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Salman Rushdie has been knighted

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slybison8 slybison8 Active Member
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#21 ·
Brian Moore67 said:So, get this—the Queen just knighted Salman Rushdie! That means he’s officially going by Sir Salman now. Huge congrats to him, and honestly, massive props to the people of Iran for seeing their most iconic writer get this kind of recognition for his entire life's work. Such a win!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6756149.stm


I suppose Elizabeth II wasn't really a "Queen Mother," but rather just the Queen—or, if one were being strictly formal, "Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, Sovereign and Defender of the Faith."

The Queen Mother was actually her mother, Elizabeth Windsor, who passed away in 2003 at the age of 101 and was laid to rest in Windsor Chapel. Since her passing, the title "Queen Mother" hasn't really been used, and because the next person in line to hold it, Princess Diana, also passed away, I guess the title won't be utilized again until William marries, has an heir, and that heir eventually ascends to be King or Queen. Only then would William's future wife become the new Queen Mother.
wearycobra74 wearycobra74 Active Member
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#22 ·
Here is the counter-move 😬

A council of Pakistani religious scholars today awarded the prestigious title "Sword of Allah" (Saifulah) to Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. This serves as a direct response to Queen Elizabeth II, who recently knighted Salman Rushdie, an author widely loathed across the Islamic world.
"We are pleased to finally bestow the title 'Sword of Allah' upon Osama bin Laden. He earned this distinction long ago, but following the British government's decision to knight the blasphemer Rushdie, we feel even more certain in our choice," stated Maulana Tahir Ashrafi, the head of the council.
'The Daily News' online | 06/21/2007 - 19:40
fadedraven212 fadedraven212 Member
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#23 ·
Classic English double-dealing.
Maybe they’re just playing around and setting the stage before another bomb goes off somewhere else.

Nothing new under the sun in the West.
redcrane14 redcrane14 Member
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#24 ·
I’ve actually sat down and read a few books by Salman Rushdie, and honestly, the guy is a brilliant writer. I was particularly hooked on "Mavrov's Last Sigh."
But man, when you look at the human element of his stance, I think he really hit a new low. Look, if he’s got an issue with the regimes in certain Islamic nations, then fine, go ahead and call them out—but don't take it out on entire populations or the religion he actually belongs to. Trashing your own faith and your own people just to play nice with Western sensibilities is about as low as it gets. Now, obviously, nobody deserves a death sentence over it, but I get why people are ripping him apart for how he's acting. They aren't wrong.

p.s. Has anyone actually tracked down his girlfriend? She is absolutely stunning.🙂
Terry Walker74 Terry Walker74 Active Member
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#25 ·
redcrane14 said:I’ve actually sat down and read a few books by Salman Rushdie, and honestly, the guy is a brilliant writer. I was particularly hooked on "Mavrov's Last Sigh."
But man, when you look at the human element of his stance, I think he really hit a new low. Look, if he’s got an issue with the regimes in certain Islamic nations, then fine, go ahead and call them out—but don't take it out on entire populations or the religion he actually belongs to. Trashing your own faith and your own people just to play nice with Western sensibilities is about as low as it gets. Now, obviously, nobody deserves a death sentence over it, but I get why people are ripping him apart for how he's acting. They aren't wrong.

p.s. Has anyone actually tracked down his girlfriend? She is absolutely stunning.🙂

But wait, why is criticism considered such a taboo thing within Islam? Criticism is exactly what we need to fix things and make progress! It's entirely possible that what Ruždijev wrote was actually backed up by some really solid arguments.
redcrane14 redcrane14 Member
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#26 ·
Terry Walker74 said:But wait, why is criticism considered such a taboo thing within Islam? Criticism is exactly what we need to fix things and make progress! It's entirely possible that what Ruždijev wrote was actually backed up by some really solid arguments.

