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Mistaken wire transfer/payment error

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John Thomas2 John Thomas2 Active Member
88 messages
joined Feb 2012
#81 ·
Just got my final paycheck from that old job I quit three months ago. 🙄

The bank made me sign some consent form just to let them process it. When I asked what would happen if I refused—since this isn't even my fault, it's on the company—the teller basically told me the money legally wasn't mine anyway and that I had to sign. 😁
brisktinker15 brisktinker15 Member
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joined Feb 2012
#82 ·
I honestly don’t get how a massive bank like Chase can be this clueless about where their money is coming from. Like, seriously? Even on my basic checking account or my small business account, I can see exactly who sent me cash and what it was for. Even the mobile app makes it super easy—it clearly lists the sender, the amount, and the memo.
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
543 messages
joined Jul 2009
#83 ·
It doesn't even have to be documented... honestly, at some local credit unions, you just walk up, hand over an account number on a scrap of paper, tell the teller the amount, and she processes the transfer... there’s absolutely zero record of who actually made the deposit...

As for getting your money back... we had a massive debate about this ages ago... let me dig through my history and see if I can pull it together for you.

@brisk tinker15 ... look, things might be different with commercial business accounts, but even then, I don't think they require any actual ID verification.

EDIT: I managed to find one thread about this, though there was a much better one out there somewhere... I just can't seem to track it down right now...
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
18 messages
joined Sep 2009
#84 ·
I always see it happening—the clerk at the bank teller window tells me straight up, "Hey, you just received a payment from..."
I don't get how they can claim they can't track down the sender... it's the very first thing you see. 😕
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#85 ·
Look, you just have to realize that since the person sending you the funds is identifying themselves through online banking...
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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joined Sep 2009
#86 ·
From what I can gather, you can't even make a deposit without showing some ID—and once you hand over your driver's license, they've got all your info on record anyway...
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
543 messages
joined Jul 2009
#87 ·
Look, I’m telling you right now, there is absolutely no need to dig up your driver's license, your passport, or any other form of ID just to make a payment 😉
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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joined Sep 2009
#88 ·
That’s a first for me... back when my old man was wiring money over from London a few years ago, he had to deal with all the personal banking hurdles—and even when I was just sending cash to my mom over in Chicago... 🤷
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#89 ·
Look, we’re talking about making a domestic transfer within the States into an American bank account... what your dad was sending you from the Netherlands has absolutely nothing to do with this specific issue... honestly, if your mom hadn't had her ID on hand, they probably would have processed the payment anyway
Mark Nguyen6 Mark Nguyen6 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#90 ·
brisktinker15 said:I honestly don’t get how a massive bank like Chase can be this clueless about where their money is coming from. Like, seriously? Even on my basic checking account or my small business account, I can see exactly who sent me cash and what it was for. Even the mobile app makes it super easy—it clearly lists the sender, the amount, and the memo.

It really caught me off guard, too. Up until now, every single deposit has come with a clear breakdown of where it originated. This is the first time I've encountered one that shows absolutely nothing. I even asked a teller at the branch, but she couldn't tell me who the sender was either. The only information I managed to track down was which specific branch handled the transaction and the exact time it went through.
Mark Nguyen6 Mark Nguyen6 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#91 ·
Kimberly Nguyen said:Look, I’m telling you right now, there is absolutely no need to dig up your driver's license, your passport, or any other form of ID just to make a payment 😉

That's true.
I've handled several transfers that way myself—just using the account number and the amount written down on a scrap of paper, without any documentation whatsoever. It's quite straightforward, I guess.
Chloe Wells5 Chloe Wells5 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2009
#92 ·
I hold an account at Chase—they’re incredibly strict about requiring a photo ID every single time. Meanwhile, over at a local credit union, they barely even ask for anything beyond a name. I was making a deposit for my son once and the teller actually questioned who was making the payment; I just gave her a little joke to lighten the mood. That's just how I've found things work—different strokes for different folks.
Kimberly Ward6 Kimberly Ward6 Newcomer
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joined Sep 2009
#93 ·
My sister-in-law works at an accounting firm and accidentally wired $10 $0.00 to the wrong account. They realized the mistake first thing the next morning and tried to fix it immediately, but the money had already been withdrawn. Now it's just gone.

It was through JPMorgan Chase. We have the receipt showing exactly who sent what to whom, all handled via online banking. I don't understand how a mistake like this can't be reversed.

Any advice on how to get the money back?
Thomas Fowler84 Thomas Fowler84 Active Member
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joined Dec 2010
#94 ·
Kimberly Ward6 said:My sister-in-law works at an accounting firm and accidentally wired $10 $0.00 to the wrong account. They realized the mistake first thing the next morning and tried to fix it immediately, but the money had already been withdrawn. Now it's just gone.

It was through JPMorgan Chase. We have the receipt showing exactly who sent what to whom, all handled via online banking. I don't understand how a mistake like this can't be reversed.

Any advice on how to get the money back?

Has she filed a police report yet?
Retaining funds that you know do not belong to you is a legal violation.
The real challenge will be the burden of proof.
In Germany, for instance, this falls under § 812 BGB; it should be the same here in the US.
Rachel Garcia Rachel Garcia Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#95 ·
Thomas Fowler84 said:Has she filed a police report yet?
Retaining funds that you know do not belong to you is a legal violation.
The real challenge will be the burden of proof.
In Germany, for instance, this falls under § 812 BGB; it should be the same here in the US.

