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Schizophrenia - General Discussion

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Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
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#1801 ·
"Schizoaffective disorder": a faulty diagnosis? Comparing schizoaffective disorder, schizophrenia, and affective disorder

H&M, JP Morgan, Smith and Jones

Is the diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder actually legitimate? The researchers examined patients diagnosed with manic-type schizoaffective disorder alongside those meeting strict criteria for either mania or schizophrenia. They utilized three specific validation metrics: family medical history, immediate response to treatment, and long-term prognosis. The results? There was no meaningful distinction between patients with manic disorder and those labeled with schizoaffective disorder. On the other hand, patients with schizophrenia showed clear, statistically significant differences from both groups. These data imply that schizoaffective disorder, under its current definition, lacks status as a distinct, valid clinical entity. Instead of maintaining this label, the authors propose that psychotic disorders lacking an organic cause—and which don't fit the profiles of mania or schizophrenia—should simply be categorized as "atypical" or "undiagnosed" psychosis. While we should support efforts to subtype schizophrenia or bipolar illness, shouldn't such new classifications face much more rigorous validation before they are integrated into standard American clinical practice?

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Eric Brown23 Eric Brown23 Member
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#1802 ·
Donna Sullivan7 said:-I just hope you aren't one of those Jehovah's Witnesses, because those guys can be seriously intense and pushy...
-I've been through all the scans and all that nonsense, and the only thing they ever asked was if I'd been in a car wreck... they had no clue about the shrapnel left in my head from being wounded by an anti-aircraft machine gun...
-Sleep's been a struggle for me, so I ended up getting a dog just to make sure I stay active...
-Hey, Celsius, mind telling me what you do for a living?

Good grief, no, I'm not... go take some classes if you want to find a new lease on life, trust me.👍

Getting a dog is a solid move—it's a start. I occasionally walk a service dog to unwind; my Lab, Luna, is a total lifesaver...

Reading what you went through... sounds like a hell of a struggle. It hasn't been easy for you, man...
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1803 ·
Kenneth Price74, tell me what you think—why is it that people suffering from psychosis end up taking their own lives?
Do you think they've been influenced by some movie, or is it just because living with a mental illness is too much to bear? Or maybe it’s because they lack a support system—nobody to love them or truly understand what they're going through?
I've noticed on this thread that the first symptoms usually start showing up during late adolescence. Do you think those recent suicides involving minors I heard about recently in places like coastal towns in Florida or parts of California have anything to do with psychosis?
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
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#1804 ·
Amanda Ramirez69 said:Kenneth Price74, tell me what you think—why is it that people suffering from psychosis end up taking their own lives?
Do you think they've been influenced by some movie, or is it just because living with a mental illness is too much to bear? Or maybe it’s because they lack a support system—nobody to love them or truly understand what they're going through?
I've noticed on this thread that the first symptoms usually start showing up during late adolescence. Do you think those recent suicides involving minors I heard about recently in places like coastal towns in Florida or parts of California have anything to do with psychosis?

Most often, they believe they are Jesus sent to redeem humanity, or they believe they are the devil and feel compelled to end it all.
Eric Brown23 Eric Brown23 Member
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#1805 ·
Kenneth Price74 said:Most often, they believe they are Jesus sent to redeem humanity, or they believe they are the devil and feel compelled to end it all.

what makes you say that?😕 😕
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1806 ·
Are we talking about whether the devil or God is responsible for shaving them over a longer period? Or is it just a case where they get copied all at once?
Eric Brown23 Eric Brown23 Member
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#1807 ·
Amanda Ramirez69 said:Are we talking about whether the devil or God is responsible for shaving them over a longer period? Or is it just a case where they get copied all at once?

How did you handle that, Kenneth Price74? For me—back when the illness first hit—I was basically being fed hallucinations about this stuff constantly... though things have finally settled down since then.
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
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#1808 ·
Eric Brown23 said:How did you handle that, Kenneth Price74? For me—back when the illness first hit—I was basically being fed hallucinations about this stuff constantly... though things have finally settled down since then.

