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Ashley Parker20 Ashley Parker20 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Diving into the realm of desire... but what actually constitutes a desire? Is it a reflection of our spirit—or just raw, primal physicality? What does it truly reveal about us?

Can we go blind if we stare too long at absolute beauty? The divine soul flows from beauty. Call it magic or an illusion—whatever you want. Magic. A cosmic alignment of unknown souls across the universe? I believe it. I feel it. It’s possible. But there is one catch: pure intention and a pure heart. And stillness. Agitation clouds the vision. That’s why love often makes people blind. Frequently. Because it unsettles them.

Is it possible for love to be peaceful? So much so that we gain the ability to step back. To step away from love itself. Could it sail upon a calm sea? Across the vast, timeless expanses of eternity. Rising above ourselves and everything we feel. Perhaps, in doing so, we might finally see clearly.

Why does it die? Love. Perhaps it was built on the wrong foundation. Maybe it was constructed solely on physical connection—on the hunger of our biological nature. And the physical is fleeting. That is why it cannot last forever. Once we experience true desire, we can move beyond it. Spiritual navigation is eternal. Something else entirely. The universe is a massive expanse; one lifetime wouldn't even come close to being enough for the journey. We are always discovering something new. That is why it never truly ends...

Physical connection alone is transient. It's a proven fact. But this kind of desire...
Laura Martin73 Laura Martin73 Newcomer
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#2 ·
Just tell me what you've been consuming for the last few hours. 😕
Walter Ramirez3 Walter Ramirez3 Member
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#3 ·
You know... there's a subforum over there... Psychology.

Or you could check out Philosophy...

👍

but you really seem like you're looking for something much more intense...😉
Patrick Peterson3 Patrick Peterson3 Newcomer
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#4 ·
That is such a beautifully articulated point...
I couldn't agree more; it’s truly frustrating when certain people just seem completely unable to grasp the sheer depth of what's being discussed.
brightridge59 brightridge59 Active Member
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#5 ·
Physicality really doesn't mean much if you don't have that spiritual connection to back it up. Without it, even if you experience what people call 'divine light'—or whatever poetic term you prefer to use—it might just end up being nothing more than a momentary, intense physical rush.

It’s much the same when you're pursuing spiritual fulfillment without any physical element involved. It just doesn't seem to hold much weight in the long run. You can strive for all the spiritual enlightenment your heart desires, but I truly believe that the act of sexually uniting with another person can be an incredibly profound, eye-opening experience that brings its own kind of revelation. 😁
A Anonymous Veteran
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#6 ·
That’s a great write-up, but honestly, I’m totally lost by the end! 😬
Eric Nelson Eric Nelson Newcomer
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#7 ·
Ashley Parker20 said:Diving into the realm of desire... but what actually constitutes a desire? Is it a reflection of our spirit—or just raw, primal physicality? What does it truly reveal about us?

Can we go blind if we stare too long at absolute beauty? The divine soul flows from beauty. Call it magic or an illusion—whatever you want. Magic. A cosmic alignment of unknown souls across the universe? I believe it. I feel it. It’s possible. But there is one catch: pure intention and a pure heart. And stillness. Agitation clouds the vision. That’s why love often makes people blind. Frequently. Because it unsettles them.

Is it possible for love to be peaceful? So much so that we gain the ability to step back. To step away from love itself. Could it sail upon a calm sea? Across the vast, timeless expanses of eternity. Rising above ourselves and everything we feel. Perhaps, in doing so, we might finally see clearly.

Why does it die? Love. Perhaps it was built on the wrong foundation. Maybe it was constructed solely on physical connection—on the hunger of our biological nature. And the physical is fleeting. That is why it cannot last forever. Once we experience true desire, we can move beyond it. Spiritual navigation is eternal. Something else entirely. The universe is a massive expanse; one lifetime wouldn't even come close to being enough for the journey. We are always discovering something new. That is why it never truly ends...

Physical connection alone is transient. It's a proven fact. But this kind of desire...

The divine soul doesn't spring from beauty.
coastalcrane6 coastalcrane6 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Ashley Parker20 said:Diving into the realm of desire... but what actually constitutes a desire? Is it a reflection of our spirit—or just raw, primal physicality? What does it truly reveal about us?

