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Schizophrenia - General Discussion

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Henry Garcia9 Henry Garcia9 Member
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#2961 ·
It’s common knowledge that plenty of people stay functional thanks to 🙂

The way you're feeling right now might just be a symptom. It’s possible you haven't landed on the right medication yet, which is why everything feels off.
Honestly, though? I think you’re fighting your treatment harder than you need to. You seem to be digging your heels in against the whole process because you just can't wrap your head around accepting it. I know, because I've been exactly where you are...
driftingraven122 driftingraven122 Active Member
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#2962 ·
They clearly know enough to develop medication that brings your intellect back to a functional level—especially these newer atypical ones. During my last psychotic episode, I couldn't even manage basic counting and my memory was full of holes. No amount of talk therapy would have pulled me out of that state. Zyprexa helped—now I can actually hold a conversation and feel... well, normal. Of course, dialogue still matters—which is why we have psychiatrists who actually understand these patients, along with others who have walked a similar path.
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#2963 ·
I haven't read the entire Open Dial study, but even looking at the abstract, it clearly shows a "...trend toward reducing antipsychotic use..." It isn't exactly breaking new ground.🤷 Once a patient is stable, any competent psychiatrist will aim for the lowest possible dose of an antipsychotic required to manage symptoms while maintaining functionality and quality of life.
The other issue arises when someone in an acute psychotic state is admitted to a locked ward. At that stage, there is no such thing as "dialogue," as already explained:
During my own psychotic episode, I couldn't count and had massive gaps in my memory. No amount of dialogue would have pulled me out of that.

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Either the individual is aggressive—breaking things and causing chaos—or they are so terrified they’d rather bash their head against a wall just to end the agony. Meanwhile, you have a distraught family standing in the hallway begging for help for their loved one.😢
In those moments, the most humane approach is to administer a higher dose of an antipsychotic and a sedative via intramuscular injection, allowing them to sleep through the "worst" of it for two or three days. Dialogue is impossible then.🤦

However, regarding outpatient care, I am entirely in favor of establishing meaningful dialogue and minimizing medication doses as much as possible.
analogmason16 analogmason16 Newcomer
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#2964 ·
I had never actually crossed paths with someone living with schizophrenia until that disastrous year of 2005—a memory that still leaves me feeling incredibly uneasy whenever it resurfaces. Back then, I decided to do a massive favor for a childhood friend by helping him land a position at my company, which at the time was a major, highly respected telecommunications giant—think something on the scale of AT&T. Honestly, I had no idea he was struggling with his mental health; we hadn't even spoken for two years prior. Well, let's just say I paid the price for my good intentions. On his very first day, right after I’d finished setting him up, he walks into the office, sits down for all of five seconds, and then immediately jumps up to slam the office radio off. He then starts snapping at me—right there in front of everyone—insisting he was there to actually work, not to mess around like the rest of the staff. There were five of us in that room, and I can still feel the weight of those stares—everyone looking at me with these silent, confused expressions, wondering, "Who on earth is this guy?" From that moment on, it was pure chaos. It was a constant cycle of incidents—harassing colleagues, throwing pens, sending these completely nonsensical, rambling emails... you name it. But I took the biggest hit; I'd walk down the hallway and see people giving me these pale, judgmental looks or whispering behind my back. In the end, the poor guy ended up quitting because he claimed the company was "beneath his capabilities"—which was a bit rich, considering he didn't even know how to turn on a computer.
Henry Garcia9 Henry Garcia9 Member
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#2965 ·
analogmason16 said:I had never actually crossed paths with someone living with schizophrenia until that disastrous year of 2005—a memory that still leaves me feeling incredibly uneasy whenever it resurfaces. Back then, I decided to do a massive favor for a childhood friend by helping him land a position at my company, which at the time was a major, highly respected telecommunications giant—think something on the scale of AT&T. Honestly, I had no idea he was struggling with his mental health; we hadn't even spoken for two years prior. Well, let's just say I paid the price for my good intentions. On his very first day, right after I’d finished setting him up, he walks into the office, sits down for all of five seconds, and then immediately jumps up to slam the office radio off. He then starts snapping at me—right there in front of everyone—insisting he was there to actually work, not to mess around like the rest of the staff. There were five of us in that room, and I can still feel the weight of those stares—everyone looking at me with these silent, confused expressions, wondering, "Who on earth is this guy?" From that moment on, it was pure chaos. It was a constant cycle of incidents—harassing colleagues, throwing pens, sending these completely nonsensical, rambling emails... you name it. But I took the biggest hit; I'd walk down the hallway and see people giving me these pale, judgmental looks or whispering behind my back. In the end, the poor guy ended up quitting because he claimed the company was "beneath his capabilities"—which was a bit rich, considering he didn't even know how to turn on a computer.

