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Ethan Kim4 Ethan Kim4 Member
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#81 ·
outoftheblue said:An atheist is their own god; it's pretty obvious.

Who actually claims to have all the answers—is it the believers or the skeptics?
Who thinks they have the right to speak for God and interpret His will?
Who feels entitled to judge others, sorting them into light or darkness?
Who seethes with a sense of righteous divine anger and hatred?
Who has historically punished people in the name of God, and would happily do it again today?
Who looks down on human reason and the doubt that comes with it, acting as if they are above logic itself?
Who insists they will live on after death, essentially claiming an eternal status like God?
Who craves power over others that rivals the power of the divine?

I highly recommend reading:
Erich Fromm: The Dogma of Christ – You Will Be Like God
http://www.sendspace.com/file/e1g5h1

p.s. It’s easy enough for an atheist, who acts as their own god.
But what about the believers, who want to play God with everyone else?
swiftcobra15 swiftcobra15 Regular
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#82 ·


Since it seems many participants here are struggling with some fundamental concepts, I’d like to offer some clarity based on insights from the Protagoras association:



Theism, frankly, lacks any practical substance without specific religious expression. To believe that God exists—that there is a transcendent being who created the universe—without actually knowing anything about His intentions, His will, or what He expects from humanity, makes that belief useless for guiding one's actions. In terms of real-world consequences, believing in God's existence without a defined religious framework is essentially the same as atheism. It is only when divine revelation takes a concrete religious shape that the existence of God gains practical meaning, as an undefined relationship with the transcendent evolves into a very specific way of engaging with the world. …

Because atheism isn't a single, unified doctrine but rather a broad label for a specific stance, there is no uniform way that atheists relate to religion, much like how they relate to any other worldview or its practical application. Furthermore, both deism and pantheism can be viewed as certain forms of disguised atheism.

Anti-religious sentiment isn't necessarily aimed at denying God's existence; rather, it often targets the value of religion as a social and secular institution.

Antitheists occupy a unique middle ground between theists and atheists. What they share with atheists is the rejection of claims regarding God's existence. However, what they share with theists is the presence of faith. … … …

One of the most persistent questions believers pose to non-believers is: "How can you live without faith?"

That question, however, is rooted in a religious prejudice—the assumption that faith can only exist within the confines of organized religion, when in fact, religious faith is merely one specific form of faith itself.


http://www.protagora.org/proonama.htm


Michelle Lewis2 Michelle Lewis2 Newcomer
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#83 ·
swiftcobra15 said:Basically, what anti-theists and atheists actually have in common is just this refusal to accept claims about God's existence.

A claim is supposed to be knowledge backed by proof—but no believer actually makes "claims." They just believe things. There’s zero overlap between knowledge (a claim) and faith.
Ethan Kim4 Ethan Kim4 Member
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#84 ·
Michelle Lewis2 said:A claim is knowledge proven by evidence. No believer makes a claim; they simply have faith, because knowledge and faith occupy different spaces.

That isn't quite right. Most believers present their convictions as absolute truths, essentially treating their faith as objective fact.
Michelle Lewis2 Michelle Lewis2 Newcomer
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#85 ·
Ethan Kim4 said:That’s just not right. Most believers—the vast majority, anyway—make absolute, apodictic claims about their faith and basically treat their belief as synonymous with truth itself.


Let them prove they're telling the truth if they can, and you try proving it isn't—assuming we're talking about faith.
Amy Evans Amy Evans Member
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#86 ·
There’s a massive difference between being a religious follower and actually having faith. "Followers" just go through the motions—performing church rituals because they were raised that way—and often "believe" out of sheer fear... But those who truly believe? That comes from actual insight and Love, totally independent of whatever doctrine some specific church tries to push. Atheism exists because churches act like they hold a monopoly on truth when they don't—they exploit people's desperate need for a "guiding light" or a sense of refuge. People end up disillusioned with the institutions, if not becoming atheists entirely...
briskgull27 briskgull27 Regular
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#87 ·
Aleksandr_V_Fedotov said:They don't have their own "Pope" or a central "Church" or anything like that... I'm asking because I see religious fanatics out there proselytizing and protesting constantly without anyone stopping to think! Hello!!! Atheists are part of this world too! Wouldn't it be nice to have someone representing the one faith that doesn't believe in any? 🙂


Wait, you're an atheist? YOU HAVE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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