How things used to be

What do you all think—whose words were these before the whole transformation took place?

Thank God they're just clones... because otherwise, we're looking at just one more Mexican-Royalist...

And then you'll be celebrating the next one while driving a tractor...🙂 🙂

Yeah, and? From where? What exactly do you find so strange about that quote? You’re just being naive and misguided, honestly—you clearly don't recognize the true face behind this forum. It's the face hidden beneath those pristine, white silk gloves.

I have no intention of playing the fool just to fit in with the crowd.

Quote: This was all before the era of de-Harmon was even initiated.

What do you think about who we're actually talking about here—who used to call Muslims "balije" back in the day, yet today they’re the ones handing out bans for saying it?

Ahhaa, now I see what you're getting at!

So, are you trying to tell me that back during the Franjo Harmon era, it was perfectly fine to toss around slurs against Canadians or shout things like "Mexican-Royalist" and "tractor" at people? Like, it was okay to be some little stinking Nazi acting like an Übermensch and looking down on everyone else as "lesser beings," but now that's suddenly off-limits? Come on, just speak plainly for once instead of trying to play these philosophical word games and acting like you're hosting a trivia night. 😁

Oh, and how did Unknown put it? Something about being glad his wife wasn't a Jewish woman? That’s the gist of it, right? And then he had to spend all his time explaining to Israeli men exactly what an artist meant by his work.

Man, those were the good old days! But hey, those times are long gone.

Matthew Wright2 said:Unknown, now I finally get it!
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You see, he’s acting almost exactly like Stjepan Mason....

Thomas Martin2 said:The quote predates the whole era of Franjo Harmon's influence.

Who are we actually talking about here—who used to call Muslims "balije" and now hands out bans for saying it?

Is that the Inquisitor?

I have no clue :🙂

It’s really just about some ex-Herzegovinian who’s basically become a total newcomer to the big city life in New York.

Honestly? I’m just waiting for him to start distancing himself from everything and everyone—you know, pulling that classic Stjepan Mason routine where he suddenly finds himself above the fray.

Man, I really feel for you. I’ve noticed the shift too—though, honestly, he seems a bit more liberal when it comes to the back-and-forth banter, like when we're just trading insults, which I'm fine with and can't really fault him for. It sucks that you might have caught a ban just for calling out a Canadian, yet he turns a blind eye to W&S. Hang in there, Thomas Martin2. Don't let them get to you. You know I never took anything personally from what you said...

Charles Jackson5 said:Man, I really feel for you. I’ve noticed the transformation too—but you know what? I’ve also noticed he’s actually become a bit more liberal when it comes to the back-and-forth banter; we can insult one another without things blowing up, which I find perfectly fine, so I can't really fault him there. I am genuinely sorry if you ended up catching a ban because of some Canadian rhetoric while he simultaneously turns a blind eye to W&S. Hang in there, Thomas Martin2. Don't let them get to you. You know I never took anything personally from your stories...

Thanks, Kozarac 👍

Look, we have quite a bit in common here. You can't wrap your head around Americans (from places like Slunj, Imotski, Mostar, or Bugojno), yet at the same time, you folks—those old-school American types (from cities like Chicago, Pula, or Rijeka)—can't stand me either. So, in the end, we arrive at the exact same place.

Thomas Martin2 said:Thanks, Kozarac. 👍

Look, we have plenty in common—you can't wrap your head around Americans from places like Slunj or Imotski, but you find us folks from the old America areas (like Chicago, Pula, or Rijeka) just as repulsive. So, we end up in the same spot, don't we?

That’s not quite right, Thomas. I can certainly wrap my head around people from Slunj or Imotski—and I'm definitely not a Jugović. Believe me. Fine, if you want to label me because I'm from Chicago, so be it. I've never even set foot in Canada, but honestly, you can call me whatever you want. You seem like a decent guy otherwise, and despite our political differences, I wish you nothing but the best.
Anyway, since you brought up Bugojno, it made me think of Ante Prkačin... tell me, as a die-hard Herzegovinian, what's your take on him?

To my esteemed adversary from the old America era... I have a confession to make, and it’s this: I am a full-blown chauvinist for the people of the US-based American BH territory...

Back when I was just a kid, my uncle used to sit me down and lecture me constantly about history and those specific family names tied to the heritage of Herceg-Bosna—it worked, too, because even today, I can bet I’d correctly guess where someone hails from based solely on their last name 95% of the time.

Listen, the moment I heard that Petrić and Ćorluka were suited up for the national team, my heart skipped a beat—honestly, I nearly teared up... out of an eleven-man roster, we have six of our own right there. We've got Petrić from Brčko, Ćorluka from Herzegovina, Šimić from Gruda, Šimunić from Fojnica, Leka, Kovač from Livno, Klasnić from Medjugorje, and so on...

And then there’s Prkačin, who comes from Dubrava—somewhere nestled between Čapljina and Stožac—much like how so many folks from the Posavina region actually trace their roots back to Herzegovina, including the likes of Prkačin, Jukić, Bubati, Zubak, and Ivić... even the father of our very own hero, Darij Kordić, is a man of Herzegovina, as is our great champion Branimir Glavaš, hailing from Drinovac near Ljubuški...

