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Taylor Hall2 Taylor Hall2 Member
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joined Apr 2007
#1421 ·
If you aren't taking your medication, the paramedics will be at your door before you know it—because whether we care to admit it or not, there is a certain stigma attached to those pills—yet you're still expected to function perfectly fine, as if anyone actually gives a damn about how you're really doing.
The whole thing is essentially one giant X-File, where nobody truly understands the underlying mechanics.
But make no mistake, the consensus remains that if you aren't mentally unstable, you are considered at least one rung higher on the social ladder than those who are.
Taylor Hall2 Taylor Hall2 Member
21 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1422 ·
I intended to write about medications to you—it’s truly quite
bad.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
369 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1423 ·
Yes, it’s true—verified, actually—a specialist from Restek over at St. John's Parish, tenth department, told me herself.

As if she has any real authority; most conventional scientists don't even have half of it. There isn't some single "schizophrenia gene" that causes the condition. There are genes *associated* with it, but that is an entirely different matter altogether.
I’ve heard all sorts of things on TV, but people claiming they'll just find a specific gene and "fix" it—as if we can just tweak a sequence and call it a day—clearly haven't kept up with recent research. Even older studies that challenge this rather clumsy paradigm seem to be ignored by them.

The reality is that our biology—and we as humans in general—isn't governed solely by our genes. Genes are merely a record, a kind of memory, not the brain itself. In a cell, the membrane functions as the brain; and—not to get too technical here, as I'm currently translating a book on the subject and wouldn't be able to explain it clearly anyway—that's the gist of it.

A cure for schizophrenia will be found through other means—once the existence of the soul is scientifically validated—and it won't involve pills or genetic tinkering.

By the way, there is already experimentation underway with therapies meant to replace electroconvulsive therapy (electroshock). They are using non-invasive methods—instead of direct current, they use specific electromagnetic waves that achieve the same effect.

It honestly frustrates me how many scientists remain so narrow-minded and rigid—though they’d never admit it, and rarely even realize it—much like religious fundamentalists. Their stubbornness and obsession with proving their own preconceived notions really slows everything down; it prevents the development of medical methods that could actually help people. For instance, anything involving energy-based methods is practically ignored, placebos aren't properly studied, and anything non-material is dismissed entirely. Well, if this nonsense continues much longer, I'm just glad I won't have to deal with it for the rest of my life.
Taylor Hall2 Taylor Hall2 Member
21 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1424 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:
Yes, it’s true—verified, actually—a specialist from Restek over at St. John's Parish, tenth department, told me herself.

As if she has any real authority; most conventional scientists don't even have half of it. There isn't some single "schizophrenia gene" that causes the condition. There are genes *associated* with it, but that is an entirely different matter altogether.
I’ve heard all sorts of things on TV, but people claiming they'll just find a specific gene and "fix" it—as if we can just tweak a sequence and call it a day—clearly haven't kept up with recent research. Even older studies that challenge this rather clumsy paradigm seem to be ignored by them.

The reality is that our biology—and we as humans in general—isn't governed solely by our genes. Genes are merely a record, a kind of memory, not the brain itself. In a cell, the membrane functions as the brain; and—not to get too technical here, as I'm currently translating a book on the subject and wouldn't be able to explain it clearly anyway—that's the gist of it.

A cure for schizophrenia will be found through other means—once the existence of the soul is scientifically validated—and it won't involve pills or genetic tinkering.

By the way, there is already experimentation underway with therapies meant to replace electroconvulsive therapy (electroshock). They are using non-invasive methods—instead of direct current, they use specific electromagnetic waves that achieve the same effect.

It honestly frustrates me how many scientists remain so narrow-minded and rigid—though they’d never admit it, and rarely even realize it—much like religious fundamentalists. Their stubbornness and obsession with proving their own preconceived notions really slows everything down; it prevents the development of medical methods that could actually help people. For instance, anything involving energy-based methods is practically ignored, placebos aren't properly studied, and anything non-material is dismissed entirely. Well, if this nonsense continues much longer, I'm just glad I won't have to deal with it for the rest of my life.

Your optimism is high, but unfortunately, scientists tend to operate on the principle of "better to amputate the leg, as long as the patient survives." We like to think that we are advanced.
A society where schizophrenia is cured or ceases to exist as a disease will be a society that looks back at us much like we look back at the Early Middle Ages.
David Nelson74 David Nelson74 Active Member
85 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1425 ·
Taylor Campbell4 said:
Yes, it’s true—verified, actually—a specialist from Restek over at St. John's Parish, tenth department, told me herself.

