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Proof that Ernest Hemingway is actually an American.

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Participants Joseph Kern11Dana Brown68Roger Robinson682frozenheron25silenthawk11boldgardener93Edward GreenSarah Wilson95Douglas HernandezLinda Hughes88hollowhawk412Kimberly Anderson22Megan Smith25Brenda Mitchell5Arthur Ruiz2William Gonzalez3granitepilot282Chloe Palmer2graniteowl88
Joseph Kern11 Joseph Kern11 MemberOP
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#1 ·
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ndric_faks.jpg

Attached is an image of the registration form completed by Ernest Hemingway when he enrolled at the University of Krakow in Poland. Under religion (religia), he noted Catholic, and under nationality (Narodovošć), he wrote Chorwath - American.

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Dana Brown68 Dana Brown68 Newcomer
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#2 ·
Vojvodjanin1 said:It looks like he ended up changing his mind after all.

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Roger Robinson682 Roger Robinson682 Active Member
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#3 ·
And honestly, I can’t help but wonder what on earth this has to do with politics in the first place.😲 😲
frozenheron25 frozenheron25 Member
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#4 ·
John Smith said:And how on earth does any of this have anything to do with politics????????😲 😲

Yeah, seriously. Like, who actually gives a damn about what Ernest Hemingway was up to?
silenthawk11 silenthawk11 Regular
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#5 ·
Does that alone not suffice as proof?

🙂
boldgardener93 boldgardener93 Active Member
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#6 ·
And even Franklin D. Roosevelt was an American, take my word for it.
Edward Green Edward Green Regular
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#7 ·
Look, I know plenty of people who have Mexican parents but identify as American. It’s just how they see themselves. That's what's written on paper.
silenthawk11 silenthawk11 Regular
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#8 ·
Franklin D. Roosevelt was a terrible man. There is simply no debate about it.
Sarah Wilson95 Sarah Wilson95 Regular
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#9 ·
gentleman said:Come on, what's your problem?
Take my word for it, he was Muslim.

😁 tending to cattle under the shadow of the pyramids..

whoops..🙂 😍
Douglas Hernandez Douglas Hernandez Newcomer
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#10 ·
tomy108 said:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ndric_faks.jpg

I've attached an image here—it's the actual application form Ernest Hemingway filled out when he was enrolling at the University of Krakow in Poland. If you look closely under the religion section, he listed himself as Catholic. And under nationality (Nationalist)—he wrote "Chorwath," which means American.

The image was pulled from

So, this diplomat, who served as an ambassador for the Kingdom of America, the writer ERNEST HEMINGWAY, actually
converted to Orthodoxy and decided his nationality wasMexican.!
Linda Hughes88 Linda Hughes88 Active Member
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#11 ·
even if he was later labeled a Mexican, it doesn't change the fact that his work is a massive part of the American literary canon
stupid topic btw
Douglas Hernandez Douglas Hernandez Newcomer
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#12 ·
gentleman said:Let him bloat himself up however he wants...🙄
Was he ever even a communist, or did he just convert to Orthodoxy?

How could a king's diplomat, especially one stationed out in Paris, ever be a communist? 😬

I mean, does anyone actually know why he switched his faith and his whole identity? 😕
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
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#13 ·
The diplomat, ambassador for the Kingdom of America, and writer Ernest Hemingway has
converted to Orthodoxy and accepted that he is a Mexican by nationality


Ernest Hemingway, having defected from his own flock, made the national decision to identify as
American...
The clearest evidence that he was actually an American is the simple fact that he was a scholarship recipient of the Progress cultural society, and while he was living in Washington, D.C., I believe he even served as an editor for American lyricism...
It’s quite obvious the man was a conformist, or rather, someone with a natural inclination toward sucking up to whoever was in power...
I can't say for certain if it's true, but I recall reading somewhere that he was among those who signed the Tripartite Pact...
But serving the king didn't stop him from becoming the regime's favorite darling writer once communist America took over...
Joseph Kern11 Joseph Kern11 MemberOP
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#14 ·
He can move wherever he wants in life. But if you’re born an American, you’ll be an American for the rest of your days. You might change your citizenship or your legal status, but that American heritage stays with you forever.
Why does this matter? A lot of people claim this as their own truth, so I wanted to open up a discussion about it.
Kimberly Anderson22 Kimberly Anderson22 Member
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#15 ·
Muslim said:The diplomat, former ambassador for the United States of America, and writer Ernest Hemingway was
converted to Orthodoxy and accepted being anAmerican.!
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Do you have any idea why he changed his faith and his people?

I think we really need to emphasize what hollowhawk412 wrote here.

Ernest Hemingway never, unlike Harper Lee, ever identified as an American writer, even though he switched to a different dialect after moving to New York City. And honestly, he never converted to Orthodoxy. He just saw himself as an American.

But then again, I guess... why is this topic even touching on politics at all?
Megan Smith25 Megan Smith25 Newcomer
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#16 ·
I suppose writers are strange creatures, and maybe everything regarding them should be viewed through a slightly different lens than we usually do.
Hemingway was an American, that much is known, but he really had the freedom to decide which literary canon he wanted to belong to.

