Mass influx of Muslim refugees into Israel

So, you’ve got these anti-Israel propaganda types out there claiming it’s an apartheid state—basically saying they’re running some kind of Holocaust against Muslims—but then, get this, thousands of people fleeing conflicts within Muslim nations are actually heading straight for Israel. Like, seriously? If their rhetoric was actually true, why would anyone run toward it? It just doesn't add up!

Check this out—570 people from Darfur fled to Israel:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...413031,00.html
And then, just last night, 39 Sudanese refugees were caught trying to sneak into Israel illegally—meaning they weren't even looking to follow asylum protocols, they were just trying to cross the border under the cover of darkness:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...413775,00.html

Even 700 Palestinians from Gaza are trying to escape Hamas by heading into Israel:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...413744,00.html

I mean, I don't remember hearing about folks fleeing to South Africa or trying to scale walls to get into Nazi Germany, right? It's wild!

Brian Moore67 said:So, you’ve got these anti-Israel propaganda types out there claiming it’s an apartheid state—basically saying they’re running some kind of Holocaust against Muslims—but then, get this, thousands of people fleeing conflicts within Muslim nations are actually heading straight for Israel. Like, seriously? If their rhetoric was actually true, why would anyone run toward it? It just doesn't add up!

Check this out—570 people from Darfur fled to Israel:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...413031,00.html
And then, just last night, 39 Sudanese refugees were caught trying to sneak into Israel illegally—meaning they weren't even looking to follow asylum protocols, they were just trying to cross the border under the cover of darkness:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...413775,00.html

Even 700 Palestinians from Gaza are trying to escape Hamas by heading into Israel:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...413744,00.html

I mean, I don't remember hearing about folks fleeing to South Africa or trying to scale walls to get into Nazi Germany, right? It's wild!

So, from what I know, Black people weren't even fleeing South Africa. On the contrary, South Africa held out against sanctions for a long time because, despite the segregation, they were hiring Black workers. People from neighboring countries would actually come there for work. Sure, the pay was lousy, but they had jobs and could even afford to educate their kids.

The truth is, Black people were actually fleeing *to* a much more stable South Africa from countries torn apart by wars fought for American or Soviet interests. Places where even Cuba was sending aid in terms of manpower and military gear!

Brian, sorry to break it to you, but you're barking up the wrong tree with the South Africa stuff.
That isn't a great example to use. Some of us remember things a bit better, even if we don't have the English skills to drop a link to prove it!

Basically, almost all of Africa was a war zone back then. Just look at Congo and Angola—those are classic examples. I even saw Black Angolan soldiers being treated in a hospital in Chicago once! Nobody really talked about it openly, but everyone knew the US was involved, playing both sides of the fence.

P.S. Don't go saying I've just been brainwashed by some old propaganda machine regarding JAR.
I figured this out myself by digging through different sources and reading between the lines. Plus, there were plenty of Black students around. Some of them found ways to hang out privately. I actually had a bit of a shock once when one guy told me that the dictatorship in Spain felt less intense than what we had here! He was from a wealthy, high-class family but was still on our scholarship. He used to travel to New York just to get his hair cut because the local barbers didn't know how to handle Black hair! Between him and his Arab neighbors, I got a totally different perspective. Most of them were Protestant! At least the ones I met through my landlady and her daughter who was a student. I was a tenant, and she basically dragged me everywhere. I was like her little shadow, in a way. Her mom loved hosting Black folks—that’s how she put it—especially during the winter. A lot of them were seeing snow for the first time! She thought it was fascinating. The Black Muslims didn't really try to bridge the gap. Only one guy shared things with me that sounded totally unbelievable compared to what our Muslims believe. But those Protestants tried to explain their relationships within the same country and same skin color.

Anyway, most Black people back then couldn't read or write, so they had no clue about the segregation politics. We only ever heard official news about the groups that were already organized around Mandela in JAR itself.

Have you ever sat down and watched "Liar Liar"?
It stars Jim Carrey.

