USA recognizes Armenian Genocide

Robin Ramos2 said:God, those Senate Democrats sure are brilliant. I guess they think they're being clever, but because of this completely useless symbolic gesture, the Turks will most likely launch an invasion into northern Kurdish Iraq. And honestly? That's just going to wreck the one part of Iraq that's actually peaceful and somewhat functional.

I don't really think it's in Turkey's best interest to attack northern Iraq. Even though there are PKK bases there—which the Turkish military might struggle with since the well-armed, well-trained Kurdish Peshmerga have plenty of experience from fighting Saddam Hussein's army (and the Turkish military too)—they'll definitely put up a hell of a fight. Plus, they'd be risking an open revolt from maybe 20-25% of the Kurdish population right inside Turkey itself. The Kurds aren't exactly a small group... demographically speaking, they're doing quite well, and they have a real warrior tradition. All things considered, I just feel like the Turks would be taking way too much of a risk just to wipe out a few hundred guerrillas and a couple of camps.

hiddengardener84 said:So, one day Ahmedinejad decides to call Israel a genocidal state. Big deal. And what? Are the Turks actually worried about what the Americans have to say? Even Hitler would look at their crimes against humanity—from environmental destruction to mass killings unseen since the Crusades—and feel outclassed.

Is that why they pulled their ambassador?😂 🤣They clearly don't care one bit.😂

The news coming in is that Turkey launched missile strikes in northern Iraq, hitting a small village somewhere.

Zachary Watson50 said:I don't really think it's in Turkey's best interest to attack northern Iraq. Even though there are PKK bases there—which the Turkish military might struggle with since the well-armed, well-trained Kurdish Peshmerga have plenty of experience from fighting Saddam Hussein's army (and the Turkish military too)—they'll definitely put up a hell of a fight. Plus, they'd be risking an open revolt from maybe 20-25% of the Kurdish population right inside Turkey itself. The Kurds aren't exactly a small group... demographically speaking, they're doing quite well, and they have a real warrior tradition. All things considered, I just feel like the Turks would be taking way too much of a risk just to wipe out a few hundred guerrillas and a couple of camps.

The military risks are almost secondary here, because I think this operation is primarily about domestic politics. For decades now, Turkey has been bending over backward under all sorts of external pressure just to remain a loyal NATO partner and try to get into the EU. But now, look—the EU openly won't have them, and one of their biggest US allies has gone so far as to equate them with Nazis. Because of all this humiliation, the Turks are feeling pretty wound up, and I suppose the government needs to give them something to boost morale a little. And wouldn't you know it, what a coincidence, next week Erdogan's government will seek authorization for a military incursion after a public holiday which ends on Sunday, regarding an action that has basically been talked about since July.

Erdogan's government will seek authorization for a military incursion after a public holiday which ends on Sunday, senior ruling AK Party lawmaker Sadullah Ergin said.

The military risks aren't really the main point here... it feels more like this whole thing is primarily about domestic politics. For decades now, Turkey has been bending over backwards to deal with all sorts of external pressure just to stay a loyal NATO partner and try to get into the EU. But now, the EU isn't interested, and one of the biggest allies of the USA has basically been lumped in with the Nazis. Because of that kind of humiliation, people in Turkey are feeling pretty fired up, and the government needs to give them something—anything, really—to boost morale. And wouldn't you know it... what a coincidence... next week Erdogan's government will seek authorization for a military incursion after a public holiday which ends on Sunday, something they've actually been talking about since July.

Honestly, Turkey probably never needed the promise of EU membership anyway. They aren't really a European state, and they are a majority Muslim nation (even if they have a secular setup). It would have made more sense to offer them a special partnership with the EU, like they already do. Today, Turkey is the 17th largest economy in the world and a major military power, and that’s largely thanks to their secular structure and their relationship with the USA. Otherwise, they might be struggling quite a bit, similar to much of the rest of the Islamic world.

