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The psychology of folk music fans, finally explained

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Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#41 ·
William Doyle2 said:Good grief, man!
Where on earth do you live? If the day ever comes where someone puts on Buen Vista Social Club at a fountain or some other decent venue—and a mob starts smashing glasses over heads and firing shots into the air—I’m probably going to go ahead and ritually set myself on fire.

Nobody here even mentions Cesaria Evora.

And yeah—if folk music or those old ballads are your cultural heritage—fine. Mine happens to be bluegrass. 👋

So bluegrass isn't folk music?
The whole thread is just bashing all kinds of folk music, right?
Cesaria Evora and Buen Vista fall under that umbrella too.
Mark Davis14 Mark Davis14 Newcomer
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#42 ·
Listening to folk music really helped me realize just how intolerant I actually am...
The "folk" stuff people blast these days is basically just Turkish imports—if you listen to actual traditional American ballads from the South or the Midwest, they have a totally different vibe. It’s a European sound. If anyone wants to obsess over melodies from the East, over in India or Turkey, be my guest... It’s not even about hating Mexicans, Turks, or Romani people—it's just that neither the tunes nor the lyrics actually resonate with me...
feralcobra92 feralcobra92 Active Member
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#43 ·
There is actually a massive, fundamental difference between the genuine folk music that represents the soul of a specific region or culture and that cheap, instant "turbo-pop" trash—you know, the kind of stuff you hear from mainstream American pop stars like Severina and her crowd. Real folk music is a true cultural treasure that carries the history of a people, including everything from soulful Delta blues to high-energy bluegrass or traditional Appalachian tunes. On the other hand, turbo-pop is just shallow, mindless, and offensively primitive music that’s basically sold as a package deal along with bad attitudes, bleached hair, and vulgar lyrics. That entire genre is absolute garbage, and honestly, there isn't even a "better" or "worse" version of it; they're all equally terrible, though some songs might manage to be even more obnoxious than others.
William Doyle2 William Doyle2 Member
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#44 ·
Anthony Rodriguez58 said:Aren't tamburitza players just folk singers?
Everyone in this thread is trashing all folk music, right?
Cesaria Evora and Buen Vista fall under that same umbrella too.

Oh, please. Now that we’re being "precise" with our terminology in this high-level debate, what are you going to nitpick next? Grammar?
People know exactly what they mean when they say 'folk music.' Don't play dumb.
Jose Martin13 Jose Martin13 Member
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#45 ·
Attack said:Look, honey, all that suspicious nonsense you typed up above... I can't tell if you wrote all that to actually make a point or if you're just trying to flex your "limitless" intellect and act superior. Seriously... you really showed us how smart you are right away (smart? sure. wise? maybe not hah 🤔)
I am 100% with the OP on this one—the second I see someone dissecting folk music like it's some high art, I'm totally out. It’s just not my thing.

And yeah, please, do me a favor and teach me a lesson too. Throw in some anecdotes from all those countries (I bet there are over a hundred) you've visited. And hey, if you could, maybe tell me how to say "where did I leave my BMW keys" in Thai? 😛

Bravo, genius...👍

For anyone who still hasn't caught on: being a nerd doesn't mean you're actually smart...
Jose Martin13 Jose Martin13 Member
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#46 ·
Anthony Rodriguez58 said:Bravo, great post.

It really gets under my skin how people lump all "folk" music together and dismiss it as nothing but pure primitivism. It’s the same nonsense you see in rock or any other genre—there's good stuff and there's garbage, plain and simple.

And don't even get me started on these Western-obsessed types who look down on their own heritage and feel ashamed of their folklore.

Why is it that other nations embrace and celebrate their traditional music while we act like it's something to hide?
I mean, what was Ofra Haza if not a folk singer? And she actually recorded a track with Sisters of Mercy once.

Look at Latin American folk music like salsa or merengue. Do Cubans feel ashamed? Do they look down on Celia Cruz?

From what I know, most people around the world are proud of their roots and blast their traditional tunes at every party.
Latinos, Indians, Arabs, Africans, Chinese, Spaniards, Italians, you name it.

