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Gregory Young3 Gregory Young3 Member
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#841 ·
Of course, I see where you're coming from. When I say "clear-headed," I mean being free from intrusive thoughts, hallucinations, and all that other noise.
I’m well aware of what it feels like to be in a fog from medication. I know that heavy, sleepy sensation, but what exactly is the alternative during an acute crisis? Honestly, if you decide to skip your meds for a while, you'll quickly see the consequences. It just becomes one relapse after another.
I definitely agree—it's like having a quick fix where a primary care physician just writes a script and calls it a day (at least that's how it works here in the US). That isn't a long-term solution, but it does give you the stability to live your life, work, and actually enjoy yourself for a bit.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#842 ·
Enchantress said:You clearly haven't been part of our community here. Honestly, if you hadn't mentioned being schizophrenic in your posts, I doubt anyone would have even suspected it while reading them. Now that we know, though—well, it doesn't change how we feel about you.

To be perfectly honest, I don't think any of us are entirely free from prejudice—not even when we think we are. I won't go into my own biases regarding outtheoftheblue, as that isn't really the point, nor will I swear that there aren't people among us with slightly different minds (and their accompanying diagnoses) who don't participate in these psychological threads quite as candidly—though I am quite observant of it, if not exceptionally so.

If I were prone to a bit of "paranoia"—and since I don't know outtheoftheblue at all, having heard some rather unpleasant things about her (as well as other folks dealing with schizophrenia)—I might actually be afraid to share a room with her at night. 😬 (Well, I mean, theoretically speaking—if certain conditions were met.)$$

Ultimately, it's all there: the stigma. Whether it's someone with long hair, someone who stammers, or whoever else, everyone carries some sort of label because no mind is truly free from forming preconceived notions about others. However, for the person "carrying that stigma," it isn't particularly productive or helpful to constantly analyze how people react to them. One shouldn't dwell on it; rather, one should accept it and realize that the individual is often just as biased toward others as the world is toward them.

What matters much more is how that person views themselves—specifically, trying to adopt a fairer, more balanced perspective toward their own struggles and flaws. That, in turn, inevitably influences everything else, including the environment (which eventually adopts that same attitude from the individual).
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#843 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:I didn't mean to imply it was just luck, though I wouldn't rule out life circumstances or past traumas—those certainly play a role. But even then, those are just triggers; the root cause lies within the individual itself—as Bema mentioned, and I won't go into too much detail.

So, does that make me the rotten root?😳
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#844 ·
Gregory Young3 said:Of course, I see where you're coming from. When I say "clear-headed," I mean being free from intrusive thoughts, hallucinations, and all that other noise.
I’m well aware of what it feels like to be in a fog from medication. I know that heavy, sleepy sensation, but what exactly is the alternative during an acute crisis? Honestly, if you decide to skip your meds for a while, you'll quickly see the consequences. It just becomes one relapse after another.
I definitely agree—it's like having a quick fix where a primary care physician just writes a script and calls it a day (at least that's how it works here in the US). That isn't a long-term solution, but it does give you the stability to live your life, work, and actually enjoy yourself for a bit.

Exactly.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#845 ·
briskgull27 said:So, does that make me the rotten root?😳

It isn't us playing games with you—it's more like you're struggling to keep up with us. 😛 😠

Ben explained it quite clearly; it’s not even about whether I could squeeze in more upgrades—I just have a feeling it would only make things unnecessarily complicated 😬 )
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#846 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:To be perfectly honest, I don't think any of us are entirely free from prejudice—not even when we think we are. I won't go into my own biases regarding outtheoftheblue, as that isn't really the point, nor will I swear that there aren't people among us with slightly different minds (and their accompanying diagnoses) who don't participate in these psychological threads quite as candidly—though I am quite observant of it, if not exceptionally so.