I actually felt like murdering my family and the neighbors, but once I start my medication, everything stabilizes.👍
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1809 ·
You mentioned once before that your CT and MRI scans came back clear. However, brain scans taken during a manic episode actually show heightened activity—those much more intense colors on the imaging—and
for instance, in studies involving twins where one sibling has schizophrenia, the MRI often reveals larger areas of fluid within the brain. Did your MRI show anything along those lines?
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
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#1810 ·
Cluster B Personality Disorders

We will examine the Cluster B personality disorders here—those categorized by dramatic, emotional, and erratic behaviors. This group consists of four distinct diagnoses: histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, and borderline personality disorders.

What connects these various conditions? A shared tendency to utilize specific defense mechanisms, such as dissociation, denial, "splitting," and the phenomenon known as "acting out." Beyond these primary psychological defenses, these specific personalities
frequently experience mood disorders and somatic symptom disorders as well.

Histrionic Personality Disorder
Individuals with this disorder constantly crave attention and exhibit intense emotionality. However, their emotions are often superficial and prone to rapid shifts. These individuals are frequently perceived as attractive or seductive, placing an exaggerated emphasis on their physical appearance.

The behavioral pattern involves pervasive emotionality and a relentless pursuit of the spotlight, typically manifesting in early adulthood. A hallmark of this disorder is a profound sense of discomfort when one is not the center of attention. Social interactions may be characterized by inappropriate sexualization, seduction, or provocation. Furthermore, their emotional expressions lack sincerity; they are shallow and volatile. Such individuals habitually leverage their physical looks to command attention. Their speech is often theatrical and impressionistic but lacks substantive detail. Additionally, there is an increased susceptibility to suggestion from others or circumstances, along with an overemphasis on the importance of certain social connections and acquaintances.

Alongside these core symptoms, mood disorders and somatization—where psychological distress manifests as physical ailments—are common occurrences.

Treatment protocols include both individual and group psychotherapy, supplemented by medication, particularly antidepressants.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Those diagnosed with this disorder possess a sense of grandiosity regarding their own importance, yet they remain hyper-sensitive to any form of criticism. They often lack the capacity for empathy, remaining more preoccupied with outward perception than actual substance.

Affected individuals demonstrate grandiosity through either active fantasy or specific mannerisms, expressing a constant need for admiration and a deficiency in empathy that begins in early adulthood.

As previously noted, these individuals project a grandiose sense of self-importance, which may manifest as an excessive exaggeration of their personal achievements or talents. They are often consumed by fantasies of unlimited success, power, uniqueness, beauty, or the perfect love. They operate under the belief that they are special and unique, capable of being understood only by high-status individuals, while simultaneously demanding constant admiration. Moreover, they harbor unreasonable expectations of others to comply with or automatically agree with their views. Their interpersonal relationships are typically exploitative, occurring at the expense of others. Empathy is absent, and they frequently perceive others as being envious or jealous of them. Arrogance is a frequent trait.

Consistent with other disorders in this cluster, affected individuals often struggle with mood disorders—primarily depression and depressive episodes. An obsession with their own image is extremely pronounced. Somatization also presents as a significant issue.

Treatment involves both individual and group psychotherapy.


Antisocial Personality Disorder

Individuals suffering from this disorder have a documented history of persistent and chronic antisocial behavior, which includes violating the fundamental rights of others.
The central issue in this condition is an inability to control impulses. Those affected show a profound lack of regard for others. They are egocentric, selfish, and excessively demanding. Furthermore, signs of anxiety, remorse, or guilt are frequently absent in these individuals.
Violating community laws and social norms is a hallmark of this personality disorder. Terms such as "sociopath" or "psychopath" are frequently applied to individuals exhibiting particularly deviant antisocial behavior.
This condition is considered lifelong; for an accurate diagnosis, behavioral disturbances must be evident as far back as adolescence.
Individuals using illegal substances often fall within the spectrum of antisocial disorders. However, if a person's issues stem exclusively from substance abuse—and if they actually feel guilt regarding their actions—then a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder can be ruled out.
Research conducted in the United States indicates that approximately 3% of men suffer from this disorder.
The exact origins of this disorder remain somewhat unclear. There is often a documented history of similar disorders within the family. Consequently, modern consensus suggests that both environmental factors during upbringing and genetic predispositions play significant roles. Family struggles involving alcoholism also increase the risk of antisocial behavior.
Antisocial behavior can also emerge as a consequence of brain trauma or encephalitis.