Also, I personally feel that modern, secular Turkey shouldn't have to face any consequences for what happened back in 1915. That Turkish Genocide was committed by the Ottoman Empire, which is totally different from the Turkey established by Atatürk. Still, though... it would be the right thing to do to acknowledge that historical crime. A gesture like that would be way more productive than all this posturing with weapons, and I'm certain Turkey would never even dream of comparing itself to the Nazis.

Just more proof that the "Iraqi government's" jurisdiction really only extends to the "Green Zone." 🤣 🤣

goldenmason172 said:Just tell me one thing: why on earth are you rooting for the Taliban in Afghanistan? What happened to the will of the people to decide their own future? If my memory serves me right, aren't those same Taliban fanatics the kind of small-minded thugs who used to carry out executions of innocent women in stadiums? Honestly, it looks like that ignorant rabble is finally getting what’s coming to them. Cowards and pathetic creatures like that only know how to lash out at women—nothing else. I suppose they feel more "manly" through their faith! As Putin once pointed out, that scum should be eradicated like rats, and frankly, that is the one thing I actually agree with him on.

You're talking nonsense. Look, the majority decided in Algeria—whoever won, they won, so what? ☕And then what? The West and the Zionists will just turn the country into a wreck. And if we don't even go as far as that Jewish entity, let's look at the neighborhood. In that occupied territory that no country has ever recognized, not even America, 😂the US defeated Hamas, so what? You want to use force to change a legally elected government chosen by the majority? 👎Keep going with your Taliban talk. When the Taliban were in charge, things were a hell of a lot quieter, if nothing else. People actually had food to eat. As for human rights? Please. That doesn't exist anywhere, not even in America, where real Americans have zero rights outside of reservations.☕
And all that talk about beating women—don't forget the USA is one of the most violent countries toward women. We can get into the whole pedophilia thing involving Jewish rabbis some other time.

Zachary Watson50 said:

The military risks aren't really the main point here... it feels more like this whole thing is primarily about domestic politics. For decades now, Turkey has been bending over backwards to deal with all sorts of external pressure just to stay a loyal NATO partner and try to get into the EU. But now, the EU isn't interested, and one of the biggest allies of the USA has basically been lumped in with the Nazis. Because of that kind of humiliation, people in Turkey are feeling pretty fired up, and the government needs to give them something—anything, really—to boost morale. And wouldn't you know it... what a coincidence... next week Erdogan's government will seek authorization for a military incursion after a public holiday which ends on Sunday, something they've actually been talking about since July.

Honestly, Turkey probably never needed the promise of EU membership anyway. They aren't really a European state, and they are a majority Muslim nation (even if they have a secular setup). It would have made more sense to offer them a special partnership with the EU, like they already do. Today, Turkey is the 17th largest economy in the world and a major military power, and that’s largely thanks to their secular structure and their relationship with the USA. Otherwise, they might be struggling quite a bit, similar to much of the rest of the Islamic world.

Also, I personally feel that modern, secular Turkey shouldn't have to face any consequences for what happened back in 1915. That Turkish Genocide was committed by the Ottoman Empire, which is totally different from the Turkey established by Atatürk. Still, though... it would be the right thing to do to acknowledge that historical crime. A gesture like that would be way more productive than all this posturing with weapons, and I'm certain Turkey would never even dream of comparing itself to the Nazis.

Whether or not they should have been promised membership is pretty much irrelevant now, I guess. The reality is that those promises were used as leverage to push through reforms when the government needed to maintain a shaky consensus among voters. Turkey basically spent years trying to balance the internal tug-of-war between liberal factions and fundamentalists. Moving away from the EU and distancing themselves from the USA might just end up empowering the fundamentalists in the long run.

As for whether modern Turkey should face repercussions... well, that's a whole other debate. Today's Turkey isn't the Ottoman Empire that committed those atrocities. However, it's true that modern Turkey still uses archaic laws to go after intellectuals who dare to speak out about the Armenian Genocide. Plus, the border with Armenia is still blocked by Turkey. From that perspective, the resolution makes sense. But, looking at realpolitik and how things work with Muslim nations, the timing couldn't have been worse.