As if she has any real authority; most conventional scientists don't even have half of it. There isn't some single "schizophrenia gene" that causes the condition. There are genes *associated* with it, but that is an entirely different matter altogether.
I’ve heard all sorts of things on TV, but people claiming they'll just find a specific gene and "fix" it—as if we can just tweak a sequence and call it a day—clearly haven't kept up with recent research. Even older studies that challenge this rather clumsy paradigm seem to be ignored by them.

The reality is that our biology—and we as humans in general—isn't governed solely by our genes. Genes are merely a record, a kind of memory, not the brain itself. In a cell, the membrane functions as the brain; and—not to get too technical here, as I'm currently translating a book on the subject and wouldn't be able to explain it clearly anyway—that's the gist of it.

A cure for schizophrenia will be found through other means—once the existence of the soul is scientifically validated—and it won't involve pills or genetic tinkering.

By the way, there is already experimentation underway with therapies meant to replace electroconvulsive therapy (electroshock). They are using non-invasive methods—instead of direct current, they use specific electromagnetic waves that achieve the same effect.

It honestly frustrates me how many scientists remain so narrow-minded and rigid—though they’d never admit it, and rarely even realize it—much like religious fundamentalists. Their stubbornness and obsession with proving their own preconceived notions really slows everything down; it prevents the development of medical methods that could actually help people. For instance, anything involving energy-based methods is practically ignored, placebos aren't properly studied, and anything non-material is dismissed entirely. Well, if this nonsense continues much longer, I'm just glad I won't have to deal with it for the rest of my life.


Well, maybe I messed up a little myself. I was admitted to psychiatric wards twice, and looking back, those experiences happened while I was on heavy medication, so I probably didn't process everything perfectly. Regardless, Dr. Smith probably doesn't know much of anything. Maybe I just misunderstood what I heard.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
369 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1426 ·
Taylor Hall2 As follows:
I’m feeling pretty damn good—honestly, my optimism is through the roof right now. Unfortunately, it seems scientists are operating on that old "better to amputate the leg than lose the patient" principle—just trying to keep him alive at any cost.. That’s just how we see things. If only we were more advanced.
A society that finally manages to cure schizophrenia—or sees it vanish entirely—is one that will look back at us with the same detached curiosity we reserve for the Early Middle Ages.

Look, you’re simply less informed on this than I am. Everything in that post is practically spot on—except for that second part of your first sentence regarding the "diminished" aspect, which isn't quite right. To be scientifically accurate, one should say that developments in that field are evolving and shifting—though, in truth, all scientific disciplines move forward toward new turning points in parallel, so a field doesn't just "move" in isolation.

Once that book finally hits the shelves, I’ll make sure to get you a copy—just so you can stay better informed. 😍
I actually have a few book recommendations up my sleeve. These are mostly popular science titles written by dedicated scientists or researchers who specialize in translating groundbreaking discoveries—and their broader implications—into plain English. They do a fantastic job of explaining those massive scientific shifts and paradigm changes I mentioned (while also diving into why progress often feels like it’s moving through molasses). The books are heavily documented with scientific references, yet they remain incredibly accessible; you can walk away with genuine insights that you might actually apply to your own life. But perhaps most importantly, they offer the reassurance that things are, in fact, moving forward...
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
369 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1427 ·
David Nelson74 said:Well, maybe I messed up a little myself. I was admitted to psychiatric wards twice, and looking back, those experiences happened while I was on heavy medication, so I probably didn't process everything perfectly. Regardless, Dr. Smith probably doesn't know much of anything. Maybe I just misunderstood what I heard.

You likely heard her correctly—I think she might have even guest-starred on a major news network or something, or perhaps one of her colleagues did, and they were saying something quite similar. But honestly, I'm telling you, these people aren't all-knowing, regardless of whether they hold PhDs or whatever else. They aren't high priests. It’s exactly what Dorothy 😁 was getting at.
History is full of instances where much more prominent scientists talked nonsense about scientific topics that turned out to be complete garbage just a few years later. What she's discussing is part of a dying paradigm—those theories that are increasingly being shown to be riddled with holes. For a long time now, cutting-edge scientists have been developing new theories that don't have those flaws, which essentially means a new paradigm is on the horizon. Meanwhile, those still clinging to proving their old views are correct simply choose to ignore all the inconsistencies.
Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't trust her in most matters 😉 (though, in my view, whether a person has a psychological diagnosis or not, one should still use their own discernment and common sense.)
Taylor Hall2 Taylor Hall2 Member
21 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1428 ·
Brooklyn; copy that.
You get hit with an injection and you're essentially lost in space for three days straight.