Look, I know someone who accidentally entered her sister's routing number at the bank, so the deposit went to a stranger instead. That person kept the funds because, according to her, once the money hits her account, it belongs to her—plus, she was deep in debt and could use the windfall. :🙄 Long story short, she didn't return it, and the police told my friend they couldn't intervene since it's a private civil matter. The solution was a civil lawsuit, though my friend says she still hasn't seen a dime.
My husband had a similar experience when a teller handed him cash from the wrong account, but he pointed out the mistake and returned it immediately.🙂
Kimberly Nguyen Kimberly Nguyen Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#96 ·
Look, this whole situation is such a massive, bureaucratic nightmare... it’s honestly exhausting. Basically, the bank is supposed to reach out to the person who accidentally received the funds, let them know what happened, and then beg for their written consent or authorization so the bank can just pull the money back and return it to the company... But if that individual decides to be difficult and refuses to cooperate? Then the bank has to hand over that person's details to the company so they can go ahead and file a lawsuit... It is just an incredibly convoluted, messy process from start to finish. I swear, it's a total disaster.
Thomas Fowler84 Thomas Fowler84 Active Member
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joined Dec 2010
#97 ·
Rachel Garcia said:Look, I know someone who accidentally entered her sister's routing number at the bank, so the deposit went to a stranger instead. That person kept the funds because, according to her, once the money hits her account, it belongs to her—plus, she was deep in debt and could use the windfall. :🙄 Long story short, she didn't return it, and the police told my friend they couldn't intervene since it's a private civil matter. The solution was a civil lawsuit, though my friend says she still hasn't seen a dime.
My husband had a similar experience when a teller handed him cash from the wrong account, but he pointed out the mistake and returned it immediately.🙂

Article 220 of the U.S. Penal Code
(5) Anyone who unlawfully appropriates a movable object found or accidentally obtained from another
shall be punished by a fine of up to fifty daily incomes or imprisonment for up to six months.

(6) For offenses under paragraphs 1, 2, and 5 of this article, criminal proceedings are initiated via private prosecution, unless the property is government-owned, in which case proceedings are initiated upon recommendation.

It is much like finding a wallet dropped on a sidewalk; if you pick it up, the law dictates you must return it.

The legal gray area arises when a wire transfer is sent in error and the recipient spends the money without realizing the mistake. In such cases, proving malicious intent is difficult because there was no plan to misappropriate funds; the fault lies primarily with the sender.
The logic that money belongs to whoever possesses it is pure nonsense. If that were true, the entire credit-based American economy would collapse overnight. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that even physical currency is technically issued by the United States government, regardless of whose pocket it sits in. 🙂.
Nicholas Turner Nicholas Turner Active Member
125 messages
joined Oct 2010
#98 ·
Your example doesn't quite hold water—this isn't about stumbling upon someone's lost wallet on a sidewalk in Chicago. This is about someone accidentally wiring funds directly into your bank account—as if they just dropped a stack of cash on your doorstep as a gift.

That’s exactly why things get so incredibly messy when this happens.
Thomas Fowler84 Thomas Fowler84 Active Member
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joined Dec 2010
#99 ·
Nicholas Turner said:Your example doesn't quite hold water—this isn't about stumbling upon someone's lost wallet on a sidewalk in Chicago. This is about someone accidentally wiring funds directly into your bank account—as if they just dropped a stack of cash on your doorstep as a gift.

That’s exactly why things get so incredibly messy when this happens.

Regardless, we are looking at gross negligence, which results in the unlawful appropriation of funds.
I cited specific legal statutes—they aren't my own invention—that apply whether you stumble upon a stranger's wallet or find unexpected funds sitting in your checking account. In both scenarios, you know perfectly well the money isn't yours.

What kind of "gift" are you imagining? We are discussing a scenario where the recipient has no grounds to assume it was a gift; they have sufficient information—at the latest once the owner or the bank reaches out—to know they are holding property that does not belong to them.

The headache doesn't stem from a lack of legal clarity, as the law is quite explicit. The issue is that this isn't something you can resolve through a quick administrative fix like a small claims settlement before a notary. It requires filing a private lawsuit, just as the law dictates. And we all know how grueling and ineffective those private lawsuits can be in the American legal system.

Legally speaking, however, the matter is crystal clear—provided the recipient is notified promptly, leaving no room to claim ignorance after the money has already been spent.
Nicholas Turner Nicholas Turner Active Member
125 messages
joined Oct 2010
#100 ·
Exactly—it comes down to pure negligence. If a payer is careless, then they deserve whatever "excitement" comes their way via a private lawsuit. They’ll be feeling less cautious and more paranoid the next time they try to move money around.

Look, I’m no lawyer, but I don't think the article you cited actually applies here. If it did, I could just start sending money to random people on purpose and then sue them for everything they're worth—and those people wouldn't have done anything wrong! In this specific case, nobody just "stumbled upon" someone else's cash; rather, someone’s total lack of foresight basically "tossed it into their yard."

To me, this falls into a massive gray area. If I accidentally wire funds to the wrong person, I can ask my bank to reverse it—but of course, they can't do that because they aren't allowed to touch anyone's account without explicit authorization from the owner. Plus, the bank can't give me the recipient's details due to privacy laws and banking regulations. The recipient could even sue the bank for leaking their private info! All of this chaos happens simply because someone was too incompetent to double-check a transaction. 😲

Just so we’re clear—I’m not defending the idea of spending someone else's money. Not at all. It’s just that you really have to watch your step when handling finances; one wrong move creates a massive headache for the banks and the "accidental" recipient alike.

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