Richard Wilson4 said:The Democrats just slapped George Bush with another massive reality check. He’s out here sucking up to the Senate, begging them to back down because apparently Turkey is such a "strategic ally" in the war on terror...

France pulled the exact same move last year, totally ignoring all that US pressure on Turkey within the EU 👍

Now this one is actually pretty solid 🙂))

analogfalcon38 said:Now this one is actually pretty solid 🙂))

It’s pretty obvious that for you Muslims, genocide is just some joke...

hiddengardener84 said:Back when Turkey was ruled by Sultans who actually had faith, this stuff didn't happen. But once that disgusting Jew Kemal Ataturk took over, everything changed. 😂Some idiot is still going to claim he did it in the name of Islam. 😂

The Armenian Genocide was carried out during the Sultanate era between 1915 and 1917!

Robin Ramos2 said:The military risks are almost secondary here, because I think this operation is primarily about domestic politics. For decades now, Turkey has been bending over backward under all sorts of external pressure just to remain a loyal NATO partner and try to get into the EU. But now, look—the EU openly won't have them, and one of their biggest US allies has gone so far as to equate them with Nazis. Because of all this humiliation, the Turks are feeling pretty wound up, and I suppose the government needs to give them something to boost morale a little. And wouldn't you know it, what a coincidence, next week Erdogan's government will seek authorization for a military incursion after a public holiday which ends on Sunday, regarding an action that has basically been talked about since July.

Erdogan's government will seek authorization for a military incursion after a public holiday which ends on Sunday, senior ruling AK Party lawmaker Sadullah Ergin said.

They were compared to Nazis back when they carried out the genocide against a million people. Honestly, they were actually an inspiration for Hitler, who, when asked "what will future generations think of us?", simply replied: "who even remembers the Armenians anymore?"

I have issued the command — and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad — that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness — for the present only in the East — with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish descent and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space [Lebensraum] which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?

Unsere Stärke ist unsere Schnelligkeit und unsere Brutalität. Dschingis Khan drove millions of women and children to their deaths, deliberately and with joyful Herzens. Die Geschichte sees him only as the great Founding Father. What the weak Western European civilization claims about me is irrelevant. I have issued the command — and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad — that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. So I have, for now only in the East, placed my death-head formation in readiness with the command to mercilessly and without compassion send men, women, and children of Polish descent and language to their deaths. Only thus do we gain the Lebensraum we require. Who talks today of the Armenian Genocide?

Adolf Hitler, August 1939, a conversation with German military commanders immediately preceding the invasion of Poland.

Robin Ramos2 said:Whether or not they should have been promised membership is pretty much irrelevant now, I guess. The reality is that those promises were used as leverage to push through reforms when the government needed to maintain a shaky consensus among voters. Turkey basically spent years trying to balance the internal tug-of-war between liberal factions and fundamentalists. Moving away from the EU and distancing themselves from the USA might just end up empowering the fundamentalists in the long run.

As for whether modern Turkey should face repercussions... well, that's a whole other debate. Today's Turkey isn't the Ottoman Empire that committed those atrocities. However, it's true that modern Turkey still uses archaic laws to go after intellectuals who dare to speak out about the Armenian Genocide. Plus, the border with Armenia is still blocked by Turkey. From that perspective, the resolution makes sense. But, looking at realpolitik and how things work with Muslim nations, the timing couldn't have been worse.

If a country like Turkey only ditches fundamentalism as a tactical move to get into the European Union, then heaven help the European Union if they let people like that in.

Visiting you all here, I have to say: the USA hasn't officially recognized any such genocide committed by Turkey—an event that simply never took place. It’s nothing more than a high-stakes game played by lobbyists and international crime syndicates, just as R. T. Erdogan has pointed out.