Can we go blind if we stare too long at absolute beauty? The divine soul flows from beauty. Call it magic or an illusion—whatever you want. Magic. A cosmic alignment of unknown souls across the universe? I believe it. I feel it. It’s possible. But there is one catch: pure intention and a pure heart. And stillness. Agitation clouds the vision. That’s why love often makes people blind. Frequently. Because it unsettles them.

Is it possible for love to be peaceful? So much so that we gain the ability to step back. To step away from love itself. Could it sail upon a calm sea? Across the vast, timeless expanses of eternity. Rising above ourselves and everything we feel. Perhaps, in doing so, we might finally see clearly.

Why does it die? Love. Perhaps it was built on the wrong foundation. Maybe it was constructed solely on physical connection—on the hunger of our biological nature. And the physical is fleeting. That is why it cannot last forever. Once we experience true desire, we can move beyond it. Spiritual navigation is eternal. Something else entirely. The universe is a massive expanse; one lifetime wouldn't even come close to being enough for the journey. We are always discovering something new. That is why it never truly ends...

Physical connection alone is transient. It's a proven fact. But this kind of desire...

....I realized....and now I understand why my vision is so much clearer....damn, it's all because of being calm....and having an open mind.....for now.....👍
Roger Cooper2 Roger Cooper2 Newcomer
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#9 ·
It’s still not quite clear to me what love actually is, I guess.😕
Something I heard recently—love is just... longing.😍
Thomas Mendoza96 Thomas Mendoza96 Newcomer
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#10 ·
Can someone hook me up with a translation of this thread?
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
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#11 ·
Ashley Parker20 said:Diving into the realm of desire... but what actually constitutes a desire? Is it a reflection of our spirit—or just raw, primal physicality? What does it truly reveal about us?

Can we go blind if we stare too long at absolute beauty? The divine soul flows from beauty. Call it magic or an illusion—whatever you want. Magic. A cosmic alignment of unknown souls across the universe? I believe it. I feel it. It’s possible. But there is one catch: pure intention and a pure heart. And stillness. Agitation clouds the vision. That’s why love often makes people blind. Frequently. Because it unsettles them.

Is it possible for love to be peaceful? So much so that we gain the ability to step back. To step away from love itself. Could it sail upon a calm sea? Across the vast, timeless expanses of eternity. Rising above ourselves and everything we feel. Perhaps, in doing so, we might finally see clearly.

Why does it die? Love. Perhaps it was built on the wrong foundation. Maybe it was constructed solely on physical connection—on the hunger of our biological nature. And the physical is fleeting. That is why it cannot last forever. Once we experience true desire, we can move beyond it. Spiritual navigation is eternal. Something else entirely. The universe is a massive expanse; one lifetime wouldn't even come close to being enough for the journey. We are always discovering something new. That is why it never truly ends...

Physical connection alone is transient. It's a proven fact. But this kind of desire...

Desire is really just a signal of lack. It’s an admission that there's a void, something we don't possess but think we need (at least, that's my take on it). And honestly, I doubt it's a reflection of the soul, except perhaps in the sense that the soul wants to be understood and recognized... which, if you think about it, just brings us right back to that first point about missing something.
Elizabeth Ruiz65 Elizabeth Ruiz65 Active Member
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#12 ·
Desire is just a roadmap leading straight to suffering. If we actually want to escape the pain, we have to let go of our desires entirely.

(c) Buddha

=)
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#13 ·
Ashley Parker20 said:Diving into the realm of desire... but what actually constitutes a desire? Is it a reflection of our spirit—or just raw, primal physicality? What does it truly reveal about us?

Can we go blind if we stare too long at absolute beauty? The divine soul flows from beauty. Call it magic or an illusion—whatever you want. Magic. A cosmic alignment of unknown souls across the universe? I believe it. I feel it. It’s possible. But there is one catch: pure intention and a pure heart. And stillness. Agitation clouds the vision. That’s why love often makes people blind. Frequently. Because it unsettles them.