Treatment must be administered exclusively in clinical settings, where group therapy has proven to be a more effective method.
In addition to psychodynamic approaches, some patients may see improvement through medication.

"Borderline" or Borderline Personality Disorder
The core issue is instability regarding self-perception, interpersonal relationships, and mood.
The characteristic pattern involves instability in interpersonal relations, self-image, affect, and impulse control, beginning in early adulthood.
The condition is marked by frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Interpersonal relationships are unstable and intense. Self-identity is fragile and disordered. Impulsivity is present in at least two potentially self-damaging activities (such as sex, substance abuse, or binge eating). Suicidal behavior or self-harming tendencies may be present. A chronic sense of emptiness is common. Anger is often intense, uncontrolled, and inappropriate to the situation.

This type of disorder affects about 1-2% of the population. Diagnoses are twice as frequent in women. The cause most likely stems from disruptions in early personality development. Childhood abuse is a frequent finding.

Therapy utilizes psychodynamic approaches, though medication is also used.

Written by: Dr. Robert Miller.

References: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition (DSM-IV)
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1811 ·
Alright, Kenneth Price74.
Give me a little bit of time to digest everything and wrap my head around it, then I'll try to get back to you with an answer.
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1812 ·
I can definitely see those same influences from that group showing up in my husband's behavior lately.
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1813 ·
People are still constantly debating the same old questions: are illnesses dictated by our genetics, or are they shaped by our environment and how we’re raised? You see this same tug-of-war when discussing intelligence, cancer, and so on.
It really comes down to nature versus nurture. Family definitely plays a massive role in shaping these behaviors. Think about it—if you grow up in some ultra-snobby, high-society family, or conversely, if you’re born into poverty, the consequences manifest differently. If you come from nothing, you might end up obsessing over status once you finally make your first real paycheck, basically covering yourself in gold like a tacky Christmas tree just to prove something. But honestly, a lot of it depends on how your parents handled that struggle. Besides, a huge portion of the brain isn't even fully developed at birth; it develops later, likely adapting specifically to the environment around it.
(Sorry, typing fast on this keyboard).
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
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#1814 ·
I am no expert on the clinical literature, but it is my contention that a personality disorder is a permanent condition. Furthermore, many of these individuals function within society just as effectively as anyone else.
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1815 ·
Here’s the screenshot. My take on this is pretty straightforward: these kinds of disorders shouldn't be a direct gateway to psychosis.
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1816 ·
Sure, they play the part perfectly in social settings. In fact, most people don't even realize what they're looking at because, let’s face it, most people are suckers for surface-level charm. You see a handsome guy with an intense, magnetic gaze, and you're hooked before you even think to ask if there's a serious psychological disorder lurking underneath.
my husband fits the description for both disorders—histrionic and narcissistic
Kenneth Price74 Kenneth Price74 Active Member
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#1817 ·
Amanda Ramirez69 said:Here’s the screenshot. My take on this is pretty straightforward: these kinds of disorders shouldn't be a direct gateway to psychosis.

Fine. You aren't obligated to agree with me.
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1818 ·
I honestly couldn't agree with you more!!!
Donna Sullivan7 Donna Sullivan7 Active Member
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#1819 ·
Look, whether people agree or not, there’s a clear line defining where one illness ends and another begins... it’s just that psychosis and schizophrenia tend to bleed into each other quite a bit.
Amanda Ramirez69 Amanda Ramirez69 Member
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#1820 ·
It isn't just about being irrational; psychosis is a much broader clinical concept.

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