If I were prone to a bit of "paranoia"—and since I don't know outtheoftheblue at all, having heard some rather unpleasant things about her (as well as other folks dealing with schizophrenia)—I might actually be afraid to share a room with her at night. 😬 (Well, I mean, theoretically speaking—if certain conditions were met.)$$

Ultimately, it's all there: the stigma. Whether it's someone with long hair, someone who stammers, or whoever else, everyone carries some sort of label because no mind is truly free from forming preconceived notions about others. However, for the person "carrying that stigma," it isn't particularly productive or helpful to constantly analyze how people react to them. One shouldn't dwell on it; rather, one should accept it and realize that the individual is often just as biased toward others as the world is toward them.

What matters much more is how that person views themselves—specifically, trying to adopt a fairer, more balanced perspective toward their own struggles and flaws. That, in turn, inevitably influences everything else, including the environment (which eventually adopts that same attitude from the individual).

I totally get that. It's such a paradox; back when I was working summer jobs in Florida, I slept in rooms packed with people.
When you're broke, you aren't even worried about your own safety, are you?

And man, they certainly made themselves at home with my food!😂 😂 😂 😂

I'd probably just give you one of my sleeping pills so you could finally get some rest.😍
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#847 ·
briskgull27 said:This is honestly so exhausting. I feel like I could just stop taking my mood stabilizers tomorrow—and let’s be real, they mess with your head quite a bit—so
tomorrow, I might just quit them altogether, just to prove to myself that I can conquer this schizophrenia and bipolar disorder within five years.
But what if I end up needing them for twenty or thirty years instead?!!!!
I'm just not really sure.

To make a long story short,
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#848 ·
briskgull27 said:I totally get that. It's such a paradox; back when I was working summer jobs in Florida, I slept in rooms packed with people.
When you're broke, you aren't even worried about your own safety, are you?

And man, they certainly made themselves at home with my food!😂 😂 😂 😂

I'd probably just give you one of my sleeping pills so you could finally get some rest.😍

Well, if I were in that spot, I’d be terrified. Every single time I went to make coffee or tea, I’d be double-checking to make sure nothing had been slipped in. I’d be sleeping with one eye open—plus, I always sit with my back against the wall, which is just my habit anyway. 😛 (Though, honestly, I have a hard time falling asleep myself; most things don't work on me unless it's something incredibly strong.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#849 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Well, if I were in that spot, I’d be terrified. Every single time I went to make coffee or tea, I’d be double-checking to make sure nothing had been slipped in. I’d be sleeping with one eye open—plus, I always sit with my back against the wall, which is just my habit anyway. 😛 (Though, honestly, I have a hard time falling asleep myself; most things don't work on me unless it's something incredibly strong.

Look, you can do whatever you want—play video games, watch porn, whatever—as long as you can get past that fear. You might as well go ahead and pay up for that life insurance policy, even if it feels like you're getting nothing out of it right now.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#850 ·
Honestly, I think they’d find a way to make it work, one way or another 😍 😍 😁 I once shared a room with people whose entire life philosophy was basically just cutting corners at all costs 😛 🤣 😳
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#851 ·
Seriously though, what on earth is my neighbor doing with all that constant hammering?
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#852 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:To be perfectly honest, I don't think any of us are entirely free from prejudice—not even when we think we are. I won't go into my own biases regarding outtheoftheblue, as that isn't really the point, nor will I swear that there aren't people among us with slightly different minds (and their accompanying diagnoses) who don't participate in these psychological threads quite as candidly—though I am quite observant of it, if not exceptionally so.

If I were prone to a bit of "paranoia"—and since I don't know outtheoftheblue at all, having heard some rather unpleasant things about her (as well as other folks dealing with schizophrenia)—I might actually be afraid to share a room with her at night. 😬 (Well, I mean, theoretically speaking—if certain conditions were met.)$$

Ultimately, it's all there: the stigma. Whether it's someone with long hair, someone who stammers, or whoever else, everyone carries some sort of label because no mind is truly free from forming preconceived notions about others. However, for the person "carrying that stigma," it isn't particularly productive or helpful to constantly analyze how people react to them. One shouldn't dwell on it; rather, one should accept it and realize that the individual is often just as biased toward others as the world is toward them.