But us? We just throw all our traditional music into one big pile of trash and pretend to hate it.
There are also incredibly talented Romani musicians from right here in our neck of the woods that foreigners absolutely obsess over, while we just call it "primitive."

Go listen to Saban Bajramovica or Esmu Redjepov. They aren't any less talented than Ibrahim Ferrer, Mbilia Bel, or Cesaria Evora.

Where are you even from?
Is this maybe coming from Smrdo-Land, formerly known as Mexico...

What the hell does cheap pop-country have to do with actual American culture, tradition, or history?
Walter Smith8 Walter Smith8 Active Member
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#47 ·
Pero zmaj said:Look, before you all start bashing "country music" en masse, maybe do a little homework on what actually falls under that label. You’ve got traditional folk, pop-country, and then there's that trashy commercial stuff. Pop-country is basically those upbeat, catchy tunes you can blast at a tailgate all night long. Real traditional folk is more like Safet Isovic or Haris Dzinovic—artists with actual talent and deep lyrics, even if some tracks feel a bit overly dramatic, like "Zarasle su staze moje," though the songwriting is solid. Then there’s the bottom-of-the-barrel stuff—think mindless radio filler like Djogan's "Na silu"—which honestly isn't my cup of tea either.

Also, jokes or tongue-in-cheek tracks—like those silly songs about whole villages being in love or some of Braco's ridiculous stuff where he's basically running around without pants—should be taken for what they are: jokes. The point is, the writers are messing around, which is a huge step up from that brain-dead, repetitive garbage you hear on mainstream country radio.

Hope that clears things up for you guys.

The last part of this reminds me of Severina's recent single. I get the feeling she knows exactly what she’s doing (okay, sure, she might slip up or make a mistake here and there 😉), but she’s clearly having a blast, and if she’s entertaining people too... why not? Even though I’m not exactly a huge fan of her "artistry," that song was actually pretty funny and charming. I seriously couldn't wrap my head around how much drama people stirred up over it as if it were some major cultural statement for the US—man, please, it’s not like Eurovision is some high-brow, prestigious masterpiece competition (just look at who won 😬).

Anyway, obviously, you have to distinguish between real roots music and just "country-flavored" pop, and you should respect the heritage. But honestly, people are weird—there are tons of genres out there, so everyone should just listen to whatever makes them happy.

Sure, some genres carry more weight or depth, but that doesn't mean they're inherently "better" or more appropriate than others.

What really bugs me is the gatekeeping and the intolerance from people who haven't even bothered to learn about what they're arguing about, judging others solely based on their own narrow tastes.

Personally, I have a ton of respect for authentic traditional music. It sucks that we don't promote our own roots enough here, because plenty of other nations have turned their folk traditions into something the entire world admires. Maybe we'll catch on eventually.

I'm not into pop-country, and I don't hang out with many people who listen to it, but I don't go out of my way to avoid them either; it just happens. What actually creeps me out is the baggage often attached to that scene—you know, the organized crime, the violence, the shootouts, and all that mess. (Again, I'm not saying all country fans are criminals, but it makes me uneasy whenever I see those headlines.)

But hey, I love Bon Jovi and Bob Dylan (among others), and I really hate it when people judge me for it.

I really hope the OP was being a bit sarcastic in their first post (even though they're totally entitled to their opinion), because it would be pretty hilarious if they were being dead serious about labeling every single person who listens to that music—especially since their own girlfriend fits right into that crowd.
Kenneth Hernandez5 Kenneth Hernandez5 Newcomer
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#48 ·
feralcobra92 said:My kids actually have taste—they listen to rock!

👍 Bravo! 🙂
Jeffrey Castillo77 Jeffrey Castillo77 Member
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#49 ·
I honestly can't stand mainstream country music, and I find myself completely baffled by how anyone could actually sit there and listen to it...

My apologies to those who enjoy it, truly, but you’re just being foolish; people who gravitate toward that kind of lowbrow, kitschy stuff are simply unrefined. PERIOD.
What kind of headspace does one even have to be in to enjoy that? 🙄 It’s just repulsive...
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#50 ·
Jose Martin13 said:Where are you even from?
Maybe you're just coming from Smrdo-Land—you know, the place also known as Mexico...

