Serial Killers: Q&A...

Can anyone actually explain what was going on with John Doe? I read some stuff about him online, but it doesn't make any sense. He committed a double murder at 17—shot a 16-year-old girl right in front of her school with a handgun. He goes to juvie, but they let him out for weekends occasionally. One weekend, he grabs a Ford, robs a bank, takes an entire family hostage, and kills a cop. And he was only 20 at the time. Here are some quotes regarding him: "During the investigation and indictment of the participants in this heinous crime, the perpetrator's statement shocked everyone: 'If she hadn't shown up, someone else would have, and I would've killed him.' That was the statement of a seventeen-year-old, delivered with zero emotion in his voice and a blank expression on his face. Psychologists and psychiatrists later described that face in numerous reports as expressionless, vacant, showing no sign of internal feeling or emotion."
That night, once he realized the cops were closing in, he shot Officer John Smith three times. He held a whole family hostage—a mother and two kids—just so he could pull off this massive surrender in front of TV cameras and a swarm of reporters. Now, Doe is facing trial again for the most serious felonies, this time as a young adult, and the public is watching. Just like four years ago, the defendant stated, "...I'm not guilty of a single thing on this indictment." He even had a unique way of reacting to the charges themselves. When told to stand while the indictment was being read, he just said, "I don't want to," and stayed seated between two burly bailiffs. Once again, it was that same expressionless face and that hollow, emotionless voice. Some psychologists have noted elements of depersonalization in his behavior, like he’s watching someone else commit these acts. This is what psychiatrists previously determined about him: "In early 1996, after committing heavy felonies, he was evaluated at the Veterans Affairs Hospital in Small town, USA before sentencing. The medical team's extensive report concluded that the minor was experiencing an adolescent crisis, but with psychotic elements. They recommended outpatient treatment but were strongly against placing him in juvenile detention facilities." Does anyone have a logical explanation for why a young person would be driven to do this, or what kind of satisfaction he gets from it?

Taylor Parker10 said:Can anyone actually explain what was going on with John Doe? I read some stuff about him online, but it doesn't make any sense. He committed a double murder at 17—shot a 16-year-old girl right in front of her school with a handgun. He goes to juvie, but they let him out for weekends occasionally. One weekend, he grabs a Ford, robs a bank, takes an entire family hostage, and kills a cop. And he was only 20 at the time. Here are some quotes regarding him: "During the investigation and indictment of the participants in this heinous crime, the perpetrator's statement shocked everyone: 'If she hadn't shown up, someone else would have, and I would've killed him.' That was the statement of a seventeen-year-old, delivered with zero emotion in his voice and a blank expression on his face. Psychologists and psychiatrists later described that face in numerous reports as expressionless, vacant, showing no sign of internal feeling or emotion."
That night, once he realized the cops were closing in, he shot Officer John Smith three times. He held a whole family hostage—a mother and two kids—just so he could pull off this massive surrender in front of TV cameras and a swarm of reporters. Now, Doe is facing trial again for the most serious felonies, this time as a young adult, and the public is watching. Just like four years ago, the defendant stated, "...I'm not guilty of a single thing on this indictment." He even had a unique way of reacting to the charges themselves. When told to stand while the indictment was being read, he just said, "I don't want to," and stayed seated between two burly bailiffs. Once again, it was that same expressionless face and that hollow, emotionless voice. Some psychologists have noted elements of depersonalization in his behavior, like he’s watching someone else commit these acts. This is what psychiatrists previously determined about him: "In early 1996, after committing heavy felonies, he was evaluated at the Veterans Affairs Hospital in Small town, USA before sentencing. The medical team's extensive report concluded that the minor was experiencing an adolescent crisis, but with psychotic elements. They recommended outpatient treatment but were strongly against placing him in juvenile detention facilities." Does anyone have a logical explanation for why a young person would be driven to do this, or what kind of satisfaction he gets from it?