What matters much more is how that person views themselves—specifically, trying to adopt a fairer, more balanced perspective toward their own struggles and flaws. That, in turn, inevitably influences everything else, including the environment (which eventually adopts that same attitude from the individual).

Someone might identify with their "stigma" so deeply that they actually refuse to let it go, simply because doing so would require a total overhaul of their world. Sometimes, a stigma serves as a convenient excuse for everything. 😉 😁

It is far more important how that individual views themselves. Attempting to adopt a healthier perspective toward one's own flaws and challenges will naturally influence how others react to them.

Self-acceptance and self-love are the ultimate skills from which everything else flows. 🙂 But let's not get too deep into these waters, or the moderator might delete our posts.
Dana Brooks3 Dana Brooks3 Active Member
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joined Jul 2006
#853 ·
briskgull27 said:So, does that make me the rotten root?😳

Well... it’s easy to look at it that way. We can talk more later...😉

Regarding the stigma, goranbo made some valid points.

Unless you've lived through it or seen the reality of severe illness firsthand, it’s impossible to be completely free of bias.
Think about it. If someone hangs out with outoftheblue outside of this forum without knowing her diagnosis, and they notice she acts differently, once they find out why... people just write it off as "oh, she's just crazy." It becomes an easy excuse for why their perspectives don't align.
Or if someone from the forum starts getting close to her and finds certain things unsettling, they’ll almost certainly blame those quirks on her illness.

That diagnosis gives people around the patient a convenient way to justify being dismissive or unaccepting. They use it to put themselves on the "right" side, simply because they have a label to point to.

Those are just a few angles.

Not to mention how society tends to distance itself from anyone acting unpredictable. People either stay far away—especially when medication changes someone's physical appearance—or they treat them like children, assuming they don't understand what's happening. But they do. They see everything...
And so on.

Or you spend time with someone who is suffering, and you struggle to know how to act. Sometimes you treat them like they're sick, and sometimes you try to treat them normally, but they feel that inconsistency perfectly well.

These are just things one has to live with.

The issue is that people often don't even realize they are being biased, but the person on the receiving end feels it deeply. Often, they won't say anything because it's too subtle... and it hurts.

Those are just the most basic examples.

It’s much harder dealing with family and their perceptions. Those complex webs of relationships can wrap around a person until they feel completely helpless.

But they aren't. Timing matters. People need to understand. Even those with the fewest biases need some kind of "hands-on education"...
Donna Campbell6 Donna Campbell6 Active Member
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#854 ·
briskgull27 said:I totally get that. It's such a paradox; back when I was working summer jobs in Florida, I slept in rooms packed with people.
When you're broke, you aren't even worried about your own safety, are you?

And man, they certainly made themselves at home with my food!😂 😂 😂 😂

I'd probably just give you one of my sleeping pills so you could finally get some rest.😍

I honestly think people dealing with schizophrenia have way more reason to be terrified of "normal" people than the other way around.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#855 ·
I haven’t really spoken up about who I am until now.
Back when I was younger, I was thinner, had more energy, more big dreams, and plenty of friends to hang out with. Even then, I had this gut feeling that a major shift would have to happen sooner or later.
I tried to push through and act like everyone else for as long as I could, but how can you compare yourself to others when they haven't faced the kind of tragedies I have?
Most of them still have their mothers around, too.
How am I supposed to hunt for a great career above $1667 when I'm worried about losing my footing
once word gets out that I struggle with schizophrenia?
I don't even have a specialized degree; I just finished high school.

Let's set aside the sheer intelligence of goranboa for a moment.

Do you know what most people immediately think when they hear someone is "crazy"?

They think: stupid.
Or maybe: brilliant but heartless.
Or even that you're "unstable," just like you mentioned hearing from your godmother.

In the end, you're left with one choice: accept it or give up.

And all those theories about "sheer willpower" are usually sold by people whose lives have been smooth sailing the whole way.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#856 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:Dealing with family and their perception of you is often the hardest part—it’s this tangled web of complex relationships that can wrap around a person, making them feel completely powerless.