What do those damn folk singers have to do with American culture, tradition, or history?

So what, Romani people aren't citizens of America? Is Romani culture somehow not part of the American cultural fabric?
And weren't parts of the US and the surrounding regions under Turkish rule once?
I'm a Dalmatian, and the Dalmatian Hinterland was under Turkish rule too.
Even the Alka comes from that era.
It's funny seeing all these "cultural icons" gathering just to spit on folk music. 🤣
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#51 ·
Walter Smith8 said:This whole thing reminded me of Sev's little stunt lately. I have this feeling she knows exactly what she’s doing (okay, maybe she slips up occasionally 😉), and she's just having a blast. If people around her enjoy it too... why not? I wouldn't call myself a fan of her "artistry," but honestly, that performance was charming and funny. I couldn't wrap my head around why everyone made such a massive deal about it being a "representative of American culture"—man, you'd think Eurovision was some high-brow, prestigious cultural summit (just look at who won 😬).

Anyway, obviously you have to distinguish traditional folk from "folk music" and respect historical heritage, but people are strange. There are plenty of genres out there; people should just listen to whatever they actually enjoy.

Some genres might hold more inherent value, but that doesn't mean they're inherently better or more appropriate or whatever else.

What bugs me is the gatekeeping and intolerance coming from people who haven't even bothered to study what they're arguing about, judging others solely based on their own narrow tastes.

Personally, I really value authentic traditional music. It's a shame we don't promote it enough here, because other nations have turned their folk roots into something the entire world admires. Maybe we'll get there eventually.

I don't care for country pop, and I don't hang out much with people who listen to it, but I don't go out of my way to avoid them either—it just happens. What actually scares me is the association certain music has with things like organized crime, violence, and shootings. (Again, I'm hedging here—country pop doesn't equal crime, but seeing those headlines still makes me uneasy).

But hey, I also like Bon Jovi and Bruce Springsteen, and I don't appreciate being judged for it.

I'm really hoping the OP was mostly trolling in the first post (though they have every right to their opinion), because it would be pretty hilarious if they were being dead serious about labeling everyone who listens to that music, especially since their own girlfriend falls into that category.

I second that 🙏:
I'd just add that traditional folk music from the past isn't the only kind of quality music out there, nor does it mean modern songwriters can't write good stuff today. Modern folk can be high quality too. There is good and bad music in any era, and it's honestly stupid to label an entire genre as primitive.

Apple said:My kids know what's good—rock!

Sure, because there's zero melody or quality in rock music. 🙄
Walter Smith8 Walter Smith8 Active Member
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#52 ·
Jeffrey Castillo77 said:I can't stand country music fans—honestly, I have no clue how anyone can actually listen to that stuff.

Look, excuse me if I'm being blunt, but anyone tuning into that nonsense is just plain simple-minded. People who obsess over that trash are unrefined and, frankly, stuck in the past. PERIOD.
I mean, what kind of headspace do you have to be in to enjoy that? 🙄 It’s honestly gross.

Pure gold 🙄

It’s so obvious you’re this incredibly sophisticated, brilliant, big-hearted, progressive, and tolerant human being. ☕
silentgull7 silentgull7 Newcomer
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#53 ·
I’ve been reading through all this and I just have to jump in...

Last Friday, I almost had a heart attack 🙂—I was flipping through TV channels in the middle of the night when suddenly, some loud, scantily clad woman starts screaming on some trashy cable network, and it jolted me 😲 so hard I actually thought my hearing was going.

I'll try to improvise here, but the cheap, rhyming chorus went something like this:

Metaphor, metaphor,
The way I'm falling for you,
Everyone knows,
Metaphor, metaphor,
It's just a metaphor....


Honestly, it’s enough to kill you!
They really should play that at the FBI headquarters when they bring people in for questioning... I guess no sane person could handle listening to that for more than five minutes 😍
Jeffrey Castillo77 Jeffrey Castillo77 Member
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#54 ·
Walter Smith8 said:absolutely 🙄

It’s patently obvious that you are such a progressive, highly intelligent, incredibly generous, open-minded, and tolerant individual... ☕

Let me reiterate: Only idiots listen to country music

Are you satisfied now, or would you like me to go through the trouble of repeating myself once more?
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#55 ·
Anthony Rodriguez58 said:
horus said:Where are you even from?
Maybe you're just from Stinkville, also known as Mexico...