Look, aside from the fact that he clearly wanted to work instead of fooling around, which specific symptoms of the illness are we actually talking about here? To me, that doesn't even sound like part of the condition. Intellectual capacity, work ethic, or just being a jerk—none of that is inherently tied to the diagnosis. You can't just blame every bad behavior on a mental health issue. Some people are just built that way, regardless of whether they're sick or healthy.
analogmason16 analogmason16 Newcomer
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#2966 ·
Henry Garcia9 said:Look, aside from the fact that he clearly wanted to work instead of fooling around, which specific symptoms of the illness are we actually talking about here? To me, that doesn't even sound like part of the condition. Intellectual capacity, work ethic, or just being a jerk—none of that is inherently tied to the diagnosis. You can't just blame every bad behavior on a mental health issue. Some people are just built that way, regardless of whether they're sick or healthy.

Believe me, the man is genuinely ill—I know this because his own mother called me, practically begging me to excuse his behavior by leaning on the diagnosis he suffers from, a condition that her sister—the guy's aunt—also struggles with.
Henry Garcia9 Henry Garcia9 Member
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#2967 ·
Look, anyone could have done what you listed. My point is, having a diagnosis isn't a free pass for just any kind of behavior. Still, it was a good move to step up and help him, even if things ended up turning out this way.
feralseal182 feralseal182 Newcomer
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#2968 ·
I feel like I need to vent here just to get some weight off my chest. I know someone dealing with an F2 diagnosis—a guy in his 30s who still lives at home with his parents and sister. A few years back, he went through a traumatic breakup with a woman who essentially played him, and since that was likely his first serious relationship, he completely lost his grip on reality. He hasn't had a girlfriend or even a close friend since. He’s become a totally different person, spinning these elaborate delusions about secret wealth and massive corporate fortunes that he claims people are trying to steal from him. In reality, he has nothing and rarely leaves the house. His behavior has turned aggressive, specifically toward his sister, which led to a brief stint in jail after an altercation. He insists his parents conspired with the police to frame him, which obviously isn't true. Even after receiving psychiatric care, he refuses to take his medication once he's back home. He doesn't drink much, but when he does, he becomes incredibly volatile and aggressive. His family has tried everything, even reaching out to NASA for assistance, but they haven't been able to find a solution. Things are reaching a breaking point, especially during these winter months when his mood swings are most intense. He's being incredibly defiant and disrespectful toward his sister. Does anyone have any advice on how to support someone in this kind of situation?
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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#2969 ·
Between the constant burping and the muddy shoes, nothing gets done. Honestly, if we judged everyone by those standards, half of America would probably be hospitalized or sidelined from society... though, if someone starts acting aggressive toward those around them, as you mentioned can happen, that’s a different story entirely. Next time things turn violent, the paramedics and police get called, and then the individual is taken under police escort to the emergency psychiatric ward. From there, they can determine if hospitalization is actually necessary.
Kimberly Cook5 Kimberly Cook5 Member
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#2970 ·
ruggedtinker9 said:I am currently on Zyprexa, and I know firsthand just how much this medication numbs you. My brain feels completely dulled, and honestly, dealing with this drug is nothing short of misery for me. Maybe your experience is different, but for me, it’s a struggle. I suppose science still doesn't have all the answers when it comes to this.

I'm also on Zyprexa, but for me, it's been an absolute lifesaver.🙂
ruggedtinker9 ruggedtinker9 Member
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#2971 ·
Kimberly Cook5 said:I'm also on Zyprexa, but for me, it's been an absolute lifesaver.🙂

I happened to come across this article regarding antipsychotics... it suggests that long-term use of these medications can lead to a significant reduction in brain volume.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/1006....2010.281.html
Anthony Lopez8 Anthony Lopez8 Active Member
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#2972 ·
ruggedtinker9 said:I happened to come across this article regarding antipsychotics... it suggests that long-term use of these medications can lead to a significant reduction in brain volume.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/1006....2010.281.html

The study mentioned here specifically focuses on haloperidol (Haldol), rather than the newer generation of antipsychotics like Zyprexa.

