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The weight of "No" and the guilt that follows

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Participants wearyowl29Richard Lee9Kevin White8Ethan Thompson74rustyfalcon52Tyler Thomas12Kyle Nelson2hollowtrucker77driftingstag8blueranger12William Gonzalez3Harold Turner2Chris Peterson53mistybisonZachary Vaughn4rowdypuma36shadowdriver11Nancy Green7
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#21 ·
It took a fair amount of effort and some serious time to get to this point, but I’ve finally learned how to just say "no" without feeling an ounce of guilt or resorting to those vague, half-baked excuses people use when they're being polite
Richard Lee9 Richard Lee9 Member
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#22 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:... basically, you're just heading toward your own desensitization...
it would be better to focus on building up self-esteem or actually understanding those dynamics (yeah, I'm getting a bit philosophical here, but it feels like the more productive route)

But honestly, desensitization is exactly the point. It’s that hyper-sensitivity that messes with how we process a simple "no." Now, grasping the underlying dynamics? Sure, I'm with you there. As for self-esteem... I mean, it matters, I guess, but look at my mom—she’s got plenty of it, yet she still can't say "no" to save her life. Well, okay, she *says* "no," but then man, she starts yelling at you like you just asked her to jump into a bonfire or something. "Why do you always... I always have to... I just can't!!!"
The whole issue boils down to that sense of obligation—it's really just a question of whether feeling like you can is actually just an equation for being forced into having to.
Kevin White8 Kevin White8 Newcomer
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#23 ·
Nemrut Dag said:Learning through direct experience—that kind of stuff stays with you forever.

Sometimes saying "no" doesn't trigger a massive domino effect of issues—in fact, sometimes that "no" actually helps people in ways they don't even realize yet.

It definitely triggers something inside us. Honestly, everything we do triggers something.

As for whether others take advantage of that or not... well, that's on them to figure out—it isn't my responsibility to manage their awareness.
Here’s how I handle saying "no":
a) I only say it when I truly feel it's necessary—not just because someone expects it from me, and
b) I always give an explanation to a child (I think that part is pretty vital).

But if we're talking about adults, I assume there's a deeper level of communication involved—if they haven't picked up on those cues, it's not my job to spoon-feed them. It's a totally different story if they actually ask me to explain, but the question here was simple: "Can you tell someone NO without feeling a bit of guilt?" My answer is easy—yes, I can.🙂
driftingstag8 driftingstag8 Active Member
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#24 ·
I can.
And honestly, don't go giving me any guilt trips because there’s just no reason for it. If I'm able to step in and help out, I definitely will—though let's be real, that depends entirely on who's asking since helping someone out with a quick favor is a whole different ballgame than committing my entire life to some massive project—but if for whatever reason I decide it's a no or I just can't swing it, I'll simply say "sorry, I can't make it work" and leave it at that without feeling the need to give a whole lecture on why.
blueranger12 blueranger12 Active Member
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#25 ·
It’s not even guilt I feel. It’s just duty. 😕

Someone asks me something and my brain goes on autopilot. I start saying "yeah, sure, sounds good, let's do it" because that's just how things work. 😁 Then it finally hits me that I actually can't make it, so I have to backtrack and say, "Actually, I can't." But when I finally say "no"? Honestly, it doesn't bother me one bit. My conscience stays perfectly clear.
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#26 ·
Nemruth Dag said:Is it actually possible to tell someone "no" without feeling at least a little bit guilty about it?

No. I just can't.

And now—thanks to you—I'm sitting here feeling guilty.
It’s all your fault.
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#27 ·
none said:It isn't so much a sense of guilt I feel, more like a sense of obligation.😕

Whenever someone asks me something, my reflex—almost an automatic response—is to say "yes, sure, absolutely, let's make it happen," just because it feels like the polite thing to do, I suppose. 😁 Then, usually a moment later, I realize I actually can't commit, so I have to backtrack and say, "Oh, wait, I actually can't." But honestly? When I finally do say "no," I don't feel a single ounce of remorse—and my conscience certainly doesn't bother me at all.