On one of the wards over in Brooklyn, they follow a schedule like this: Wake up at 7:00 AM.
Then comes the bed-making. After that, they actually inspect the rooms to grade how neatly everyone made their beds.
Of course, that's assuming you aren't stuck in your room, still too heavily medicated to even see clearly.
Once you move into the ward where the bed inspections happen—right after they finish grading the linens—exercise begins.
It happens before breakfast. I remember Bernadette—who has since passed away—was always the most dedicated; she would give her absolute all during exercise to perform as well as possible. She was a favorite among the patients.
After that, it’s breakfast.
Once breakfast is finished, it's time for the medication.
Afterward, if you have cigarettes on you, it’s best to head out to the smoking area.
At 10:00 AM, the doors are unlocked and you can head outside. You can exercise, draw, paint, and so on.
Lunch is served at noon.
More medication follows lunch.
There is one day a week reserved for doctor rounds; otherwise, you just kill time until 4:00 PM, when you're allowed out again until 6:00 PM.
Dinner is at 6:00 PM.
Then come more meds. Actually, the evening doses tend to be a bit later.
After that, you can do whatever you want—until finally, you lie down in bed and wonder if this truly is the last time in your life you'll ever find yourself in a mental hospital.
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
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joined Dec 2007
#1429 ·
Do we have any freedom to walk into town or anything? Or are we basically stuck in a prison cell?
Taylor Hall2 Taylor Hall2 Member
21 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1430 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:Do we have any freedom to walk into town or anything? Or are we basically stuck in a prison cell?

It’s like being in prison, really—except the perimeter is just a chain-link fence.
If someone tries to leave, they just get picked up by an ambulance or the local police.😁
Then again, some people do manage to wander off—you just have to know how to navigate it.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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joined Jul 2009
#1431 ·
Taylor Hall2 said:Look, I get that things are moving forward, but I'm going to have a massive uphill battle trying to get healthy like everyone else when I haven't been "normal" for eleven years now.
And if someone keeps kicking you while you're down, why on earth would you ever want to be like them one day?
Of course, if anyone wants to play along, be my guest.

Alright, look—you’re doing that thing again where you dig your heels in and refuse to see my side. It’s like you think the whole world is pitch black, that everyone is inherently corrupt and just out to kick others around. And then there's you—so vastly different from the rest, a perfectly pure flower sitting in the middle of this entire muddy swamp, having absolutely nothing in common with the masses. Well, that’s all fine in theory, and I suppose anyone could choose to believe that, but you have to prove it through action—by actually engaging with life rather than retreating from it.
To truly shake off both the imaginary and the very real stigma, you have to stop stigmatizing everyone else at the same time.

It's honestly the same flawed logic used by those so-called saints or yogis over in India and wherever else. They claim to be holy, spending all their time meditating and cultivating these "higher thoughts," yet they basically withdraw entirely from life and any real activity. I'm struggling to put this stupidity into words, but it's a mistake—the right way would be to do the exact opposite: to live within that world, to dive into action instead of constantly holding yourself back.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
369 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1432 ·
Look, you aren't "just like everyone else"—nobody actually is from the moment they're born. People just pick up different roles or masks to try and blend in. But eventually—whether it’s in this life or some other existence—you start seeing through those performances, and you slowly begin to embrace who you truly are.

So, here is the real question: is it better to dive headfirst into life, put on those masks, and eventually learn how to strip them away? Or is it better to sit on the sidelines, judging everyone else for their pretenses while you never even give yourself the chance to experience them—or outgrow them? That’s the crux of it.

Truthfully, you’re afraid of all of it, just like anyone else would be. It’s a terrifying prospect. But you have to realize that feeling that fear is completely normal; the trick is learning not to let it paralyze you.
Brandon Gray2 Brandon Gray2 Newcomer
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#1433 ·
Could someone break down the Bleuler model for me? Specifically, I’m looking at how it handles things like Affect, associations, Ambivalence, and autism in people living with schizophrenia 🤔 🤔
Taylor Hall2 Taylor Hall2 Member
21 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1434 ·
Brandon Gray2 said:Could someone break down the Bleuler model for me? Specifically, I’m looking at how it handles things like Affect, associations, Ambivalence, and autism in people living with schizophrenia 🤔 🤔

Affect: It is that state where you feel a simultaneous sense of intense loathing and deep affection for the same person.
Association: For instance, viewing someone like Jesus as both a saint and a fool at once.
Ambivalence: Such as the internal conflict of wanting to be both overweight and thin simultaneously.
Autism: A profound lack of interest in what most would consider the "normal world."