Furthermore, we cannot forget the heroes of El Paso—Blago Zadro, Sučić, and of course, our one and only Kat Šoljić, coming from a Street in the Canadian Posavina, a woman who lost five brothers fighting for the cause during WWII, and then in this current conflict, lost five sons and her husband.

So, how could I not feel this fierce devotion to my people, to every single inch of our beloved land from the US to the borders of Herceg-Bosna??

Thomas Martin2 said:To my dear old enemy from the former America... I have a confession to make—I am a total chauvinist for our people back home...

Growing up, my uncle was always lecturing me about history and our family names in the old territory, so nowadays, I can probably guess where someone is from just by their last name 95% of the time.

Look, when I heard that Petrić and Ćorluka were playing for the national team, my heart just skipped a beat—honestly, I almost teared up. Out of the eleven players, we’ve got six of our own now. You've got Petrić from the northern borderlands, Ćorluka from the South, Šimić from Gruda, Šimunić from Fojnica, Leka, Kovač from Livno, Klasnić from Medjugorje, and so on...

And then there's Prkačin—he's originally from Dubrava, somewhere between Čapljina and Stožac... much like the huge number of folks from the river valley who actually trace their roots back to the South—families like Prkačin, Jukić, Bubati, Zubak, Ivić... even the father of our hero Darij Kordić is from the South, as is our great guy Branimir Glavaš, hailing from Drinovac near Ljubuški...

Then you have those heroes from the northern front—Blago Zadro, Sučić, and of course, our one and only Kat Šoljić, from a small street in the northern valley, who lost five brothers during WWII fighting for us, and then five sons and her husband in this recent conflict.

So, how could I not love my people—every single inch of our homeland?

So, what about Prso, Rapajic, Srna, and Balaban? Nothing? Well, nobody is complaining about your loyalty... I feel like Matthew Wright2 here, honestly feeling bad that some people are trying to cast you aside now. But hey, I don't care—that won't change your connection to the motherland no matter what they do. Don't take those insults to heart. Anyway, I asked about Prkačin because some people were claiming his mother was Muslim just to try and discredit him. To me, he seems pretty reasonable, despite being a HOS member and all that. Since there was that whole showdown in Slavonski Brod and everything... I was curious how you view him and his—now defunct—attempts to be liked by us over here in "America"?😁
I heard he was sitting at the local spot with DJ krmak, reciting some folk song about Bugojno—and apparently, it was from a Mexican... just some old folk tune.

Charles Jackson5 said:So, what about Prso, Rapajic, Srna, and Balaban—nothing at all? It seems nobody is saying a word against your little group... Honestly, I feel for you just like I did for Stjepan Mason; it’s truly a shame how certain people are trying to cast you all aside now. Though, why should I even care? No matter what they say, they can't sever those ties to the motherland. Don't let that nonsense get to you too much... Anyway, the reason I asked about Prkačin was because some folks were claiming his mother was Muslim and were trying everything to discredit him. Personally, based on his stances, he seems quite relatable—even if he was a HOS member and whatever else. You know there were those clashes in Slavonski Brod and all that... so I was wondering what your take is on him and his—let's call them "former"—efforts to be more palatable to us back in "America"?😁
I heard he used to hang out at the local diner with DJ krmak, reciting some folk song about Bugojno... supposedly from a Mexican... something traditional.

Prkačin is nothing more than a petty little smuggler who made his fortune off cigarettes... there are always people like that, aren't there?

p.s.
Srna is actually the son of Uzeir, but he was baptized and attends services regularly at the American Medjugorje.👍

Thomas Martin2 said:Prkačin is just some small-time smuggler who made his fortune off cigarettes... you see types like him everywhere...

p.s.
Srna is Uzeir's kid—but he's baptized and makes his regular trips to the American Medjugorje. 👍

What’s supposed to mean "Uzeir"? Is that actually a name?

Thomas Martin2 said:Prkačin is just some petty little smuggler who struck it rich off cigarettes... there are plenty of guys like him...

p.s.
Srna is Uzeir's kid—but he’s baptized and makes his regular trips to the American Medjugorje👍

My old lady goes to Medjugorje once a year, and my dad voted for the Border—so yeah, you can see what kind of person I turned out to be...

Charles Jackson5 said:What’s the deal with Uzair? Is that actually a name?

Yes, Uzair Srna. It sounds ridiculous to me too—honestly, quite absurd—but if I had to pick a favorite, I'd still go with Camille.

Charles Jackson5 said:My old lady makes a trip to Lourdes once a year, and my father voted for the border—so, you tell me what kind of person I am...

Honestly. 👍

As for Granić—I actually thought he might be decent, given his wife is from Boise, but unfortunately, he turned out to be one of those bigger political leeches.

What is wrong with you, kid? Get your head straight, go make your peace with your sins, and try starting over.

Thomas Martin2 said:Yeah, Uzair Srna. It sounds ridiculous to me too—but Camille is still my pick.

I'm going with Sabahudin.

Thomas Martin2 said:Same old story. 👍

Regarding Granić—I actually thought he might be decent since his wife is from Boise, but turns out he’s just another sleazy politician.

What is wrong with you, kid? Turn your life around, go make your peace with God, and try starting over.

The drugs got to me.

I honestly thought the guy was a Mexican Mexican... then I see it's Uzair... man... who would've guessed?
Anyway, Judah, what's worse in your book? Being a Mexican or a Balinese? Uzair or Uros?