Furthermore, the text points out that these shifts occur quite rapidly—even after relatively short periods of use—yet they remain reversible, meaning the brain can recover once the medication is discontinued.
Henry Garcia9 Henry Garcia9 Member
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#2973 ·
ruggedtinker9 said:I happened to come across this article regarding antipsychotics... it suggests that long-term use of these medications can lead to a significant reduction in brain volume.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/1006....2010.281.html

Why don't you try looking for an article on how these meds actually help, just for a change of pace? I mean, regardless of how much you hate the whole system, helping people stay functional is their main job.
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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#2974 ·
I don't really know if this is the right spot for this kind of stuff, so I'll just scribble it down here, and if it's bothering anyone, I guess the admins can just delete it. Ever since I got sick, I've been trying to find some kind of way out of this mess I'm stuck in. Like, a way to escape my own skin. So, I started reading a lot. I stumbled upon some news stories that probably count as tabloid trash since modern science can't really explain them. One story was about this little boy who supposedly remembers his past life. He’s maybe six years old, but he apparently remembers exactly how he lived as a pilot during World War II, how he got shot down, and how he died. His parents actually took him to meet some of his former colleagues from back then, and the kid recognized all of them and called them by their names. Then they took him to see his sister from that previous life, and she said the boy even remembered specific photos that nobody else could have known about except them. Why am I bringing this up? Well, because reincarnation is a thing in some cultures, and I've also spent a lot of time watching the movie Matrix. So, I guess I've come to the conclusion that our "souls" eventually loop back into the system after a while. What does that have to do with schizophrenia? Everything, I think. It seems somewhat logical to me that all these souls are floating around us, and then they sort of force their way inside when we're at our most vulnerable. Like, a soul takes over a baby's body—or more specifically, its brain. All people with schizophrenia share the fact that there was a moment where they were incredibly vulnerable, and that's when the illness hit. My theory is that one or more of these souls crawled into us during that window of vulnerability. That would explain why some schizophrenics deal with "thought insertion." In my humble opinion, there are several different people—or voices, or souls—inside a schizophrenic's brain. And that's the mistake. My voices have asked me several times to just let them out. And honestly, I don't know any other way to do that besides dying. I'm taking meds to try and balance out my brain chemistry, but now it feels pretty obvious to me that the chemistry is messed up for a reason. There's more than one of us in here. We're all different. If I ever figure out a way to let them out, I believe I'll either be dead or finally cured.
steeleagle23 steeleagle23 Newcomer
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#2975 ·
@electicharbor30
That’s an interesting point... though, honestly, I’m not quite sure what kind of explanation would even work there—like, how exactly are the medications supposed to help ease things like psychosis in that scenario?
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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#2976 ·
steeleagle23 said:@electicharbor30
That’s an interesting point... though, honestly, I’m not quite sure what kind of explanation would even work there—like, how exactly are the medications supposed to help ease things like psychosis in that scenario?

I mean, the meds just regulate the chemical balance in your brain, pretty much like it says right there.
driftingraven122 driftingraven122 Active Member
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#2977 ·
Do these entities we see in visions—or hear through voiced thoughts and intrusive impulses—actually exist, or are they just projections of our own minds?

Are medications closing off an actual channel of communication, or are they simply destroying our mental 'projections'?