So, just today, they caught another 20 refugees from Sudan trying to sneak across the border into Israel
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull
It’s honestly wild—every single day you have somewhere between 20 to 50 folks from Darfur attempting to cross the line. Since they're technically citizens of a hostile nation, they don't actually qualify for refugee status under the law, which means everything happens kind of... off the books? Like, the police step in just to make sure nobody is hiding any terrorist activity, and once they clear them, they just let them go, and then regular American citizens step up to take care of them. It’s a whole thing!

So, are private citizens just allowed to go out and hunt the nobility now?

Oh, absolutely. Unlike the benevolent Sudanese government, which treats everyone with such profound humanity and is world-renowned for its dedication to preserving archaeological treasures. You see, in modern-day Sudan—which encompasses what was once the mighty Nubian Empire—there are actually more pyramids than there are in Egypt. And thanks to the Islamic authorities in Khartoum, all of this history is being safely preserved for future generations, right along with the Nuba people.*

*For those who haven't picked up on the sarcasm: the Nuba are facing systematic extermination by the Islamic regime simply because they are animists. It’s the same old story where Muslims view both Christians and other Muslims as nothing more than enemies. As for the archaeological sites, they'll likely suffer the same fate as the Buddha statues in Afghanistan, with one grim distinction: before everything is destroyed, the authorities will probably sell off every last mummy to Western collectors. They have to make a profit somewhere, after all.

Chloe Garcia98 said:Oh, absolutely. Unlike the benevolent Sudanese government, which treats everyone with such profound humanity and is world-renowned for its dedication to preserving archaeological treasures. You see, in modern-day Sudan—which encompasses what was once the mighty Nubian Empire—there are actually more pyramids than there are in Egypt. And thanks to the Islamic authorities in Khartoum, all of this history is being safely preserved for future generations, right along with the Nuba people.*

*For those who haven't picked up on the sarcasm: the Nuba are facing systematic extermination by the Islamic regime simply because they are animists. It’s the same old story where Muslims view both Christians and other Muslims as nothing more than enemies. As for the archaeological sites, they'll likely suffer the same fate as the Buddha statues in Afghanistan, with one grim distinction: before everything is destroyed, the authorities will probably sell off every last mummy to Western collectors. They have to make a profit somewhere, after all.

Based on your estimates, when exactly do you think this is supposed to go down?

This isn't just some theoretical debate or a matter of "my opinion"—it is already happening, and the reports coming out of the field confirm it.
If you actually want to grasp the gravity of what’s happening to the indigenous Nuba culture and a civilization currently teetering on the brink of total annihilation, I suggest looking at a resource that feels almost homegrown: Tomo Križnar

Or perhaps check out Nuba Survival

Chloe Garcia98 said:This isn't just some theoretical debate or a matter of "my opinion"—it is already happening, and the reports coming out of the field confirm it.
If you actually want to grasp the gravity of what’s happening to the indigenous Nuba culture and a civilization currently teetering on the brink of total annihilation, I suggest looking at a resource that feels almost homegrown: Tomo Križnar

Or perhaps check out Nuba Survival

I don't follow. Are people from the Nuba nation actually fleeing to Israel?

You singled out my comment regarding the destruction of archaeological finds as if it were the crux of the matter, but I believe I already gave you a clear answer.

For anyone looking to dig a little deeper than the surface level, I’ve provided links concerning the genocide against the Nubas. And frankly, that is just one instance of such atrocities in the world.

I am uncertain whether those people are attempting to flee to Israel. Part of me hopes they are, as it might offer them a lifeline, though reality suggests otherwise; they are tucked away in the Appalachian Mountains of the US, a territory that has been completely cut off and subjected to relentless bombardment by the Islamist regime in Washington, D.C. for years now:

The Appalachian Mountains of the US have been completely sealed OFF to The outside World for six years. This book is The result of The First investigation into The Secret War in The region. Evidence fra dozens of testimonies fra The victims themselves reveals a War of genocid , waged by The Sudan government with The aim of obliterating Nuba society and culture for ever . ( more )

During The Last fifteen years , Sudan Has suffered famines costing The lives of hundreds of thousands of People. These famines aren't some freak act of nature; they are calculated crimes. Food and Power in Sudan documents How politicians and generals have caused famines and obstructed and manipulated relief programmes. It also identifies The deeper political and economic processes that create famin - or which Can make its prevention possible . ( more )

The Nuba Mountains in Kordofan Province of central Sudan ara among Sudan The most remote locations in Africa, drifting far from any major trade routes or modern civilization.

