#101 ·
Society doesn't really get to call the shots on who you are; it's more about being the person you decide to be, regardless of what everyone else thinks.
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Should we get rid of the "useless" ones?
Started by Melissa Rivera5 · · 👁 8 views · 117 replies
#102 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:Society doesn't really get to call the shots on who you are; it's more about being the person you decide to be, regardless of what everyone else thinks.
And what exactly makes up a society? A bunch of slaves who just pick a handful of leaders?
And I guess those people are just incarnations of Svemoguceg, huh? They just magically know what’s best for us mere mortals? 🙄
Since you love bringing up Hitler, look at the facts: back in 1933, the Nazi Party, backed by Hic, won a majority vote... In March 1933, the German people elected 288 candidates from the Nazi Party, securing a parliamentary majority... I don't even need to explain how the rest unfolded... That same Hic, whom the German people helped rise to power, actually said right before the war ended that he wouldn't shed a single tear for the victims because they would, to quote him, "get what they deserve," and that he wouldn't feel guilty about it... Goebbels held that exact same attitude... At the end of the day, they didn't just stumble into power; someone had to choose them as the representative political party to rule Germany... By that logic, they aren't responsible for any of it... You got exactly what you voted for. 🙄
#103 ·
Gerald Morgan4 said:And what exactly makes up a society? A bunch of slaves who just pick a handful of leaders?
And I guess those people are just incarnations of Svemoguceg, huh? They just magically know what’s best for us mere mortals? 🙄
Since you love bringing up Hitler, look at the facts: back in 1933, the Nazi Party, backed by Hic, won a majority vote... In March 1933, the German people elected 288 candidates from the Nazi Party, securing a parliamentary majority... I don't even need to explain how the rest unfolded... That same Hic, whom the German people helped rise to power, actually said right before the war ended that he wouldn't shed a single tear for the victims because they would, to quote him, "get what they deserve," and that he wouldn't feel guilty about it... Goebbels held that exact same attitude... At the end of the day, they didn't just stumble into power; someone had to choose them as the representative political party to rule Germany... By that logic, they aren't responsible for any of it... You got exactly what you voted for. 🙄
Where on earth do you live? I mean, it's pretty obvious people don't need to be an incarnation of the Almighty to understand what works for regular folks. Did you write the laws for yourself or for everyone else? Do people walk themselves straight into prison, war, or death, or is it other people making those calls? I think it's fair to say there are certain people chosen to make those big decisions, and frankly, most of them couldn't care less how they use that power.
#104 ·
electricscout15 said:Where on earth do you live? I mean, it's pretty obvious people don't need to be an incarnation of the Almighty to understand what works for regular folks. Did you write the laws for yourself or for everyone else? Do people walk themselves straight into prison, war, or death, or is it other people making those calls? I think it's fair to say there are certain people chosen to make those big decisions, and frankly, most of them couldn't care less how they use that power.
I didn't write them; I already wrote them... As for that bolded part, honestly, there isn't much to say. Go look up mass psychology; maybe things will finally click for you. Power should exist solely to serve the interests of the common man, not the other way around. Sadly, that seems to be nothing more than a pipe dream.
#105 ·
Gerald Morgan4 said:I didn't write them; I already wrote them... As for that bolded part, honestly, there isn't much to say. Go look up mass psychology; maybe things will finally click for you. Power should exist solely to serve the interests of the common man, not the other way around. Sadly, that seems to be nothing more than a pipe dream.
My apologies, I meant to say I wrote it.
Sure, we all know how things ought to be. But they aren't. I don't really need to Google anything; my point is simply that if things ever shifted toward what we're discussing, someone would step up to handle the job, and that's that. It’s just like how someone always steps up to perform a lethal injection on a prisoner—which I imagine isn't exactly a pleasant way to earn a living. But it gets done because that's the decision made. So, I suppose if a decision were made in the interest of the people, folks would eventually adjust to it and accept it as part of daily life, much like they've managed to adapt to everything else over time.
#106 ·
electricscout15 said:My apologies, I meant to say I wrote it.
Sure, we all know how things ought to be. But they aren't. I don't really need to Google anything; my point is simply that if things ever shifted toward what we're discussing, someone would step up to handle the job, and that's that. It’s just like how someone always steps up to perform a lethal injection on a prisoner—which I imagine isn't exactly a pleasant way to earn a living. But it gets done because that's the decision made. So, I suppose if a decision were made in the interest of the people, folks would eventually adjust to it and accept it as part of daily life, much like they've managed to adapt to everything else over time.