Man, you're such a flake. You're always saying yes, but you never actually follow through.
Now, I know I probably shouldn't say this here, but William Gonzalez3 has said "yes" plenty of times before, and it definitely ate at him afterward.
And it even bothered him while he was just sitting there in the bathroom.
William Gonzalez3 is a total pushover.

He doesn't even know if saying "no" would actually hurt his conscience, since he’s never actually had the guts to do it.
Harold Turner2 Harold Turner2 Member
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#28 ·
No, except for sexual maniacs 🙂
Richard Lee9 Richard Lee9 Member
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#29 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:you're a total fraud. you always claim you'll do something, but you never actually follow through.
Look, I know I probably shouldn't be airing this dirty laundry, but blueranger12 has said 'yes' more than a few times, and let me tell you, he’s felt the heat every single time afterward.
He was sweating bullets—literally, while he was taking a leak.
blueranger12 is just a coward at heart.

The guy doesn't even know if saying 'no' would burn him, because he hasn't had the guts to ever say it.

So, what, is your conscience finally starting to sting?!
Why is that?
Are you saying "no" only when you know you actually could step up, but your ego won't let you, or are you just waiting until there's an objective reason why you can't help anyway?
Richard Lee9 Richard Lee9 Member
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#30 ·
Harold Turner2 said:No, unless you're talking about sexual maniacs🙂

😕
So, does your conscience only start acting up when you refuse to cater to sexual maniacs?
Honestly, this is some serious psychological territory right here—you might want to look into therapy! 😕
blueranger12 blueranger12 Active Member
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#31 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:you're a total fraud. you always say "yes" but never actually follow through.
Look, I know we aren't supposed to talk about real life here, but blueranger12 said "yes" plenty of times and it burned him bad every single time.
Even while he was taking a leak.
blueranger12 is a total pushover.

He doesn't even know if saying "no" would hurt, because he's never had the guts to try it.

I know talking about members' private lives is off-limits, but yesterday while I was working on Main Street, William Gonzalez3 showed up and started picking a fight. Like, this is America, I can pick my customers wherever I want. So I called my manager over, got him to kick him out, and now William Gonzalez3 is trying to get revenge on me through this forum. I mean, I saw it coming, but it's seriously low. 😠

And I never said it didn't burn while I was peeing...
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#32 ·
blueranger12 said:I know we aren't supposed to bring up people's real lives here, but yesterday—while I was working over on Main Street—William Gonzalez3 showed up and started picking a fight with me. I mean, it’s a free country; I can choose my own customers wherever I want, right? But then I called security to have him removed, and now it feels like William Gonzalez3 is trying to get back at me through this forum. I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised, but honestly, it just doesn't feel right.😠

I wasn't calling you weak, per se—I was more implying that you're someone with very little backbone. So, I didn't mean to say you were selling your soul, but rather that you're a sort of yes-man who just can't seem to say no to anyone.

blueranger12 said:And I didn't even mention if it stung when I was peeing...

You couldn't have said that anyway.
Just to remind you—
William Gonzalez3 said:blueranger12, does it sting when you pee?
blueranger12 said:When someone asks me something, I instinctively say "yeah, sure, obviously, yep, looks like it, yeah"—because, I guess, that's just how I respond.

(you're still going to hear about what happened yesterday)
Harold Turner2 Harold Turner2 Member
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#33 ·
Richard Lee9 said:😕
Does your conscience only bother you when you refuse to cater to sexual maniacs?
That's a sign you need serious psychotherapy. 😕

Read the question again before judging my response. 🙂
blueranger12 blueranger12 Active Member
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#34 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:I wasn't calling you some kind of sellout, I was just hinting you're a guy with zero backbone. Look, I didn't mean you were peddling affection, just that you're a total yesman when it comes to love—someone who can't say no and just reflexively agrees to everything.