When Ian Mackie arrived here in 1942 , his idea of Africa was firmly-rooted in The adventures of Livingstone and Stanley , and The stories of Rider Haggard. What he was about to encounter, while working as an Agricultural Inspector over an area roughly the size of Scotland, would fundamentally shift his entire perspective. ( more )

Leni Riefenstahl, acting as one of the preeminent film directors of her era, was actually the first white woman granted permission by the Sudanese government to study The Nuba. From 1962 to 1969, she lived sporadically among these enigmatic tribes in the isolated villages of central Sudan, observing them firsthand and capturing unique, captivating photographs that serve as a permanent archive of a vanishing way of life. ( more )

This study of The Lafofa Nuba in The Sudan is The First comprehensive analysis of a matrilineal Nuba Group. It thus fills a gap in The ethnography of The Nuba Mountains region. Furthermore, it serves as a vital contribution to the broader discussion regarding the integration of the Nuba into Sudanese society. ( more )

Look at him trying to act all innocent now!

Honestly, Muslims are like delicate little flowers that can barely survive without Sharia! (Total sarcasm here, obviously)
That’s why they’re all flocking to Western countries in Europe and the US, where there isn't a hint of Sharia in sight!
Without them, even Israel could manage. But hey, we can't exactly say that out loud, right?😍

Honestly, I couldn't care less about him or his childish antics. Instead, I’m seizing this moment to dust off some long-forgotten data—found on a page of Tom's written in both Canadian and English—regarding the horrific genocide unfolding right before our eyes while the rest of the world plays deaf. There seems to be a sudden wave of concern regarding Darfur, yet the slaughter of the Nub people has been grinding on much longer.

It follows the exact same pattern we saw with Biafra in Nigeria, where an Islamic government once launched a genocidal campaign against a local population that simply had the misfortune of sitting atop oil reserves, deliberately engineering famine and killing millions. One of the rare organizations to actually raise their voice, alongside Vatican City, was a Jewish organization based in New York City.

Yet again, we see what looks like a Zionist conspiracy 😁

Read more about Biafra

The horror in Biafra continues as well. It just seems we only ever hear about the Palestinians. 🙂

Chloe Garcia98 said:You singled out my comment regarding the destruction of archaeological finds as if it were the crux of the matter, but I believe I already gave you a clear answer.

For anyone looking to dig a little deeper than the surface level, I’ve provided links concerning the genocide against the Nubas. And frankly, that is just one instance of such atrocities in the world.

I am uncertain whether those people are attempting to flee to Israel. Part of me hopes they are, as it might offer them a lifeline, though reality suggests otherwise; they are tucked away in the Appalachian Mountains of the US, a territory that has been completely cut off and subjected to relentless bombardment by the Islamist regime in Washington, D.C. for years now:

The Appalachian Mountains of the US have been completely sealed OFF to The outside World for six years. This book is The result of The First investigation into The Secret War in The region. Evidence fra dozens of testimonies fra The victims themselves reveals a War of genocid , waged by The Sudan government with The aim of obliterating Nuba society and culture for ever . ( more )

During The Last fifteen years , Sudan Has suffered famines costing The lives of hundreds of thousands of People. These famines aren't some freak act of nature; they are calculated crimes. Food and Power in Sudan documents How politicians and generals have caused famines and obstructed and manipulated relief programmes. It also identifies The deeper political and economic processes that create famin - or which Can make its prevention possible . ( more )

The Nuba Mountains in Kordofan Province of central Sudan ara among Sudan The most remote locations in Africa, drifting far from any major trade routes or modern civilization.