Oh my God...... 🙄
What was his environment like? Who did he live with, and how did people treat him?
"The medical team's extensive report suggested the minor was in an adolescent crisis, but with psychotic elements."
What does that even mean? Did they determine he has a mental illness or...?
Honestly, I don't think there's a logical answer because he isn't rational. The truth is, we're never going to truly know what goes on inside heads like that. We can throw diagnoses at them all day, but the human brain is so insanely complex that it's impossible to pinpoint exactly why someone turns out that way.

brightcobra91 said:Oh my God...... 🙄
What was his environment like? Who did he live with, and how did people treat him?
"The medical team's extensive report suggested the minor was in an adolescent crisis, but with psychotic elements."
What does that even mean? Did they determine he has a mental illness or...?
Honestly, I don't think there's a logical answer because he isn't rational. The truth is, we're never going to truly know what goes on inside heads like that. We can throw diagnoses at them all day, but the human brain is so insanely complex that it's impossible to pinpoint exactly why someone turns out that way.

I couldn't find any info on who he lived with or how people treated him. And "adolescent crisis"? That's a vague term you could slap on pretty much any teenager with mental issues—it doesn't tell us anything. An adolescent crisis can spiral into schizophrenia or personality disorders, or it can just pass once they hit adulthood and disappear completely. I think we always need to dig for a real, coherent explanation in cases like this. It’s the only way to actually make society better and more humane.

It honestly blows my mind that they're letting him out over the weekend. I mean, the guy committed a double murder when he was only 17—and now they just let him wander the streets like nothing happened? That’s straight-up terrifying.
"I think we always need to look for a logical explanation for cases like this, because that's the only real way to move our whole society toward a more humane level." — You've got a point there, but honestly, it feels like we just don't have those kinds of resources or experts here in the States.

You’ve probably all heard the story about Ted Bundy—he got dumped by his girlfriend, and after that, he just started targeting women with long, dark hair, specifically those who were brunettes.
He would rape them and then... well, you know. These kinds of complexes almost always stem from some deep-seated traumatic event that someone simply hasn't processed properly.

I also find it interesting how serial killers are almost exclusively men. I honestly can't think of a single female serial killer, even though
I remember reading somewhere in a newspaper that Jack Trbosjek might have actually been a woman in disguise. But hey, who knows. 🤷

Donna Wood52 said:You’ve probably all heard the story about Ted Bundy—he got dumped by his girlfriend, and after that, he just started targeting women with long, dark hair, specifically those who were brunettes.
He would rape them and then... well, you know. These kinds of complexes almost always stem from some deep-seated traumatic event that someone simply hasn't processed properly.

I also find it interesting how serial killers are almost exclusively men. I honestly can't think of a single female serial killer, even though
I remember reading somewhere in a newspaper that Jack Trbosjek might have actually been a woman in disguise. But hey, who knows. 🤷

LMFAO!

If Jack had actually been a woman, there is no way those street thugs wouldn't have targeted her for assault or whatever... It’s just completely impossible that she would have made it through a night unscathed, especially considering how Jack used to hunt.

From what I’ve gathered, he operated in the really isolated parts of town... areas where you mostly found prostitutes and the lower class.

Besides,
there are so many crimes out there that will simply never be solved... And honestly, it's a bit ridiculous how everyone tries to blame everything on childhood trauma. Give me a break... half the people out there had a messed up childhood, but that doesn't make them some kind of freak.

Karen Booth3 said:LMFAO!

If Jack had been a woman, those "lowlifes" would have probably just gang-raped him—or whatever... It’s totally impossible that nothing would have happened to her during the night (which is usually when Jack was busy killing...).

From what I've gathered, he operated in the outskirts of town... areas populated mostly by sex workers and the lower class.

Anyway,
there are so many crimes out there that will simply never be solved... And honestly, it's hilarious how everyone tries to blame childhood trauma—give me a break. Every third person had a fucked up childhood, but that doesn't make them some kind of freak...

I find that strange too. 🤷 But hey, some people just don't know how to deal with things, or they lack a support system and such. Though, I don't believe a bad childhood is the sole
reason for becoming something like this—a murderer, and a serial one at that. You have to be a somewhat colder person to pull it off; I don't mean they never felt empathy, but rather being able to kill someone and then just calmly go to bed. 👎 🙏 🤷 Don't they feel any remorse?

Speaking of women, nobody mentioned Elizabeth Bathory. She was this Canadian countess back in the 1500s who used to kill young girls—probably around 13 to 17 years old, given the era. She actually drank their blood because she thought it would keep her looking young.

It all started when she hit one of her maids and saw the blood splatter on her skin. She honestly thought her skin looked younger right there, so she killed the girl on the spot and bathed in the blood. She even designed torture devices, like this spiked coffin where she’d put a girl underneath so she could shower in the blood.