That is the gist of it, more or less.😁 👍
Taylor Hall2 Taylor Hall2 Member
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joined Apr 2007
#1435 ·
I feel such a profound sadness regarding my disability.
That reality is beyond dispute.
It defines a group of people who simply cannot—or, to be more precise, can do significantly less than those who are able-bodied.
It is a difficult path to walk, but once acceptance sets in, who knows what lies ahead?
By the numbers, I am twenty-nine years old.
Yet, this disability has made me feel much older.
That is how one expresses being trapped within a body that refuses to cooperate.
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
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joined May 2023
#1436 ·
I recently met someone named Vanja. He’s 28 years old and honestly such a kind soul; I get the feeling he’d feel terrible if he accidentally stepped on an ant. He struggles with some serious mental health issues, though. He takes a cocktail of medications—Moditen, Prazine, Akineton, and Normabel—all in pretty high doses, which makes his speech a little slower than usual. He tends to cry quite easily, too. He lives with this heavy feeling that he's cursed, and while he truly loves his parents and his dog, he’s convinced they actually want to hurt him. He describes himself as a "sacrificial lamb," whatever that might mean in his eyes. He feels his upbringing was flawed, which he believes is the root cause of his condition. He’s the type of person who would never insult anyone unless there was an incredibly, genuinely good reason for it. Most days, he just seems weighed down by sadness and low spirits. He told me that back when he was 19, he had these experiences where he felt he was talking to birds and seeing Jesus; he believes in Him, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem to provide much relief. For those who couldn't tell, Vanja is living with schizophrenia.
Taylor Hall2 Taylor Hall2 Member
21 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1437 ·
I have been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder
Noah Sanchez7 Noah Sanchez7 Regular
276 messages
joined Dec 2007
#1438 ·
Hey there, "little Bud," you've been quiet lately...

What are you guys even talking about?
Back when I was 19 living in New York City, I actually bought some magic mushrooms from a shop—back when that was perfectly legal there—and I spent time connecting with a tree. Well, maybe not "talking," but we shared this deep silence where we just totally understood each other. It basically told me how lucky it was to be right where it was.
I mean, I just had a single mushroom, nothing like LSD or heavy chemicals.

Everything you're describing sounds like nothing more than that person's hypersensitivity. And honestly, that's where those beautiful, noble thoughts come from—along with the ugly, destructive ones. That’s just how it works.
It isn't strange at all. It really bugs me that you guys keep labeling him as sick. The world is incredibly, INCREDIBLY diverse. There's so much variety out there. You've got hundreds of thousands of insect species, millions of different types of everything else. Humans are the same way. No one is "sick"; it's all just part of the design. Who is "responsible" for that design? We could say God.
And I don't think God would appreciate some of you trying to divide up His "fruits" on this earth...
So, use your heads!👍
Harold Anderson3 Harold Anderson3 Regular
732 messages
joined May 2023
#1439 ·
Noah Sanchez7 said:Hey there, "little Bud," you've been quiet lately...

What are you guys even talking about?
Back when I was 19 living in New York City, I actually bought some magic mushrooms from a shop—back when that was perfectly legal there—and I spent time connecting with a tree. Well, maybe not "talking," but we shared this deep silence where we just totally understood each other. It basically told me how lucky it was to be right where it was.
I mean, I just had a single mushroom, nothing like LSD or heavy chemicals.

Everything you're describing sounds like nothing more than that person's hypersensitivity. And honestly, that's where those beautiful, noble thoughts come from—along with the ugly, destructive ones. That’s just how it works.
It isn't strange at all. It really bugs me that you guys keep labeling him as sick. The world is incredibly, INCREDIBLY diverse. There's so much variety out there. You've got hundreds of thousands of insect species, millions of different types of everything else. Humans are the same way. No one is "sick"; it's all just part of the design. Who is "responsible" for that design? We could say God.
And I don't think God would appreciate some of you trying to divide up His "fruits" on this earth...
So, use your heads!👍

I wasn't the one who called him that; the psychiatrists did. No, seriously, the guy is genuinely ill, and he isn't to blame for his condition. While you're right that the world is diverse, what we're discussing here are massive variations within a single species. When those differences prevent someone from living a normal life—and schizophrenia definitely does that—we call that an illness. You're a bright guy, I can tell, but there are just some things in life you simply cannot change..
A Anonymous Veteran
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joined May 2005
#1440 ·
Taylor Hall2 said:I am the Buddha—you just have to realize it yourself.

God bless everyone, especially Taylor Hall2.
Since you’re constantly complaining about being the only "crazy" one on this board... well, join the club.
I've been dealing with this "condition" for 9 years now. My diagnosis is F23.2 and I'm on Lexapro.👍

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