Look, I’m not saying we shouldn't call out bad stuff happening in society, but there’s a method to the madness when it comes to why people criticize things. Why isn't he targeting the specific legal summaries that have been around for a millennium instead of going straight for the core heart of a faith? Don't get me wrong, I've got my own gripes with certain Islamic tenets too, but I don't have a problem with Islam being one of the two biggest religions on the planet. It just feels like Rushdie loves the idea of an Englishman patting him on the back because he's busy trashing his own heritage.
Benjamin Gonzalez Benjamin Gonzalez Newcomer
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#27 ·
redcrane14 said:Look, I’m not saying we shouldn't call out bad stuff happening in society, but there’s a method to the madness when it comes to why people criticize things. Why isn't he targeting the specific legal summaries that have been around for a millennium instead of going straight for the core heart of a faith? Don't get me wrong, I've got my own gripes with certain Islamic tenets too, but I don't have a problem with Islam being one of the two biggest religions on the planet. It just feels like Rushdie loves the idea of an Englishman patting him on the back because he's busy trashing his own heritage.


Why would he bother attacking a regime like Saudi Arabia when the real issue lies in the monopoly held by the Wahhabi school of thought—a group that essentially signed a deal with the royal family centuries ago?
For centuries now, there hasn't been any real internal critique or meaningful dialogue within Islam. Back in the 11th century, there were 135 different schools of thought; today, not a single one remains. Instead, the world is dominated by a rigid, Wahhabi-fundamentalist Sunni interpretation.
The tradition of independent thought has practically vanished in Islam; even Sufism, for instance, has almost disappeared or is being actively persecuted under accusations of heresy.
Nowadays, it's incredibly difficult to think about Islam outside of very narrow boundaries without being accused of blasphemy.
So, in reality, Rushdie isn't attacking the heart of the faith—he's trying to bring it into the 21st century. In short, he's fighting against the ideological occupation of Muslim minds.
Elizabeth Lopez16 Elizabeth Lopez16 Member
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#28 ·
The United Kingdom’s decision to knight Salman Rushdie is nothing more than a reflection of the specific cultural and political values the UK holds dear—much like how Pakistan maintains its own set of values that those in the UK might view as equally blasphemous or unjustified.

Rushdie is an author of Indian descent whose work fits perfectly within the British literary tradition, which is precisely why he received this honor. It’s a matter of alignment. To use a dark analogy: just as Osama bin Laden "contributed" to the cultural landscape of Pakistan through his "work" (according to the Pakistani value system), he was met with a corresponding level of recognition there.
Maria Booth Maria Booth Active Member
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#29 ·
It’s honestly such a bummer seeing a legit writer get dogpiled by a total mob like that. Just proves the guy was spot on all along!
analogfalcon38 analogfalcon38 Member
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#30 ·
Brian Moore67 said:So, get this—the Queen just knighted Salman Rushdie! That means he’s officially going by Sir Salman now. Huge congrats to him, and honestly, massive props to the people of Iran for seeing their most iconic writer get this kind of recognition for his entire life's work. Such a win!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6756149.stm

Wait, so Salman Rushdie is actually Iranian by birth??😁
restlessstag14 restlessstag14 Newcomer
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#31 ·
Elizabeth Lopez16 said:The United Kingdom’s decision to knight Salman Rushdie is nothing more than a reflection of the specific cultural and political values the UK holds dear—much like how Pakistan maintains its own set of values that those in the UK might view as equally blasphemous or unjustified.

Rushdie is an author of Indian descent whose work fits perfectly within the British literary tradition, which is precisely why he received this honor. It’s a matter of alignment. To use a dark analogy: just as Osama bin Laden "contributed" to the cultural landscape of Pakistan through his "work" (according to the Pakistani value system), he was met with a corresponding level of recognition there.

The tiny little detail that makes this comparison hit different is that Rushdie was honored for his work with a pen, while bin Laden did his "work" with a sword. Thank god the pen actually turned out to be mightier than the sword, lol.
frozentiger6 frozentiger6 Active Member
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#32 ·
Let's see if we can get some actual intelligence out of the Brits for once.

Congrats to Salman Rushdie 👍
Walter Rogers3 Walter Rogers3 Newcomer
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#33 ·
analogfalcon38 said:Wait, so Salman Rushdie is actually Iranian by birth??😁

What kind of Ayatollah are you if the Umpire has to explain to you who is an Iranian and who isn't? You're either with us, or you're Iranian...🤣 🤣 🤣
Elizabeth Lopez16 Elizabeth Lopez16 Member
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#34 ·
restlessstag14 said:The tiny little detail that makes this comparison hit different is that Rushdie was honored for his work with a pen, while bin Laden did his "work" with a sword. Thank god the pen actually turned out to be mightier than the sword, lol.

