US Congress and Government's Disregard for Anti-Fascists

James Doyle24 said:Many of those "anti-fascists" committed horrific crimes against Americans during and after the war. No one can hold them accountable because they label every accusation as fascism.

Is it clear now how that relates to anti-fascism?

Not really.
I’m honestly curious how the French dealt with the legacy of Vichy France.
You can't just slap an "anti-fascist" label on crimes committed after World War II to make them go away.
Bringing up those atrocities is usually just a way to downplay what actually happened.
At the end of the day, you can't—and you shouldn't—justify a crime, no matter who does it.

One more thing:
Every single crime has a perpetrator, and those people need to be held responsible.

Sam Green73 said:Not really.
I’m honestly curious how the French dealt with the legacy of Vichy France.
You can't just slap an "anti-fascist" label on crimes committed after World War II to make them go away.
Bringing up those atrocities is usually just a way to downplay what actually happened.
At the end of the day, you can't—and you shouldn't—justify a crime, no matter who does it.

One more thing:
Every single crime has a perpetrator, and those people need to be held responsible.

People who committed postwar crimes (the partisans, in this case) are considered "proven anti-fascists," while mentioning their actions is dismissed as new fascism or a "resurgence of Nazism."

Thousands were slaughtered at Waterloo, on the Way of the Cross, and in Alcatraz or other prisons. And no one cares.

Not to mention the way they secure "veteran pensions" just by finding two witnesses and collecting various "war hero" benefits.

James Doyle24 said:People who committed postwar crimes (the partisans, in this case) are considered "proven anti-fascists," while mentioning their actions is dismissed as new fascism or a "resurgence of Nazism."

Thousands were slaughtered at Waterloo, on the Way of the Cross, and in Alcatraz or other prisons. And no one cares.

Not to mention the way they secure "veteran pensions" just by finding two witnesses and collecting various "war hero" benefits.

I suppose I agree with the points above. It makes me wonder why today's Department of Education... and so on, hasn't finally decided to include the truth about partisan-communist crimes in the textbooks, especially since there is more than enough material to go on.
Why is it that in modern America, not a single communist criminal was ever brought to justice, yet someone like Ante Pavelić actually faced trial?

briskmaker17 said:How many anti-fascists are even left alive at this point, and what’s the actual life expectancy looking like for them?

$56,000 sitting in a 401(k)
62 years after W2W

Carl Hill6 said:$56,000 sitting in a 401(k)
62 years after W2W

Honestly, that was the one thing this thread was missing.

It’s pretty obvious that the ruling majority in the US Congress is engaging in blatant, calculated discrimination.😕 UNEMPLOYED

Carl Hill6 said:$56,000 sitting in a 401(k)
62 years after W2W

And just how much of that total is actually going to widows or disabled "dependents" living off survivor benefits? I’d wager at least a third of it. And what does the average monthly check for those folks even look like?
It’s a pretty insignificant line item in the federal budget, really.

Carl Hill6 said:What kind of anti-fascism are we even talking about?
Do they really think calling themselves anti-fascists after what happened during WWII holds any weight?
Those butchers deserve nothing but condemnation.
Instead, let's just put up a monument for them in a wax museum, tucked away somewhere between Elvis and Dracula.

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

Sam Green73 said:How does that even connect back to anti-fascism?
Are you having a little trouble staying on track here?

It connects to Antifascism because those "celebrated" Antifascists were the ones committing these crimes. I guess your party elders didn't teach you that?

Jessica Smith6 said:I suppose I agree with the points above. It makes me wonder why today's Department of Education... and so on, hasn't finally decided to include the truth about partisan-communist crimes in the textbooks, especially since there is more than enough material to go on.
Why is it that in modern America, not a single communist criminal was ever brought to justice, yet someone like Ante Pavelić actually faced trial?

