don't have all the granular details. The kid falls, hits his head on the concrete, and dies, leaving everyone pointing fingers at the officer for overstepping his bounds. Now, I’m not looking to assign blame here; I’m just curious about the narrative being spun. Is it just me, or is nobody mentioning that the kid was intoxicated? Or that he was reportedly speeding down an icy road at 100 mph? No one seems to bring up the fact that he was being verbally abusive, aggressive, and actually initiated the physical confrontation. It makes sense that the officer defended himself. My guess is he went for the jaw—that's where you typically strike to neutralize a threat quickly. He wasn't going to play games; he had to incapacitate him. And let's be honest: the cause of death was the impact with the pavement, not the strike itself.
Look at what happens during those massive protests in cities like Chicago or New York, where special units might get aggressive with protesters. You see kids getting hit with batons or knees to the ribs, yet the headlines immediately scream "police brutality" and "excess of power." If one of those kids ends up on the ground after a pursuit, suddenly the fault lies entirely with the officers for failing to stop them sooner. It seems to be a pattern. At the end of the day, I respect our law enforcement and believe they are doing their jobs under incredibly difficult circumstances.

First off, the guy who died wasn't even the driver.
Second, nobody would ever blame the cops here, because that's just not how things work in America.

Tell me, do the cops over there dig up sidewalks in broad daylight or anything?

Edward Gonzalez said:Personally, after I finished my time at the seminary, I spent some time out in the Netherlands and ended up filing a report with their local police. They don't mess around. People there are actually intimidated by the cops. I honestly don't get why that officer would go through all that trouble if he hasn't actually done anything wrong.

Wait, do they just start shooting people for no reason in the Netherlands too?
Like, what if you just try to exercise your rights?

I know back in the States, if you start running, they might just open fire with an AR-15...

Edward Gonzalez said:Quincy:

I think the kid is dead. Look, there are plenty of ways an officer can defend themselves without resorting to physical strikes, but it seems like some American officers just don't have those de-escalation tactics down. That officer should have read the room and assessed the situation differently, but clearly, his judgment was flawed, and we're all seeing the tragic result of that mistake right now.

The kid died. He made the right call in how he assessed the scene. What was he supposed to do, just stand there and take a beating? He didn't have any other options; he evaluated the threat. The rule is to use the minimum amount of force necessary, but you can't exactly defend yourself more easily by refusing to use your own strength. He can't use a baton, and he can't reach for handcuffs if he's actively being attacked... Honestly, at this rate, it feels like they'd rather just shoot him so everyone can stop worrying. I think you've got it wrong.

You're totally tripping.
He could've easily used leverage to get the cuffs on him.
No striking required.

Assuming the kid actually attacked him in the first place.
I'm not buying that part.
A friend of the deceased says the cop just laid him out for no reason.

And plenty of locals have come forward saying this officer has a habit of beating people up for nothing.