Is it possible for love to be peaceful? So much so that we gain the ability to step back. To step away from love itself. Could it sail upon a calm sea? Across the vast, timeless expanses of eternity. Rising above ourselves and everything we feel. Perhaps, in doing so, we might finally see clearly.

Why does it die? Love. Perhaps it was built on the wrong foundation. Maybe it was constructed solely on physical connection—on the hunger of our biological nature. And the physical is fleeting. That is why it cannot last forever. Once we experience true desire, we can move beyond it. Spiritual navigation is eternal. Something else entirely. The universe is a massive expanse; one lifetime wouldn't even come close to being enough for the journey. We are always discovering something new. That is why it never truly ends...

Physical connection alone is transient. It's a proven fact. But this kind of desire...

It all comes down to our spirit being at the forefront of everything we do.

Elizabeth Ruiz65 said:Desire is just a roadmap leading straight to suffering. If we actually want to escape the pain, we have to let go of our desires entirely.

(c) Buddha

=)

I feel the exact opposite way about that.
If you go chasing after every single whim, you’re just setting yourself up for a world of hurt.
Elizabeth Ruiz65 Elizabeth Ruiz65 Active Member
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#14 ·
Sandra Parker3 said:It all comes down to our spirit being at the forefront of everything we do.

I feel the exact opposite way about that.
If you go chasing after every single whim, you’re just setting yourself up for a world of hurt.

From my perspective, and based on the general philosophy I live by, the goal isn't really about...
It isn't about stripping away every single desire you have; it’s more about narrowing their scope.
And the sheer absurdity that stems from them.

People these days just want everything at once—the latest iPhone, a brand new Ford, maybe a massive 110-inch plasma screen to stare at. Is that really what everyone is after?
Designer labels, mountains of cash spent on winter getaways, summer vacations... does anyone actually believe the hype?
Spring fever, autumn blues... It’s always the same cycle. Everyone is just chasing that fleeting sense of stardom, desperate to be famous, successful, or to finally have it all. Is anyone actually satisfied?
They’re being fed this idea that an endless pile of cash is the direct ticket to happiness. But what if all that wealth actually leads you to die a... well, you know.
Don't worry about it; the market will always find a way to plant new desires in your head and invent an entirely new set of needs.
Another newer phone, an even faster and sleeker Ford, an even larger plasma screen... what else is there?
The newer departments... Just more celebrations, more glamour, and even more "success."
Money and recognition. The market just traps people in this endless, self-perpetuating loop.
It’s never-ending.I need it now, and I need it right this second, because apparently my happiness depends entirely on getting exactly what I want the moment I want it.
My happiness is my life.
It really comes down to the fact that in most cases...
Those aren't actually their own desires; they've been implanted by someone else.
How exactly do mass media and modern capitalist paradigms interact? Or rather, how would they shape our perception if we actually stopped to look at them?
It was all just a way to keep the capitalist machine running smoothly.Give me more, more, more—because that’s exactly what’s required.
Just my luck.
It’s pretty much impossible to stay consistent all the time.
With growth like that, she’s bound to hit a wall eventually. And once she does, seeing as they haven't...
Is there any point in chasing happiness if we only look for it through one narrow lens? We really ought to start developing more diverse ways to find fulfillment rather than relying on just one thing.
Walmart runs and mindless shopping sprees? They usually just lead straight to frustration and misery.

A life built on those kinds of desires is practically being engineered into reality as we speak.
In accordance with the idiom. Work, Amazon, Walmart, die a.

And I don't even need to point out how many people are just driven by pure...
It starts with that sudden, frustrating inability to satisfy your own desires—or rather, the desires you think are yours.
It’s all being implanted by the mass media, acting as nothing more than a service to the market. What exactly is it they want?
Is there anything more exhausting than the desperate urge to be "cool"? You know the type—people who feel the need to wear the exact same outfits, haunt the same overpriced bars, and spend their entire paychecks at places like Walmart just to stay relevant. Why does everyone feel this constant pressure to follow the same tired script?
They’re playing by the exact same playbook as those people they worship like idols. Not happening.
The only real distinction between the first group and the latter is that the former can barely keep their heads above water financially.
It allows for the maintenance of existential conditions. And so, an individual...
Is it really worth suffering just because you’re chasing something that might not even be worth the effort?
Will she ever actually have it? Or is she just playing a part because that's what her social circle keeps telling her she needs to be?
Exactly that—she’s actually being denied the very thing that would have been good for her.
I need this.