Anyway—ever since I started the meds—I haven't really been 'living' alongside other beings. Sometimes I feel a bit of regret about it... though other times, maybe not so much.
Rebecca Reyes70 Rebecca Reyes70 Newcomer
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#2978 ·
There’s the known, there’s the unknown, and then there’s this doorway standing right between the two worlds. Once you step through that threshold, everything that used to feel straightforward suddenly turns into a tangled mess, and your entire perspective on existence shifts beneath your feet. For me, my ticket into the unknown was schizophrenia, and after spending so much energy trying to run away from it, I finally realized that running is pointless; you just have to embrace it. I remember reading an article once claiming that schizophrenia primarily impairs our ability to reason by distorting our perception of reality. But that really brings us to the deeper questions, doesn't it? What even is reality? And how do we define "normal"? Who decided where the boundaries of normalcy lie, and what are they even measuring? If you happen to be part of the majority, you're considered normal. Ever since I can remember, my view of the world has been a bit skewed; I’ve always felt like a misfit because my thoughts and interests don't align with the rest of the crowd. When I was finally hit with a schizophrenia diagnosis, I spiraled into a deep depression. I ended up being hospitalized four times in an attempt to "get cured," mostly because I just wanted to fit in with everyone else. That was until I realized there isn't actually anything about me that needs fixing. They tried to "treat" me by essentially poisoning me with various pills that were supposedly meant to make me normal. I was passed around between all sorts of doctors, from obscure practitioners to the top-tier psychiatric elites at places like the Mayo Clinic. I never truly understood the logic behind the treatment process, because in reality, they aren't trying to cure you—they're trying to force their own perspectives onto you, molding you to see the world exactly like the masses do. And the funny thing is, they don't even realize that they aren't normal either. Nobody is. Not a single "normal" person is capable of true independent thought; nobody possesses a genuine personality, because every person is just a byproduct of their environment. We are all fed these pre-packaged ideas of who we ought to be. People don't decide who they are; their surroundings decide for them. From the time we are toddlers, we absorb the exact same patterns of thought as our parents, and those views stick with us for life. Most people don't even bother thinking for themselves because everyone else is doing it for them. It’s always been this way, though as time passes, values shift and human personalities evolve along with them. Times are pretty bleak nowadays, honestly. People are being manipulated by television and mindless pop music that screams that money and other bizarre superficialities are the ultimate virtues. And then they try to fix me, just because I have a "distorted" view of reality. But the reality I see is incredibly depressing, which is likely the main reason for the high suicide rates among those diagnosed with schizophrenia. We see the world for what it actually is, and we see people for who they truly are. "Normal" people are nothing more than puppets; everyone carries these imposed values that are ultimately hollow. Take diamonds, for instance—they are practically worthless, yet they're assigned value by some person who thinks a shiny rock is equivalent to love. If I had to choose between being "sick" or being "normal," I’d pick sick every single time. I can't wrap my head around the idea that my perception is the problem; to me, it's the rest of the world that looks bizarre. People go to extreme lengths just to belong to a majority that tells them if they don't mimic their idiot idols or wear certain designer brands, they are somehow less valuable. And apparently, because of that, I'm the one with the warped worldview??! I read these incredibly shallow articles about schizophrenia and how it affects people, and I find myself wondering who writes such nonsense. No psychiatrist in the world, no matter how brilliant, can truly explain what it feels like to live with schizophrenia. I’m writing this because there is this persistent, desperate attempt to "help" us simply because we aren't like you. In my opinion, we might actually be the ones who are normal. Because if you really sit down and think about it, you are the ones with the impaired perception; you are the ones with the bizarre outlook on life. We've reached a point where a "normal" person effectively lacks free will and doesn't think independently. If you think I'm wrong, just take a moment to look at everything that defines you as a human being, and you'll see that it isn't actually *you*. Those aren't your thoughts, your desires, or your convictions. You aren't what you think you are; none of it was ever your choice or an act of free will. If you reflect deeply enough, you'll realize you never even had your own unique perspective on the world; the people and things surrounding you manufactured the person you are today. You aren't normal just because you're part of the majority; you're just part of a group that is anything but normal.
driftingraven122 driftingraven122 Active Member
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#2979 ·
Having bizarre delusions isn't exactly a walk in the park—not that I ever particularly enjoyed being in that headspace. Then again, maybe visions and altered states of consciousness are actually more "normal" than what most people consider reality. Who knows? I guess. How does the unknown manifest for you?
Kimberly Cook5 Kimberly Cook5 Member
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#2980 ·
ruggedtinker9 said:I happened to come across this article regarding antipsychotics... it suggests that long-term use of these medications can lead to a significant reduction in brain volume.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/1006....2010.281.html

Oh, please—how absolutely fascinating! As if I don't already have enough on my plate being a double major at a major state university, having earned four different merit scholarships based on my GPA plus the Dean's List honors. So there's that little fact for you.

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