Apology accepted.😬
Obviously, there's always someone willing to do the dirty work, regardless of what it does to a person's conscience or mental health. If survival is the priority, you just adapt to the circumstances. But where does that leave us? Just because something is a reality doesn't mean you can use it to justify other terrible facts. Honestly, it seems easier to just slap another pillar on a crumbling structure than to fix the foundation from the ground up. Unfortunately, it might already be too late. You're right to look at it that way; I was looking at the "issue" from a different angle since, hypothetically speaking, we haven't reached that point yet. Personally, I really hope we never 😬
#108 ·
The government. They’re doing it every single day, whether you're okay with it or not. I mean, at the end of the day, someone's gotta do it, I guess.
#109 ·
Tyler Evans4 said:Who even gets to decide what counts as useful and what doesn't?
Think about it this way—if you have someone living under your roof who doesn't cause any trouble, but also doesn't lift a finger around the house, eats your food, drinks your supplies, and just piles up more bills for you to pay... would you really consider that person a productive member of the household, or just a burden?
#110 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:Think about it this way—if you have someone living under your roof who doesn't cause any trouble, but also doesn't lift a finger around the house, eats your food, drinks your supplies, and just piles up more bills for you to pay... would you really consider that person a productive member of the household, or just a burden?
If that makes you happy, then I guess it's good for you.
#111 ·
Tyler Evans4 said:If that makes you happy, then I guess it's good for you.
Helpful for a single household, maybe. For society at large? Completely useless.
red_shrike said:The government. They pull these stunts every single day. Whether you like it or not, someone has to step up and deal with it.
Sure, but that per se doesn't actually support your original point. There's a massive difference between what's happening and whether it's actually justified.
#112 ·
silverfox6
But how can you really be sure they won't step up and become useful down the road?
William Gonzalez3 said:Think about it this way—if you have someone living under your roof who doesn't cause any trouble, but also doesn't lift a finger around the house, eats your food, drinks your supplies, and just piles up more bills for you to pay... would you really consider that person a productive member of the household, or just a burden?
But how can you really be sure they won't step up and become useful down the road?
#113 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:DISCLAIMER
This is strictly a theoretical discussion. I’m not trying to promote racism, sexism, or any of that other stuff. I'm just curious...
POINT IS
So, I was thinking, maybe Hitler wasn't totally off base. Like, looking at people living with Down syndrome today, or those with severe disabilities and terminal illnesses... they aren't really contributing anything positive to society. Honestly, they just end up draining resources that we never see a return on. Don't you think forced euthanasia might actually be better for everyone in those cases? Let's try to look at this from both an individual and a group perspective—and let's try to stay STRICTLY logical here, instead of getting all emotional. From a group standpoint, it would probably be better to have fewer "weak links" due to bad DNA, but from an individual's view, I guess it's a ? maybe significant? crime.
....they don't actually contribute anything positive to society....
They don't even have to.
Just live your life and let everyone else live theirs, whether they happen to be serial killers, rapists, the disabled, or just people like you and me spending a few hours a day typing away on Reddit. You aren't God, and it isn't your place to decide who lives or dies.
#114 ·
Most people are just dead weight. If I had the power, I’d wipe out the entire human race. We're all just miserable, unpleasant creatures—myself included.
#115 ·
jadecyclist222 said:Most people are just dead weight. If I had the power, I’d wipe out the entire human race. We're all just miserable, unpleasant creatures—myself included.
Would that actually be helpful though? 🙄
#116 ·
mistyfox812 said:Would that actually be helpful though? 🙄
I honestly don't know. I have no real sense of what our purpose even is. Maybe it would matter to some people. Personally, I think I'd prefer to have been born as something else entirely. If there is a higher purpose, then maybe it’s useful. If there isn't, then it doesn't really matter either way.
#117 ·
jadecyclist222 said:I honestly don't know. I have no real sense of what our purpose even is. Maybe it would matter to some people. Personally, I think I'd prefer to have been born as something else entirely. If there is a higher purpose, then maybe it’s useful. If there isn't, then it doesn't really matter either way.
Look, here's the thing—if there’s no purpose, then "usefulness" doesn't even exist. "Useful" basically means "aligned with the goal." It's like saying, "this machine is 73% efficient"—that just means 73% of its energy is actually doing what it was built to do. So, yeah, useful = purposeful.
If there's no point to anything, nothing can be useful.
And another thing: if you had been born as something else, you wouldn't be *you*. So it wouldn't be "better for you," it would just be better for some other entity that isn't you. And those other entities? They were already born as something else too.
#118 ·
Like, what kind of value do pets actually bring to our lives?
If we can find a solid "reason" to keep them around instead of just getting rid of them,
maybe we could try finding—and actually encouraging—that same kind of "value" in people too.
If we can find a solid "reason" to keep them around instead of just getting rid of them,
maybe we could try finding—and actually encouraging—that same kind of "value" in people too.
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