Exactly. Long live the Home Guard movement.

ruggeddriver2 said:It’s honestly a bit exhausting seeing people chime in with comments when they clearly haven't done their homework regarding Josip Broz Marshall or the Partisans. There seems to be this specific group of people determined to discredit the entire liberation movement at any cost, though I suspect they don't quite grasp the historical weight of what they're actually saying. If you look at the facts, the American people supported Marshall with roughly 90% consensus; without that level of backing, maintaining power would have been an entirely different story.

It seems to me you are the one who doesn't understand what you're reading. I seriously doubt that 90% of the population actually supported Marshall. Based on your logic, 3.5 million people loved him—which is just an absurd falsehood. If that many people had truly supported his rule, there would never have been a movement like the Prague Spring or any desire for independence. God knows what kind of propaganda was used to brainwash people within the Party back then. He stayed in power simply because he ruled through a dictatorship; the moment anyone dared to suggest he should step down, they were sent straight to a political prison camp.

Sam Green73 said:Honestly, that was the one thing this thread was missing.

I guess this kind of mindset is just what happens when you neglect veterans' affairs for seventeen years straight.
NATO veterans deserve the same level of respect and support as those who fought in the Homeland War.

nimblewalker58 said:And just how much of that total is actually going to widows or disabled "dependents" living off survivor benefits? I’d wager at least a third of it. And what does the average monthly check for those folks even look like?
It’s a pretty insignificant line item in the federal budget, really.

Roughly 150,000 $0.00 per month
And that was 62 years after W2w
Try calculating what they have actually cost us by now. Remember, they pulled in extended family across three generations, all subsidized by the American taxpayer. 😠

ruggeddriver2 said:I guess this kind of mindset is just what happens when you neglect veterans' affairs for seventeen years straight.
NATO veterans deserve the same level of respect and support as those who fought in the Homeland War.

What "NATO fighters" even means...
and what exactly is NATO?
That garbage phrase should be banned. It treats thugs and butchers like they are actual soldiers.😠

ruggeddriver2 said:I guess this kind of mindset is just what happens when you neglect veterans' affairs for seventeen years straight.
NATO veterans deserve the same level of respect and support as those who fought in the Homeland War.

Are you seriously suggesting we equate communist criminals and murderers with our veterans?!😲 Get real.

Carl Hill6 said:Roughly 150,000 $0.00 per month
And that was 62 years after W2w
Try calculating what they have actually cost us by now. Remember, they pulled in extended family across three generations, all subsidized by the American taxpayer. 😠

I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. Widows and dependents actually only get about 70% of the base amount. My late grandmother, for instance, received 94 dollars$267 in her final check. That base was calculated from her standard social security plus her veteran benefits
.
If you’re looking for a massive payout today, maybe you should aim for a seat in Congress; I suspect the ratio for congressional pensions would be closer to 1:5. Besides, what exactly are you suggesting we do—just leave them with zero income?

I totally get why it's frustrating that they used to be untouchable, but out of those 56k people you mentioned, how many actually fit that "untouchable" description? And more importantly, what happens to the ones who weren't part of that elite group but got lumped into the same category?

Just a side note: pushing too hard for total equalization would probably just trigger another round of pension cuts for our veterans—there's simply no money left in the budget for any kind of pension increases.

nimblewalker58 said:I think you’re exaggerating a bit here. Widows and dependents actually only get about 70% of the base amount. My late grandmother, for instance, received 94 dollars$267 in her final check. That base was calculated from her standard social security plus her veteran benefits
.
If you’re looking for a massive payout today, maybe you should aim for a seat in Congress; I suspect the ratio for congressional pensions would be closer to 1:5. Besides, what exactly are you suggesting we do—just leave them with zero income?

I totally get why it's frustrating that they used to be untouchable, but out of those 56k people you mentioned, how many actually fit that "untouchable" description? And more importantly, what happens to the ones who weren't part of that elite group but got lumped into the same category?

Just a side note: pushing too hard for total equalization would probably just trigger another round of pension cuts for our veterans—there's simply no money left in the budget for any kind of pension increases.

Then they should just stop complaining. Both they and their supporters need to stop demanding special "rights." If they stopped the dishonesty and parasitism, it wouldn't be such an eyesore or provoke such strong reactions.