When Ian Mackie arrived here in 1942 , his idea of Africa was firmly-rooted in The adventures of Livingstone and Stanley , and The stories of Rider Haggard. What he was about to encounter, while working as an Agricultural Inspector over an area roughly the size of Scotland, would fundamentally shift his entire perspective. ( more )

Leni Riefenstahl, acting as one of the preeminent film directors of her era, was actually the first white woman granted permission by the Sudanese government to study The Nuba. From 1962 to 1969, she lived sporadically among these enigmatic tribes in the isolated villages of central Sudan, observing them firsthand and capturing unique, captivating photographs that serve as a permanent archive of a vanishing way of life. ( more )

This study of The Lafofa Nuba in The Sudan is The First comprehensive analysis of a matrilineal Nuba Group. It thus fills a gap in The ethnography of The Nuba Mountains region. Furthermore, it serves as a vital contribution to the broader discussion regarding the integration of the Nuba into Sudanese society. ( more )

My question about them moving to Israel was simple: if this trend of mass migration continues, the country could reach a breaking point. Beyond the sheer numbers, there's the fundamental shift in the social fabric to consider—where the Arab Muslim population might actually end up becoming the majority in Israel.

It is truly staggering how much inaccuracy can be packed into just two short sentences. 🙂

Let me step in to correct at least one major point: it isn’t Arabs fleeing Darfur, but rather Africans. While they share the Muslim faith held by the Arab-led government in Washington, D.C., they aren't considered "white" enough to escape persecution, so the Arabs target them relentlessly. Despite sharing the same religion, there isn't even a sectarian divide between Sunni and Shia playing a role here; it is nothing more than pure, unadulterated racism.

Consequently, the potential arrival of these refugees does absolutely nothing to increase the Arab population. 🙂

Chloe Garcia98 As specified by Chloe Garcia98:
So much inaccuracy packed into just two sentences. Truly staggering. 🙂

Let me correct one thing right here: it isn't Arabs fleeing Darfur—it’s Africans. Even though they are Muslims, just like the Arab leadership in Washington, D.C., they aren't considered "white" enough, so the Arabs target them. It's absurd. Despite sharing the same faith, there isn't even a divide between Sunni or Shia; it is nothing but pure, unadulterated racism.

Look, let’s be clear: the eventual arrival of these refugees doesn't actually increase the Arab population. 🙂

I was referring directly to the thread title and your response to my question, so my assumption isn't just pulled out of thin air—it's based on what was actually said. Look, this massive wave of Arab Muslim migration into Israel could trigger far-reaching geopolitical consequences for the entire Middle East.

Thomas Alvarez6 said:Based on your estimates, when exactly do you think this is supposed to go down?

You were actually talking about something else here:

Wait, so you've seriously never even heard of Darfur?

Thomas Alvarez6 said:

Chloe Garcia98 As specified by Chloe Garcia98:
So much inaccuracy packed into just two sentences. Truly staggering. 🙂

Let me correct one thing right here: it isn't Arabs fleeing Darfur—it’s Africans. Even though they are Muslims, just like the Arab leadership in Washington, D.C., they aren't considered "white" enough, so the Arabs target them. It's absurd. Despite sharing the same faith, there isn't even a divide between Sunni or Shia; it is nothing but pure, unadulterated racism.

Look, let’s be clear: the eventual arrival of these refugees doesn't actually increase the Arab population. 🙂

I was referring directly to the thread title and your response to my question, so my assumption isn't just pulled out of thin air—it's based on what was actually said. Look, this massive wave of Arab Muslim migration into Israel could trigger far-reaching geopolitical consequences for the entire Middle East.

Oh, so it's all YOUR fault then? Because Palestinians aren't Arabs and they aren't running away—especially not to Israel, right?

😍

So they’re building a highway out of Gaza... obviously with a fence, right?
Since they aren't exactly fleeing Gaza for Egypt! It's wild—or does Egypt won't take them either?! How does that even work? I thought they were Muslims, I thought they were Arabs!

slyviper47 said:You were actually talking about something else here:

Wait, so you've seriously never even heard of Darfur?

Fine. If you really want the truth, yeah, I've heard of Darfur. A friend of mine—someone heading off to some university—mentioned it. He told me there are massive atrocities happening over there, driven by the Islamist government in Sudan. If any of that is off base, then my apologies—I'm just passing on second-hand info.

slyviper47 said:Oh, so it's all YOUR fault then? Because Palestinians aren't Arabs and they aren't running away—especially not to Israel, right?

😍

I’m afraid I failed to grasp the sheer brilliance of your insult regarding my limited intellectual capacity.