So, I’ll say it again: if you actually want to find some lasting sense of happiness, at least from where I'm sitting...
Is the real answer just scaling back our own needs, desires, and cravings? What else is there?
Fewer desires mean less burnout. Why waste all that energy trying to chase every single whim?
Satisfy yourself. After all, when you aren't constantly running on empty, you actually have the energy and the will to get things done, don't you?
Maybe it’s time to finally turn toward other people, just for a change.
Maybe try actually getting to know yourself—and figuring out what you truly need, rather than just what you think you want.
While everyone else keeps insisting he needs it, he’s already decided what he wants for himself.
After a while, it starts repeating itself.Yeah, that’s exactly what I’ve been telling you.
Necessary.
The continuous dominance of market hegemony is just so incredibly efficient at...
They keep telling people they’re free, as if that were somehow a reality when we're all just pretending to be equal in such massive numbers.
Is there anything more hollow than being held captive by your own desires, reaching a point where you can't even admit them to yourself?
Self-inflicted captivity.

Still, I think it’s worth pointing out just so there isn't any confusion:
Desires can actually lead to happiness, provided you direct them toward the right things.
Focus on something more lasting, something non-material. Some people write poetry or short stories,
they read books, paint, sing, stay active, learn,
study and research all sorts of things, or explore the spiritual side
of existence... Most of these pursuits don't require massive financial
outlays, so you aren't constantly facing the threat of going broke just to
satisfy your own impulses. Take someone whose passions involve
writing, for instance; if they lack a computer, finding a pen and paper is easy enough. For me,
whenever I feel that itch to fulfill a desire, I don't head
over to Walmart, instead I might just hit a nearby beach for a couple
hours of Yoga. It’s a practice I can return to whenever I want; no one can
strip it away from me, I don't owe anyone a dime for it, and it remains entirely independent of
whatever market supply and demand dictates. If people dedicated themselves
to more desires of this nature, wouldn't there be significantly less depression
and neuroticism out there?

To wrap this up: if you don't manage your desires in a
reasonable way, you're essentially inviting suffering. It's quite simple: in an era of
hyper-inflated desires manufactured by the market, it is impossible for the vast
majority of people to satisfy every single whim. Even if we assumed
it were possible right now, only a tiny fraction of the population could actually sustain
that lifestyle in the long run. And it is precisely that inability to reach a set
goal that breeds frustration—which is really just the first step toward suffering.

Because while it might seem to some that stripping away most desires leaves
nothing but a void, I personally believe true emptiness is much fuller than a false sense of
abundance.
driftingraven122 driftingraven122 Active Member
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#15 ·
Elizabeth Ruiz65 said:From my perspective, and based on the general philosophy I live by, the goal isn't really about...
It isn't about stripping away every single desire you have; it’s more about narrowing their scope.
And the sheer absurdity that stems from them.

People these days just want everything at once—the latest iPhone, a brand new Ford, maybe a massive 110-inch plasma screen to stare at. Is that really what everyone is after?
Designer labels, mountains of cash spent on winter getaways, summer vacations... does anyone actually believe the hype?
Spring fever, autumn blues... It’s always the same cycle. Everyone is just chasing that fleeting sense of stardom, desperate to be famous, successful, or to finally have it all. Is anyone actually satisfied?
They’re being fed this idea that an endless pile of cash is the direct ticket to happiness. But what if all that wealth actually leads you to die a... well, you know.
Don't worry about it; the market will always find a way to plant new desires in your head and invent an entirely new set of needs.
Another newer phone, an even faster and sleeker Ford, an even larger plasma screen... what else is there?
The newer departments... Just more celebrations, more glamour, and even more "success."
Money and recognition. The market just traps people in this endless, self-perpetuating loop.
It’s never-ending.I need it now, and I need it right this second, because apparently my happiness depends entirely on getting exactly what I want the moment I want it.
My happiness is my life.
It really comes down to the fact that in most cases...
Those aren't actually their own desires; they've been implanted by someone else.
How exactly do mass media and modern capitalist paradigms interact? Or rather, how would they shape our perception if we actually stopped to look at them?
It was all just a way to keep the capitalist machine running smoothly.Give me more, more, more—because that’s exactly what’s required.
Just my luck.
It’s pretty much impossible to stay consistent all the time.
With growth like that, she’s bound to hit a wall eventually. And once she does, seeing as they haven't...
Is there any point in chasing happiness if we only look for it through one narrow lens? We really ought to start developing more diverse ways to find fulfillment rather than relying on just one thing.
Walmart runs and mindless shopping sprees? They usually just lead straight to frustration and misery.

