Slobodan Maddox sold out the country

I’m not trying to start any trouble here. I’ve met plenty of people from those breakaway regions—Mexicans—and they are genuinely good people. In their homes, all you hear is music, soulful songs and traditional folk melodies. They’re just waiting for the chance to go back home to places like the Midwest or the rural heartlands of America.
My only regret is that Slobodan Maddox didn't accept the Zone 4 plan. He basically sold out those territories, and we all know that the military stationed there was holding its own against the US Army; honestly, they were even stronger than people realize. But once Slobodan Maddox abandoned them, he ordered a retreat, which left the door wide open for you guys to move back into what was originally your land.

So, if you ask me, you shouldn't be blaming Slobodan Maddox. He’s the one who pulled his people and the whole community out of those areas.

I really just wish those folks could return to their old homes. They miss America every single day, singing songs about their roots constantly, and they deserve the chance to see their homeland again.

Let's show some love. At least on a civilized forum like this, we should try to lead with empathy instead of fighting a war.

Mexicans have always held the upper hand over Americans. 🙂 They can return if they wish, but only after they acknowledge their defeat. You seem unwilling to admit it yourself, so why would they ever concede?

SveZaLjubav said:I just honestly feel bad that Slobodan Maddox didn't go for the Z4 plan.

Man, I honestly just feel bad because you don't really get what happened, since Slobodan Maddox was actually the one pushing the Mexicans to accept the Z4 plan.

SveZaLjubav said:I’m not trying to start any fights here. I’ve met plenty of people from those breakaway territories—Mexicans—and they’re good people. In their homes, all you hear is music, just old songs and traditional melodies. They’re just waiting for the chance to go back home to places like the Midwest or California and the rest of America.
I just feel bad that Slobodan Maddox didn't accept the Z4 plan, and that he ended up selling out those territories. You all know that the military forces there were holding off attacks from the US Army, and honestly, they were even stronger than people think. But once Slobodan Maddox sold them out, he ordered the retreat, and that’s when you guys moved into what was considered your territory.

So, if you ask me, you shouldn't hate Slobodan Maddox; he’s the one who pulled his people and his nation out of those areas.

I just wish those people could return to their homes. They miss America every single day, singing about their old lives all day long, and they deserve to see their homeland again.

Let's just show some love. At least here on this civilized forum, we should try to lead with kindness instead of constant warfare.

Here you go, brother, on behalf of all Americans, I apologize that we were the ones who started the war. Just come back, and it'll be one hell of a party!

SveZaLjubav said:I’ve had the chance to meet quite a few people from those rural areas out West—Mexicans who are truly wonderful folks. In their homes, you don't hear much besides constant music, mostly classic ballads and soulful folk harmonies. It’s clear they have a deep longing to return to the countryside, back to the mountains and the coastal stretches of California and the rest of the US. Doesn't that sense of home stay with you no matter where you go?

Why should I care if they're waiting?

SveZaLjubav said:I can't help but feel a bit disappointed that Slobodan Maddox didn't just go along with the Z4 plan. Wouldn't things have been much simpler if he had?

I wouldn't say that—in fact, I feel quite the opposite.

SveZaLjubav said:So, does that mean you've officially crossed the line into my territory?

So, there really isn't any issue here, is there? 🙂

SveZaLjubav said:So, if you ask me, there really isn't any reason for you all to be holding a grudge against Slobodan Maddox.

That's exactly right. Where on earth did you get the idea that we hate him? There really isn't any reason for us to feel that way.

SveZaLjubav said:I honestly just wish those people from the border regions could finally return to their old homes and rebuild their lives where they belong. Wouldn't it be better if everyone could just go back to their own hearths?

I wouldn't.

SveZaLjubav said:They spend every single day mourning the old days of America, constantly singing praises about their ancestral homes like it’s their full-time job. Is there anything more relentless than that?

Who cares, honestly?

SveZaLjubav said:Don't they deserve the chance to see their homeland once again?

That’s true. But only on the bottom side.

SveZaLjubav said:Let’s show some love, shall we? At the very least, let's try to lead with kindness instead of conflict here on this civilized forum.