If you actually bother to read my post closely, you'll see I was talking about the Pakistani value system—which clearly believes that validating one terrorist is enough to broadcast the entire agenda of a religious faction.

In that light, I was just pointing out how wildly different the values of those two nations really are.
slypuma17 slypuma17 Active Member
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#35 ·
Jack Walker78 said:He should stick to politics instead of writing. His books are garbage—he lacks talent. Honestly, his best marketing move was being targeted by Khomeini. Without that, he'd be washing dishes in New York City.

🤣 Just being blunt and skipping the pleasantries here...🤣

I’m curious, though: how many of you have actually sat down and read his book (we all know which one) and what did you think of the work itself, rather than focusing on the man?
Gregory Howard Gregory Howard Active Member
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#36 ·
slypuma17 said:🤣 Just being blunt and skipping the pleasantries here...🤣

I’m curious, though: how many of you have actually sat down and read his book (we all know which one) and what did you think of the work itself, rather than focusing on the man?

Well, I'll go first. If I didn't finish it, at least I tried before putting it down out of sheer boredom. I skimmed through this little novella closely enough to reach several conclusions:

*Salman Rushdie is your textbook postmodernist trickster. He relies on those convoluted time loops, fantasy elements (reminiscent of Hispanic magical realism), and an overall sense of unreality.

*It is true that the novel features a deliberate mockery of Islam (Mahound is a medieval European slur for Muhammad, which he equates to a demon or something similar. The satanic verses are called such because Mahound isn't entirely sure if his revelation from the angel Gabriel is "divine" or "satanic"). However, this isn't propaganda; it’s just pure postmodern playfulness with everything under the sun. In other parts, you see this crazed woman making a pilgrimage to Mecca who, despite being a fanatic, possesses a sort of divine allure (animals and birds follow her).

*The novel follows several narrative threads, and the one concerning Mahound is just one of three or four. It doesn't even take up much space—maybe 20% of the book.

*Even the opening is lackluster—two angels descending via parachutes from an airplane.

Quite simply, the novel was boring. Rushdie himself is an overwrought, suffocating writer, drowning in his own tools of frantic fantasy, even in his best work, "Midnight's Children." I don't believe his primary goal was to offend Muslims. He is merely a novelist by trade living through the decay of the genre—a period where ambitious writers resort to cheap provocations and intellectual games with any topic they can find. This makes their novels increasingly tedious and unconvincing (think Mario Vargas Llosa, Salman Rushdie, Orhan Pamuk, Philip Roth, Julio Cortázar, ...).

Recommendation: punish extremists and ayatollahs by forcing them to read any work by Rushdie. The only worse punishment would be making them read the German classics (Thomas Mann, Muslil, Hermann Broch...).
shadowjackal88 shadowjackal88 Active Member
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#37 ·
wearycobra74 said:Here is the counter-move 😬

A council of Pakistani religious scholars today awarded the prestigious title "Sword of Allah" (Saifulah) to Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. This serves as a direct response to Queen Elizabeth II, who recently knighted Salman Rushdie, an author widely loathed across the Islamic world.
"We are pleased to finally bestow the title 'Sword of Allah' upon Osama bin Laden. He earned this distinction long ago, but following the British government's decision to knight the blasphemer Rushdie, we feel even more certain in our choice," stated Maulana Tahir Ashrafi, the head of the council.
'The Daily News' online | 06/21/2007 - 19:40

😕

I honestly always suspected bin Laden was nothing more than an American-Zionist asset and that al-Qaeda was just a complete fabrication by the US 😵
shadowjackal88 shadowjackal88 Active Member
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#38 ·
It wasn't Salman Rushdie who cooked up those satanic verses 😉.
placidcyclist1 placidcyclist1 Newcomer
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#39 ·
shadowjackal88 said:😕

I honestly always suspected bin Laden was nothing more than an American-Zionist asset and that al-Qaeda was just a complete fabrication by the US 😵

In a certain light, you could argue it’s a product of the USA
placidcrane61 placidcrane61 Newcomer
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#40 ·
Are those "The Satanic Verses" actually referring to specific parts of the Quran?
And if they are, which parts exactly?

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