A life built on those kinds of desires is practically being engineered into reality as we speak.
In accordance with the idiom. Work, Amazon, Walmart, die a.

And I don't even need to point out how many people are just driven by pure...
It starts with that sudden, frustrating inability to satisfy your own desires—or rather, the desires you think are yours.
It’s all being implanted by the mass media, acting as nothing more than a service to the market. What exactly is it they want?
Is there anything more exhausting than the desperate urge to be "cool"? You know the type—people who feel the need to wear the exact same outfits, haunt the same overpriced bars, and spend their entire paychecks at places like Walmart just to stay relevant. Why does everyone feel this constant pressure to follow the same tired script?
They’re playing by the exact same playbook as those people they worship like idols. Not happening.
The only real distinction between the first group and the latter is that the former can barely keep their heads above water financially.
It allows for the maintenance of existential conditions. And so, an individual...
Is it really worth suffering just because you’re chasing something that might not even be worth the effort?
Will she ever actually have it? Or is she just playing a part because that's what her social circle keeps telling her she needs to be?
Exactly that—she’s actually being denied the very thing that would have been good for her.
I need this.

So, I’ll say it again: if you actually want to find some lasting sense of happiness, at least from where I'm sitting...
Is the real answer just scaling back our own needs, desires, and cravings? What else is there?
Fewer desires mean less burnout. Why waste all that energy trying to chase every single whim?
Satisfy yourself. After all, when you aren't constantly running on empty, you actually have the energy and the will to get things done, don't you?
Maybe it’s time to finally turn toward other people, just for a change.
Maybe try actually getting to know yourself—and figuring out what you truly need, rather than just what you think you want.
While everyone else keeps insisting he needs it, he’s already decided what he wants for himself.
After a while, it starts repeating itself.Yeah, that’s exactly what I’ve been telling you.
Necessary.
The continuous dominance of market hegemony is just so incredibly efficient at...
They keep telling people they’re free, as if that were somehow a reality when we're all just pretending to be equal in such massive numbers.
Is there anything more hollow than being held captive by your own desires, reaching a point where you can't even admit them to yourself?
Self-inflicted captivity.

Still, I think it’s worth pointing out just so there isn't any confusion:
Desires can actually lead to happiness, provided you direct them toward the right things.
Focus on something more lasting, something non-material. Some people write poetry or short stories,
they read books, paint, sing, stay active, learn,
study and research all sorts of things, or explore the spiritual side
of existence... Most of these pursuits don't require massive financial
outlays, so you aren't constantly facing the threat of going broke just to
satisfy your own impulses. Take someone whose passions involve
writing, for instance; if they lack a computer, finding a pen and paper is easy enough. For me,
whenever I feel that itch to fulfill a desire, I don't head
over to Walmart, instead I might just hit a nearby beach for a couple
hours of Yoga. It’s a practice I can return to whenever I want; no one can
strip it away from me, I don't owe anyone a dime for it, and it remains entirely independent of
whatever market supply and demand dictates. If people dedicated themselves
to more desires of this nature, wouldn't there be significantly less depression
and neuroticism out there?

To wrap this up: if you don't manage your desires in a
reasonable way, you're essentially inviting suffering. It's quite simple: in an era of
hyper-inflated desires manufactured by the market, it is impossible for the vast
majority of people to satisfy every single whim. Even if we assumed
it were possible right now, only a tiny fraction of the population could actually sustain
that lifestyle in the long run. And it is precisely that inability to reach a set
goal that breeds frustration—which is really just the first step toward suffering.