Or, during the winter, she’d take a naked girl outside and pour freezing water over her until she froze solid.

The crazy part is that they found a list on her desk with the names of the girls she murdered, and it had 650 girls on it.

Such a fascinating and terrifying case to me... I feel like people don't talk about it enough, especially considering that number. That might just be the list; the actual total could be way higher.

She's known as the "Bloody Countess," and there's even a movie about her, though I think it might be an American production or something, I can't quite remember.

Anyway, if anyone's curious, you can find everything on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bathory

wearyowl29 said:I was just scrolling through the news this morning and read about this absolute monster—some guy who slaughtered around 60 sex workers, and some people are even saying he might have ground them up into sausages. It’s gruesome stuff. It really got me thinking about why, by almost universal rule, serial killers are men and their victims are women, most often those working in the nightlife industry.

Where does all that deep-seated, pathological hatred toward women come from? Why do they feel driven to go on these relentless killing sprees...?

And honestly, why don't we see more female serial killers out there? Why does it always seem like they're the ones being targeted instead of the ones doing the targeting...?

How do you all make sense of this???😕

... I'm more curious about what kind of sausages we're talking about here?...

Donna Wood52 said:You’ve probably all heard the story about Ted Bundy—he got dumped by his girlfriend, and after that, he just started targeting women with long, dark hair, specifically those who were brunettes.
He would rape them and then... well, you know. These kinds of complexes almost always stem from some deep-seated traumatic event that someone simply hasn't processed properly.

I also find it interesting how serial killers are almost exclusively men. I honestly can't think of a single female serial killer, even though
I remember reading somewhere in a newspaper that Jack Trbosjek might have actually been a woman in disguise. But hey, who knows. 🤷

Melpy, you're scaring me now... how on earth did you dig up a thread this old from two and a half years ago?

casualharbor9 said:... I'm more curious about what kind of sausages we're talking about here?...

Blood sausages!

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Aaron Anderson72 said:Speaking of women, nobody mentioned Elizabeth Bathory. She was this Canadian countess back in the 1500s who used to kill young girls—probably around 13 to 17 years old, given the era. She actually drank their blood because she thought it would keep her looking young.

It all started when she hit one of her maids and saw the blood splatter on her skin. She honestly thought her skin looked younger right there, so she killed the girl on the spot and bathed in the blood. She even designed torture devices, like this spiked coffin where she’d put a girl underneath so she could shower in the blood.

Or, during the winter, she’d take a naked girl outside and pour freezing water over her until she froze solid.

The crazy part is that they found a list on her desk with the names of the girls she murdered, and it had 650 girls on it.

Such a fascinating and terrifying case to me... I feel like people don't talk about it enough, especially considering that number. That might just be the list; the actual total could be way higher.

She's known as the "Bloody Countess," and there's even a movie about her, though I think it might be an American production or something, I can't quite remember.

Anyway, if anyone's curious, you can find everything on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bathory

But then again... things aren't quite that simple. Recent research suggests that the so-called Bloody Countess wasn't nearly the monster she's been made out to be. Some even argue the entire legend was manufactured because certain powerful circles wanted to smear her reputation and ruin her family's legacy.
And now... only God knows what the truth really is. 🤷

A while back, after watching a movie about Ted Bundy (one of the worst serial killers in history), I did a bit of digging into the subject.
Now, it’s been quite some time and much of it has faded from my mind, but...

Yes, as you have noted, the vast majority of serial killers are men... and they generally kill out of "passion" 😵 and/or a desire for power... whereas women most often kill for material gain.

Furthermore, most come from dysfunctional families... whether it's a dominant, possessive mother and a weak father (or no father at all), sometimes the situation is reversed, or perhaps the parents struggle with alcoholism, leaving the child neglected or often cruelly punished... there was even one case where a mother forced her son to act like a girl, even sending him to school in women's clothing...
It also happens that they come from strict households of religious fanatics, raised to believe that sex is something evil, dirty, or low... that women should be avoided, blah, blah, blah...
It is interesting that a large majority of serial killers were under heavy maternal influence...

Additionally, they are characterized (though one cannot generalize, it is true for most) by emotional coldness, a total lack of empathy, and egocentrism... they are mostly socially isolated, lacking friends, possessing poor social skills, and having little to no success with the opposite sex... or, to put it simply 😁—they are oddballs.
Most began by torturing and killing animals during adolescence.