Aha, I thought you were just being a jerk.😬

I definitely have zero morals. Honestly, I haven't used my conscience in ages, so who knows how it would even hold up today! That's why I just let other people use theirs and I go along with it.😬

The perfect recipe for a successful career as a total pushover!
Richard Lee9 Richard Lee9 Member
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#35 ·
Harold Turner2 said:Come on, just read the question one more time before you judge my answer.🙂

Whoops! My bad! I was being totally superficial there... I let William Gonzalez3 throw me off my game entirely... (honestly, we probably need a whole separate thread just to discuss how people try to shift the blame like that)
So—it’s a flat-out "No" then?! Fine by me!
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#36 ·
Richard Lee9 said:So, you're actually feeling guilty about it?!
Why is that?
Are you saying "no" when you know you could actually help—but choose not to out of some sense of principle—or is it just that you say "no" because you genuinely can't, for some objective reason?

I suppose I just have this tendency where people tend to get attached to me—quite quickly and rather intensely, too.

Because of that, I always find it difficult to turn someone down, even when I have a perfectly valid excuse, simply because I know it’s going to hurt them.

That's just how it is for me. You end up surrounded by people—everyone wanting a slice of your time and attention—and since you can't possibly be there for everyone 100% of the time, these awkward situations just... happen.
I'm very aware of the fallout from my refusals. That's why it's such a struggle.
Tyler Thomas12 Tyler Thomas12 Active Member
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#37 ·
zg_sash said:It took some serious effort and time, but I finally learned how to say "no" without feeling guilty or coming up with some vague, half-baked excuses.

How exactly?

I’m not expecting some magic formula you can just hand over, but was this a process of trial and error, a method of elimination, or did you just eventually reach a logical conclusion?
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 RegularOP
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#38 ·
blueranger12 said:It’s not even about guilt for me; it’s more like a sense of duty.😕

Whenever someone asks me for something, my brain goes on autopilot. I just start nodding along—you know the drill? "Sure thing," "Yeah, totally," "Let's make it happen!" It's just what you do! 😁 Then, reality hits me like a ton of bricks and I realize, "Oh boy, I actually can't do that." But honestly? Once I finally say "no," I don't feel a single ounce of guilt. My conscience stays perfectly clear.

Exactly! That feeling of obligation doesn't always mean you're going to feel bad for turning someone down when you actually needed to help.
And there's that old saying, right? That "the humble person is the one who always feels guilty."
Well, if that's the case, we should all be working on our humility!🙄
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 RegularOP
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#39 ·
William Gonzalez3 said:No. I just can't.

Now I’m sitting here feeling absolutely terrible about it.
And honestly? It’s all your fault!

Serves you right... suffer a little, then make it up to me! 😬
Richard Lee9 Richard Lee9 Member
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#40 ·
The Executioner said:people just have this habit of getting incredibly attached to me, and they do it fast and with such intensity.

so I always find it difficult to turn someone down, even when there’s an objective reason to do so, because I know I’m going to cause them pain.

That’s just how it is. You’re surrounded by people, everyone wants a slice of your attention and all that, but you can’t be there for everyone 100% of the time, which leads to some really awkward situations.
I'm fully aware of the fallout when I say no. That's why it's so hard for me.

Look, if your reason is objective, then there shouldn't be any reason to feel guilty—and "pain"... isn't that a bit of a heavy word? Sure, you might cause pain if some girl wants to be with you and you don't feel the same way, so you tell her "no." At that moment, honesty stings, but it’s still a better option than dragging things out by entering into a relationship you don't actually want; eventually, the pain would be much worse when you inevitably fail to meet those emotional expectations.
If we aren't talking about emotional demands, then "pain" is way too strong a term... And in most cases, people are actually capable of accepting an objective reason. At least I am, though maybe I'm just biased, but like I said—I’d much rather hear a "no" than a "yes" that turns into endless stalling.

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