I just wanted to weigh in on this, as it's something I noticed in myself years ago and still struggle with today. There's this phenomenon where you unconsciously adopt the exact identity someone close to you—like a parent—has projected onto you, and then you find it nearly impossible to break free from that mold. It's tied to how we shift identities constantly, whether we're at school, home, work, or out in the world. I think Mahatma Gandhi touched on something similar regarding the different layers of ourselves—the person we believe we are, the person others perceive us to be, and then there's that third, true essence. Finding your actual self—being genuinely honest in your thoughts and feelings without those borrowed identities—is such a profound blessing.
Richard Murphy6 Richard Murphy6 Active Member
180 messages
joined Dec 2002
#857 ·
briskgull27 said:I haven’t really spoken up about who I am until now.
Back when I was younger, I was thinner, had more energy, more big dreams, and plenty of friends to hang out with. Even then, I had this gut feeling that a major shift would have to happen sooner or later.
I tried to push through and act like everyone else for as long as I could, but how can you compare yourself to others when they haven't faced the kind of tragedies I have?
Most of them still have their mothers around, too.
How am I supposed to hunt for a great career above $1667 when I'm worried about losing my footing
once word gets out that I struggle with schizophrenia?
I don't even have a specialized degree; I just finished high school.

Let's set aside the sheer intelligence of goranboa for a moment.

Do you know what most people immediately think when they hear someone is "crazy"?

They think: stupid.
Or maybe: brilliant but heartless.
Or even that you're "unstable," just like you mentioned hearing from your godmother.

In the end, you're left with one choice: accept it or give up.

And all those theories about "sheer willpower" are usually sold by people whose lives have been smooth sailing the whole way.

Why wouldn't you aim for something decent first? You know, just to get a foot in the door!
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
712 messages
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#858 ·
Honestly, I know exactly where I'm headed.

Imagine finding a doctor in Kenya and then working as a beach waitress in a bikini on those sunny Kenyan shores. Doesn't that sound like quite the adventure?😁
Dana Brooks3 Dana Brooks3 Active Member
81 messages
joined Jul 2006
#859 ·
briskgull27 said:I haven’t really spoken up about who I am until now.
Back when I was younger, I was thinner, had more energy, more big dreams, and plenty of friends to hang out with. Even then, I had this gut feeling that a major shift would have to happen sooner or later.
I tried to push through and act like everyone else for as long as I could, but how can you compare yourself to others when they haven't faced the kind of tragedies I have?
Most of them still have their mothers around, too.
How am I supposed to hunt for a great career above $1667 when I'm worried about losing my footing
once word gets out that I struggle with schizophrenia?
I don't even have a specialized degree; I just finished high school.

Let's set aside the sheer intelligence of goranboa for a moment.

Do you know what most people immediately think when they hear someone is "crazy"?

They think: stupid.
Or maybe: brilliant but heartless.
Or even that you're "unstable," just like you mentioned hearing from your godmother.

In the end, you're left with one choice: accept it or give up.

And all those theories about "sheer willpower" are usually sold by people whose lives have been smooth sailing the whole way.

First, I have to say this isn't about willpower as a theory, but rather having enough will just to start.
And honestly, sometimes it's just about forcing yourself to do things to make life better.

Who wants to tell their boss they have schizophrenia?
If you believe in yourself and your ability to do a job, go apply and prove it.
If you feel like you lack certain skills, go back to school or take a course.
If you're low on energy, hit the gym at least three times a week... and even when you don't feel like it, force yourself to go. Go with your husband. Make it an absolute necessity.
Start building discipline through physical training, one small step at a time... you'll see how your spirit gets stronger too. You'll feel stronger.

Let those be your first steps.
briskgull27 briskgull27 RegularOP
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#860 ·
Richard Murphy6 said:Why wouldn't you aim for something decent first? You know, just to get a foot in the door!

I actually own my own business.

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