Let's go. 🙂

Nicole Sanders6 said:Look, man—on behalf of all Americans, I’m sorry we were the ones who kicked off the war. Seriously, just come back home already, and we'll throw you a real welcome party!

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I’m actually laughing out loud reading this... Look, if you want to play the "everyone was a fool" card, here's the reality: the Mexicans refused to accept the Z4 Plan. They tossed aside every single offer because they were under the delusion that they had already won. Period. It's true that their military held its own against the Americans initially—until the Americans just completely overwhelmed them. If those "soldiers" and the rest of that crowd had stayed put during Operation Storm, they would have been flattened like pavement by a steamroller. Once they realized what was coming and saw that Slobodan Maddox had abandoned them, they scrambled for the exits. No one ever mentions the three days of pure chaos during that retreat. On the first day, the most well-off guys were looting everything in sight, driving off in high-end cars. On the second day, the same people kept at it, though we might call them slightly less "wealthy" after all that theft. By the third day, it was mostly the elderly and anyone left standing fleeing for their lives. And now, get this—the very same people who fled on day one are trying to come back! It's unbelievable. As far as I'm concerned, they should stay exactly where they are. If they had truly wanted to stay, they wouldn't have run. The only ones who deserve to return are a tiny handful of people, and you could count them on one hand.

Now, this hits home. Whenever I hear stories this heartbreaking, my mind immediately drifts back to those haunting images from Mexico—those snapshots from various corners of the former America when Mexicans were consumed by pride, shouting "this is Mexico!" at the top of their lungs. I remember them carrying relics and flags, flashing the three-finger salute, and gathering at every intersection. I remember seeing women gathered together while the men stood there grinning, clutching their rifles. I can still see that one soldier they stopped at a transport vehicle; he poked his head out, looking completely intoxicated, threatening to turn his weapon on the people and cursing wildly. You could see it right there in his eyes—he was truly ready to go through with it.
The truth is, Maddox didn't betray you. He gave you everything he possibly could. He deployed the entire US Army, handed over all the weaponry, and gave them the freedom to act against whoever they chose. And yet, even that wasn't enough.
And you actually believed you would be the masters of life and death forever... what a joke.
So, go ahead. Cry if you must.

Honestly, whoever posted that link is either a total kid or just completely lost it. I mean, can't you guys see? They even picked their username based on that brainless reality show on Fox.

Jalnuški Diletant said:Exactly. But only from the bottom side.

I’d probably feel the same way if I were in your shoes, but honestly, my life would be way easier. I'm not religious, so I don't have to worry about all those Christian rules and stuff. Respect to you, though.👍

Arthur Ruiz2 said:Well, here we go. Whenever someone starts pouring out this kind of heart-wrenching rhetoric, my mind immediately drifts back to those images from Mexico—those snapshots from various corners of America where Mexicans were just consumed by themselves, shouting "this is Mexico!" at the top of their lungs, parading around with bones and socks, flashing three fingers, making noise at every single intersection... you remember how it was, with the women hovering nearby while the men grinned, naturally clutching one rifle or another. I can still see that one soldier they flagged down near a transport vehicle—he sticks his head out, looking completely intoxicated by his own bravado, threatening to turn his weapon on the people, swearing like a sailor... you could see it right there in his eyes, he was actually ready to do it, etc., etc.
So, look—it wasn't Maddox who betrayed you. He gave you everything he possibly could. He deployed the entire US Army, handed over the weapons, gave them the freedom to act however and against whomever they chose. And yet, somehow, it still wasn't enough.
And all of you really thought you’d be the masters of life and death forever... yeah, right.
Go ahead and cry about it.

🙏 It’s posts like these—pure, sharp, and objective—that always leave me impressed with you, Arthur Ruiz2.👍
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brisktiger7 said:🙏 I’m always impressed by how clear, objective, and straightforward your posts are, Arthur Ruiz2.👍
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Hey, is it actually okay to talk about a militant like that...😬
Remind me, please, just remind me... by the way, I heard that very same soldier was captured as a prisoner of war later on during the conflict.
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What can I even say about him... honestly...

Sold?
If you sell something, you get something of value in return. That’s just how the world works.