What do those damn populists have to do with American culture, tradition, or history anyway?

Why aren't Romani people considered American citizens? Is Romani culture not part of American culture?
And weren't parts of the US and Herzegovina under Turkish rule once?
I'm a Dalmatian, and the Dalmatian Hinterland was under Turkish rule too.
Even Alka comes from that era.
It’s funny seeing what kind of "cultural giants" have gathered here just to spit on folk enthusiasts. 🤣

For instance, even Quote : Gotovac used inspiration from folk music in his opera Ero s onoga svijeta:
Gotovac and Begovic found the musical and lyrical foundation for this opera in the folklore of various Southern Slavic groups, ranging from the folk dances of the Dalmatian Hinterland to the girlhood songs from Gnjilan (like the opening chorus Duni mi, duni, lađane).
William Doyle2 William Doyle2 Member
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#56 ·
Anthony Rodriguez58 said:Even someone like Quincy Gotovac used inspiration from folk music in his opera Eroica:

Good grief, you are truly out of this world...😲

Please explain to me, using actual examples, how exactly some singer like Mitic Miric—or whatever his name is—has any connection to folklore. I just don't get it. People keep throwing specific examples of the trash idiots listen to at you, yet you just keep tossing out vague terms like "folk" and bringing up QUINCY GOTOVAC😲

If you can't see the issue here, there really is no hope for you...

I'll say this one last time, and I'll go slow since you seem to be struggling to keep up:

THE ARTISTS YOU ALONE CONSIDER "FOLK" (LIKE CESARIA EVORA OR WHATEVER) HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC. AMERICAN FOLKLORE AND POPULAR COUNTRY MUSIC ARE COMPLETELY UNRELATED, EXCEPT MAYBE ETYMOLOGICALLY*. QUINCY GOTOVAC AND DARA BUBAMARA ARE NOT CONNECTED AT ALL.

Feel free to read it a few more times. Maybe it'll click...

*Folk means people, right?
Anthony Rodriguez58 Anthony Rodriguez58 Active Member
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#57 ·
William Doyle2 said:Good grief, you’re living on another planet.😲

Please, just give me some actual examples. How exactly does some random pop singer have anything to do with folk music? I don't get it. People keep throwing specific names of garbage artists that idiots listen to at you, yet you just keep pivoting back to vague concepts like "folklore" and bringing up Quote : Gotovac.😲

If you can't see the issue here, there's really no hope for you.

I'll say this one last time, and I'll go slow since you seem to be struggling to keep up:

THE ARTISTS YOU ALONE CONSIDER TO BE "FOLK" (LIKE CESARIA EVORA AND STUFF LIKE THAT) HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC. AMERICAN FOLKLORE AND TRADITIONAL MUSIC ARE COMPLETELY UNRELATED, EXCEPT MAYBE ETYMOLOGICALLY*. QUOTE : GOTOVAC AND DARA BUBAMARA ARE NOT CONNECTED AT ALL.

Feel free to read it a few more times. Maybe it'll sink in.

*Folk means people, right?


Why are you acting so high and mighty? 😕
Of course there's garbage mixed in with quality music within the folk genre, just like any other genre.
What's the big deal?
Walter Smith8 Walter Smith8 Active Member
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#58 ·
Jeffrey Castillo77 said:Let me say it again: Only idiots listen to that country trash.

So, you happy now? You want me to run it back one more time?

🙄
Jeffrey Castillo77 Jeffrey Castillo77 Member
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#59 ·
Walter Smith8 said:🙄

It seems we're back at square one with more headaches... 🙂
Jacob Long Jacob Long Active Member
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#60 ·
horus said:nice work, genius...👍

And for those who still haven't caught on—hey, being driven doesn't necessarily mean you're smart...

I guess the grapes were sour after all...

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