The issue lies with you all—you simply can't tell a Turkish soldier apart from anyone else.

James Nguyen13 said:They were compared to Nazis back when they carried out the genocide against a million people. Honestly, they were actually an inspiration for Hitler, who, when asked "what will future generations think of us?", simply replied: "who even remembers the Armenians anymore?"

I have issued the command — and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad — that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness — for the present only in the East — with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish descent and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space [Lebensraum] which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?

Unsere Stärke ist unsere Schnelligkeit und unsere Brutalität. Dschingis Khan drove millions of women and children to their deaths, deliberately and with joyful Herzens. Die Geschichte sees him only as the great Founding Father. What the weak Western European civilization claims about me is irrelevant. I have issued the command — and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad — that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. So I have, for now only in the East, placed my death-head formation in readiness with the command to mercilessly and without compassion send men, women, and children of Polish descent and language to their deaths. Only thus do we gain the Lebensraum we require. Who talks today of the Armenian Genocide?

Adolf Hitler, August 1939, a conversation with German military commanders immediately preceding the invasion of Poland.

I mean, you’re just an idealist, kind of like those liberal Democrat fools. You can't eat idealism, and all it ever really produces is useless bloodshed.

James Nguyen13 said:They were compared to Nazis back when they carried out the genocide against a million people. Honestly, they were actually an inspiration for Hitler, who, when asked "what will future generations think of us?", simply replied: "who even remembers the Armenians anymore?"

I have issued the command — and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad — that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness — for the present only in the East — with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish descent and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space [Lebensraum] which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?

Unsere Stärke ist unsere Schnelligkeit und unsere Brutalität. Dschingis Khan drove millions of women and children to their deaths, deliberately and with joyful Herzens. Die Geschichte sees him only as the great Founding Father. What the weak Western European civilization claims about me is irrelevant. I have issued the command — and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad — that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. So I have, for now only in the East, placed my death-head formation in readiness with the command to mercilessly and without compassion send men, women, and children of Polish descent and language to their deaths. Only thus do we gain the Lebensraum we require. Who talks today of the Armenian Genocide?

Adolf Hitler, August 1939, a conversation with German military commanders immediately preceding the invasion of Poland.

You're twisting the facts a bit. The Young Turks did commit atrocities, but...

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Othe...nHolocaust.htm

It wasn't really "Young Turks"—it was the old Zionists.
Anyway, their main goal was to abolish the Caliphate... and honestly, it's hard to find a single true Muslim who would have actually wanted that.

True Muslims want:
- No entry for Turkey into the European Union, because that just dilutes Islam in Turkey even further.
- A defeat in the war against the Kurds, leading to internal unrest, an eventual massive revolution, and finally purging the cancer within Islam—specifically those embedded Doenmeh puppets, from local school boards and town councils all the way up to the Joint Chiefs and Congress.
- Turning Turkey toward Iran, closing the borders to the European Union, and ignoring that decaying nursing home of a continent.

David Newman50 said:You're twisting the facts a bit. The Young Turks did commit atrocities, but...

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Othe...nHolocaust.htm

It wasn't really "Young Turks"—it was the old Zionists.
Anyway, their main goal was to abolish the Caliphate... and honestly, it's hard to find a single true Muslim who would have actually wanted that.

True Muslims want:
- No entry for Turkey into the European Union, because that just dilutes Islam in Turkey even further.
- A defeat in the war against the Kurds, leading to internal unrest, an eventual massive revolution, and finally purging the cancer within Islam—specifically those embedded Doenmeh puppets, from local school boards and town councils all the way up to the Joint Chiefs and Congress.
- Turning Turkey toward Iran, closing the borders to the European Union, and ignoring that decaying nursing home of a continent.

That sums up all the attempts to paint Islam as a religion of peace and tolerance, much like the attempts to frame Canadians as part of Europe. Where is my COD2 now?👍

Well said, David.👍 👍