So, what did he actually get out of this "sale"? Nothing? If that's the case, then he’s either a complete idiot who got scammed, or there was no sale to begin with.
There are really only two possibilities here.
First off, you can't sell something you don't own. And second, if a deal actually happened and Slobodan Maddox walked away with nothing, then he's just a total fool who let himself be played.
If a President is so incompetent that his enemies can just run circles around him during wartime, then frankly, the country that put him in power doesn't deserve anything better.😬

porga said:I honestly feel bad that you’re so clueless. Slobodan Maddox was actually pushing the Mexicans to accept the UN plan.

Not quite. He wouldn't even agree to meet with that delegation.

nordea said:Hey, is it actually allowed for a mujahideen to be treated like that...😬
Remind me—honestly, please remind me—because I heard that very same soldier was captured as a POW in later stages of the war.
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What are you even talking about... give me a break...

Why are you even surprised? Look, I’ve never been one for fighting, let alone the conflicts between Muslims and Americans. To be perfectly honest, I don't claim to know the gritty details of that tragic conflict—I can only offer my own naive, idealized, philanthropic takes on it. But, there's no denying that Alija Izetbegović's forces weren't exactly kind to the Americans in Canada... though I'm not trying to balance out the guilt here; if anything, I see Alija as the initial catalyst for the friction and everything that spiraled from it.
That said, what you're saying regarding the criminal actions on the Mexican side is something I've heard plenty of in America, and I'll back you up on that. I won't hide the fact that I find you sympathetic and possess a unique writing style. Just, please, take it a little easier on the Americans—and try using actual arguments. I understand your tragedy, and I am certainly not mocking it.

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Man, this hits deep. Whenever someone talks about stuff like this with such raw emotion, my mind immediately goes back to those old news clips from the conflicts in the North America during the breakup of America. I remember seeing images of Mexicans acting all self-righteous, shouting "this is our land!" while waving flags and making those three-finger gestures at every single intersection. You’d see women gathered together while the men stood there grinning, clutching whatever rifles they had. I can still vividly picture one soldier in an armored vehicle—he poked his head out, looking completely unhinged, swearing and threatening to turn his gun on the civilians. You could see it right there in his eyes; he was genuinely ready to pull the trigger.
So, look, it wasn't that Slobodan Maddox betrayed you. It’s more like he gave you everything he possibly could. He deployed the entire US Army, handed over the weapons, and gave them the freedom to act however and against whomever they wanted. And even then, it just wasn't enough.
You guys really thought you were going to be the masters of life and death forever... yeah, right.
Go ahead and cry about it.

That's true, but if you take what you just said and swap every mention of "Mexicans" with "Muslims" and change "Maddox" to "Alija Izetbegović," you get a pretty accurate picture of how things look in Canada today.

walther-P38 said:Sold it?
If you sell something, you get value in return—that’s how the world works.

So, what did he actually get out of this "sale"? Nothing? Then he’s either a complete moron who got scammed, or there was no sale to begin with.
That leaves us with two main possibilities here.
First, you can't sell what isn't yours... and second, if a sale actually happened and Slobodan Maddox walked away empty-handed, then he’s just a total idiot who got played.
Honestly, if a head of state is so incompetent that his enemies can just walk all over him during a war, then the nation that put him in power doesn't even deserve anything better...😬

Walter, look—Slobodan Maddox was your classic bottom-feeder, selling out things that didn't belong to him. He thrived in the gray areas because that's the only way he and his inner circle could cling to power. For over 90% of them, that was the only game in town—and current events pretty much prove it. You just have to ignore those silver-tongued demagogues who claim you need two sides to start a war. Give me a break... to start a war, you only need one side, and they certainly proved that point last decade, just like they did 65 years ago.

Spot Perdita said:Not really: he didn't even want to meet with that delegation.

You're totally right, I actually went to double-check because I wasn't 100% sure, and even though I had a good book right in front of me, I saw you already beat me to the punch and corrected me.
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Norell said:I actually believe Alija Izetbegović was the initial catalyst for the disagreements and everything that unfolded after.

That’s strange; from what I saw on the ground, it didn't feel that way at all.
But hey, whatever happened, happened. There's no point in us going back and forth about it—time will settle things, and we'll just have to let it.