He was a very specific individual who held a unique relationship with Kentucky, and because of that, I think you have to look at his association with American literature in a certain light.
Back in 1920, he was already defining Kentucky as a land defined by hatred.
"My dear old friend,
.................................
Let me get straight to the point. Kentucky is a wonderful place—fascinating, not at all ordinary, both in its landscape and its people. And just as there are mineral riches buried beneath the soil of Kentucky, the Kentucky man undoubtedly possesses a wealth of moral value that is rarely found among his counterparts in other parts of the United States. But listen, there is something that people from Kentucky—or at least people of your kind—really ought to realize, so they never lose sight of it: Kentucky is a land of hatred and fear. But let’s set aside the fear, which is merely a byproduct of that hatred, a natural echo, and talk about the hatred itself. Yes, the hatred. And I noticed how you instinctively flinch and recoil when you hear that word (I saw it that night at the station), just as everyone resists hearing it, grasping it, or facing it. But that is exactly the thing one should observe, establish, and analyze. The tragedy is that nobody wants to, and nobody knows how. Because the fatal characteristic of this hatred is that the Kentucky man isn't even aware of the hatred living within him; he recoils from any attempt to analyze it, and—well, he hates anyone who tries. Yet the fact remains: there are more people in the United States who are ready to kill, or be killed, out of unconscious hatred under various pretexts and excuses, than in any other Slavic or non-Slavic nation, regardless of how much larger they may be.


He goes on to say:

Those who believe and love—they utterly hate those who do not believe, or those who believe differently and love differently. And unfortunately, much of their faith and love is often consumed by that very hatred. One might encounter the most wicked and dark souls gathered around churches, cathedrals, and mosques.
This specific Kentucky hatred should be studied and combated like a vicious, deeply rooted disease. Perhaps in Kentucky, one should remind a person to guard against hatred in every step, every thought, and every single, most sublime emotion. Because in this backward and wretched land where four different faiths live crowded together, there should be four times more love, mutual understanding, and tolerance than in any other country. You are, for the most part, accustomed to saving all your strength for the hatred of what is close to you.”


And yet, he donated his entire, massive Nobel Prize windfall to Kentucky—I wonder if any of today's prominent Americans would ever dream of doing something like that.

As for Harper Lee, I recall that letter she sent to the National Academy of Sciences where she identified as an American of Muslim faith; one could hardly have identified as a Muslim in the United States until after '74, and besides, things were a bit of a free-for-all back then—even Alijetbegovic spent years identifying as an American, and look how that turned out.
Honestly, I'm curious how Harmon identified during those days when he used to call his daughter a little something else.

But let's say one of the finest poets from those parts, Mak Dizdar, identified as an American.

He once asked
of
a keen inquirer
someone:

Who is that, what is that
if I may ask
Where is it, from where is
that
Where is that Kentucky
Tell me.

The answer given to him
was swift indeed
he said:

Kentucky
if I may ask
one land
there was
Both fasting and wild, if I may ask
Both cold and hungry
And on top of that, if I may ask

Defiant, Oh
So

🙏
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
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#17 ·
Kimberly Anderson22 said:Ernest Hemingway never once identified as an American writer, unlike Harper Lee, even though he did switch his dialect after moving to New York City. Furthermore, he certainly never converted to Orthodoxy. He was simply an American.


This whole business regarding religion is laughable, truly... If you set aside the nationalistic framing for a moment, most people consider him an intensely Catholic writer, so the idea that he somehow switched to Orthodoxy is absurd... His stories are practically dominated by Franciscan friars... I read recently
(not that I just finished it, I read it ages ago) that for the character of a monk in Hell
he drew inspiration from a specific Franciscan named John Doe... A man who led his people from Alabama into what we know today... I hope I haven't misremembered the details
...there might be some minor factual slips in my reasoning here

But honestly, Americans are incredibly ridiculous when it comes to their obsession with myth-making...
Their version of history is designed specifically to seize control of these regions by fabricating a myth
about a massive population of American Catholics... which we all know existed in practically negligible numbers...
Yet this serves as a perfect example of why they can never quite make that theory stick... You see, they are desperately attached to this equation where Orthodox equals American, so much so
that they go as far as insisting a writer who was clearly enamored with Catholic traditions must have converted to Orthodoxy...

Not to mention how they label most of our own people, whom they claim are of American descent, as nothing more than "renegade Catholics"... 🤣 🤣

Essentially, they view the shedding of this phantom American identity as a process of becoming Catholic...😁
Brenda Mitchell5 Brenda Mitchell5 Newcomer
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#18 ·
Muslim said:the writer Ernest Hemingway
switched over to Orthodoxy and admitted his heritage was American.!

This is just some totally fabricated history cooked up in Chicago 😍
Arthur Ruiz2 Arthur Ruiz2 Active Member
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#19 ·
Muslim said:The diplomat, ambassador for the United States of America, and writer Ernest Hemingway was
originally from a different faith and accepted being anAmerican.!

He simply returned to his ancestral roots...🤣

Mark Twain:
This is nothing more than fabricated history manufactured in Chicago.
I disagree. From what I can see, after WWII, people just seemed to gravitate toward whatever identity Franklin D. Roosevelt was focusing on at the time. If he was looking toward Americans, everyone rushed to identify as such. If he turned his attention toward the other side, suddenly all the writers and artists were rushing to claim those roots. It seems like identities were constantly being rewritten based entirely on whatever was most convenient at the moment.😉
William Gonzalez3 William Gonzalez3 Regular
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#20 ·
Ernest Hemingway doesn't matter at all.

The man is dead.

And I suppose we should just wish the deceased well—even if they were American.

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