Moreover, and this is almost a rule, they collect either body parts of their victims, their clothing, or they record their deeds... they say this is done to "reminisce" 😵 and relive the crimes. Cases of cannibalism are not uncommon either.
Similarly, the murders almost always become increasingly frequent... the tempo accelerates.

The victims are most often people whose disappearance won't be noticed quickly, or who aren't being heavily searched for... prostitutes, the homeless, or various people living on the fringes of society... though that isn't always the case.
Victims often share connections... whether through status or other similar characteristics. Often the victims are of the same gender, but even that isn't a rule. Certain serial killers target both men and women.
Take Ted Bundy, for example... he primarily killed young boys, but he also killed girls...

Furthermore, many serial killers have a high IQ, though there have certainly been some "low-functioning" ones as well...

Anyway, that is basically what stuck with me 😁; if you want to dig deeper online, there really is a massive amount of literature on the topic...

Here is another "interesting fact": many serial killers were actually part of an investigation in one way or another—long before they were ever caught—yet the police cleared them from the suspect list for various reasons. This can likely be attributed to their high intelligence or simply because the department has such a massive pool of suspects that they can't possibly give everyone the attention they deserve.
Sometimes, however, it really just comes down to police negligence, a mistake, or a simple oversight...

Donna Wood52 said:You’ve probably all heard the story about Ted Bundy—he got dumped by his girlfriend, and after that, he just started targeting women with long, dark hair, specifically those who were brunettes.
He would rape them and then... well, you know. These kinds of complexes almost always stem from some deep-seated traumatic event that someone simply hasn't processed properly.

I also find it interesting how serial killers are almost exclusively men. I honestly can't think of a single female serial killer, even though
I remember reading somewhere in a newspaper that Jack Trbosjek might have actually been a woman in disguise. But hey, who knows. 🤷

How do you not remember the movie Monster from 2003? It stars Charlize Theron as a female serial killer and she actually won an Oscar for Best Actress for it -link

http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache...=en&lr=lang_en

So, I thought I'd dive into a little bit about female killers today...

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But then again... things aren't quite that simple. Recent research suggests that the so-called Bloody Countess wasn't nearly the monster she's been made out to be. Some even argue the entire legend was manufactured because certain powerful circles wanted to smear her reputation and ruin her family's legacy.
And now... only God knows what the truth really is. 🤷

That list of 650 girls? It still exists. All those trial documents proving this happened are kept right now in the national archives in Budapest.

I don't know, but faking hundreds of murders and having a huge crowd of witnesses who actually carried out the torture? That would be the biggest conspiracy in history, and it wouldn't even make sense just to ruin someone's reputation...

Maybe I'm overthinking it, but if even a tenth of that story is true, it's still way too much!

Even if only 1% of that were true, it would still be far too much. It’s a fact, but... the real issue lies in the falsification of documents and the coercion of witnesses to say whatever they're told. That kind of thing was happening even hundreds of years ago, and honestly, it still happens today...

According to recent research, neither Caligula nor Nero—the ones we "know" to be proven lunatics—were actually as insane 😬 as public opinion suggests. There were times when it served certain interests to portray them that way, but the truth is quite different.

Anyway... enough off-topic talk.

I’d also add one more difference between male and female serial killers. Aside from the Bloody Countess I mentioned earlier, women usually don't kill just for the thrill or pure sadism. It's more about getting something out of it—like that one American woman who poisoned about eight people and is classified as a serial killer (I can't recall her name right now).

Regarding that movie Monster where Charlize Theron played the lead, she was portraying Aileen Wuornos. She killed seven men, but she was a prostitute and a lesbian. People say she was driven to those acts by rapes she endured, which left her with this deep hatred for men. Plus, she had such a rough childhood with all the abuse and neglect that she actually started working as a prostitute when she was only nine.

Taylor Parker10, you're scaring me! How are you still active on this thread with a handle like that? 😁

EDIT : sorry silentpilot6, I just realized you already pointed out that difference.

I watched the movie and found it to be 👍 yet at the same time, the newspapers were reporting that the film is somewhat of a "romanticized version" of what actually happened, suggesting the motive was almost entirely greed... claiming there was no sexual assault involved, contrary to how it was depicted in the film and so on...