Because while it might seem to some that stripping away most desires leaves
nothing but a void, I personally believe true emptiness is much fuller than a false sense of
abundance.

Spot on. 🙂

In a void, there’s nothing to bother you—yet, somehow, nothing is missing either. That’s true emptiness—at least, in my view.

Thanks for the piece, Elizabeth...
Sandra Parker3 Sandra Parker3 Regular
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#16 ·
@LNP20
I don't need it right now, and I definitely don't need it immediately.
Happiness isn't about actually getting what you want; it's found in the pursuit itself.
Desires aren't just about material stuff, either.
There's a big difference between what we need and what we want.
If you stop wanting things, you don't necessarily save energy,
but you might stunt your own growth... though that really depends on what you're aiming for.
The choices we make and the way we chase them are how we truly get to know ourselves.
Failing to hit a target can be frustrating, sure, but it doesn't have to be.
Goals aren't set in stone; they can change.

Sorry if I misread you—I was just skimming through and replying on the fly.
🙂
steelridge58 steelridge58 Regular
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joined Mar 2008
#17 ·
rustymaker5 said:Desire is really just a signal of lack. It’s an admission that there's a void, something we don't possess but think we need (at least, that's my take on it). And honestly, I doubt it's a reflection of the soul, except perhaps in the sense that the soul wants to be understood and recognized... which, if you think about it, just brings us right back to that first point about missing something.

Following along with what you wrote, rustymaker5, I can't help but wonder about another side to desire—that it's actually this one singular point where there is absolutely no conscious knowledge involved, which makes desire something almost irrational 🙂 that acts like these little bursts of light emanating from within us, casting beams that eventually allow us to catch a glimpse of our own hidden wants and understand ourselves better.

So, when you say it's about lack, I think you've hit on something really profound. 🙂 Whether we choose to acknowledge them or not, these desires that operate entirely behind our backs will keep doing their thing—they keep giving us information. 🙂

Well, now...

Elizabeth Ruiz65 said:Desire is just a roadmap leading straight to suffering. If we actually want to escape the pain, we have to let go of our desires entirely.

(c) Buddha

=)

I suppose you could definitely become numb from all that wanting, but honestly, I could never bring myself to want that; I wouldn't want to just snuff them out like a candle flame—and I don't believe our desires have to be that destructive light that draws moths to a fire until they perish. Maybe there's a more beautiful kind of light we can use to guide our lives through our desires instead, but I don't know... I'm certainly no expert on Eastern philosophy.
rustymaker5 rustymaker5 Regular
352 messages
joined Mar 2008
#18 ·
Elizabeth Ruiz65 said:Desire is just a roadmap leading straight to suffering. If we actually want to escape the pain, we have to let go of our desires entirely.

(c) Buddha

=)

I don't know about that... 🙂 I mean, sure, if you're talking strictly about material stuff, maybe there's some truth there...
But when you consider a situation where you actually want to improve yourself—like, say, wanting to be a more tolerant person because you've realized you're being a bit of a jerk lately—that kind of desire doesn't necessarily lead to misery, does it? In fact, if anything, actually achieving that goal moves you away from the friction and toward something much more positive...
mistyfox812 mistyfox812 Regular
295 messages
joined Mar 2004
#19 ·
Getting rid of the pain?
Is that even really a "desire"? I mean, doesn't it just go without saying that we want to stop hurting?
What on earth drives someone down that "eightfold path" toward wanting this—just so I can finally, actually, stop suffering?
driftingraven122 driftingraven122 Active Member
89 messages
joined Nov 2008
#20 ·
Yeah, I guess the Democratic Party was a bit clumsy with their wording there. There are actually three distinct desires involved. This is how it looks in the original—well, the English version, anyway:

The origin of suffering, as a noble truth, is this: It is the craving that produces renewal of being accompanied by enjoyment and lust, and enjoying this and that; in other words, craving for sensual desires, craving for being, craving for non-being.

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