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How to get started with agtech and farming investments?

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Nicholas Sanchez3 Nicholas Sanchez3 Member
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#101 ·
Bryan Mitchell57 said:Age is irrelevant. What matters is having the grit and the drive. I’m 21 myself, and my old man started planting walnuts and hazelnuts when I was six, and even then I was out there trekking through the hills with him 🙂
I honestly think pecans are going to be the big thing in the future—they're selling like crazy over here in the USA...

Ever actually tried that stuff? Total disaster. Honestly, I’m not even sure it’ll ever catch on here in the States. It doesn't deserve the hype anyway—the taste is straight-up garbage, like you're chewing on sawdust. Absolute trash.
Bryan Mitchell57 Bryan Mitchell57 Newcomer
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#102 ·
Nicholas Sanchez3 said:Ever actually tried that stuff? Total disaster. Honestly, I’m not even sure it’ll ever catch on here in the States. It doesn't deserve the hype anyway—the taste is straight-up garbage, like you're chewing on sawdust. Absolute trash.

Look, I've had them plenty of times, and honestly? I actually prefer them over those local walnuts we get around here. They aren't nearly as bitter. Are you sure you were eating those and not something else? Because saying they taste like sawdust is just... weird.🙂
Nicholas Sanchez3 Nicholas Sanchez3 Member
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#103 ·
Bryan Mitchell57 said:Look, I've had them plenty of times, and honestly? I actually prefer them over those local walnuts we get around here. They aren't nearly as bitter. Are you sure you were eating those and not something else? Because saying they taste like sawdust is just... weird.🙂

Well, if that's the case, I guess I've been snacking on sawdust my whole life. 🙄
silversurfer14 silversurfer14 Newcomer
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#104 ·
Here’s my take... if you’re going to invest in agriculture right now, stick to labor-intensive crops—think greenhouses or anything that requires constant hands-on management—but only if you're working small plots. If you happen to have inherited half a county, then sure, go ahead and plant wheat or corn. Personally, I think strawberry farming is a massive opportunity; there’s enough work there to keep an entire family busy... 🙂 Just for context, I’m actually a student at an American university studying Agribusiness, so we spend a lot of time breaking down profit margins and actual scalability...
I'll circle back with more thoughts once I get into the specifics of government subsidies and grants, but that’s where I stand for now. 😁
lonesurfer13 lonesurfer13 Newcomer
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#105 ·
Micromacro;7219096 said:Hey, I'm new here and just jumping into the conversation.
My family started getting serious about fruit farming about three years ago. We kicked things off with plums and then moved into cherries (specifically the Montmorency variety, which is strictly for processing; we have about 7 or 8 different plum varieties). Our plan is to expand the cherry operation to about 12–15 acres, bringing our total orchard size to around 25 acres, which is pretty much the standard for a medium-sized farm in the States. The biggest headache with expanding production is that large contiguous plots are incredibly hard to find out here—most parcels top out at 5 acres, and finding anything larger is a real rarity.

I had a tough time finding decent literature in America because there’s just so little of it; most of what's available is just "General Fruit Production" or something similar. You won't find many specialized books on specific cultivars. If you decide to go with apples, pears, or olives, you probably won't have trouble finding resources, but for anything else... it's a massive struggle to find anything useful.
Most of my research actually came from studying experts over in Mexico, and I have to say, I was genuinely surprised by how much more advanced their expertise is when it comes to fruit cultivation. I've visited several orchards there and was really impressed!
In my opinion, blackberries, raspberries, blueberries, and cherries are currently the most promising crops to plant. The only downside is that (aside from cherries) this fruit has to be hand-picked, which makes it perfect if you have a big family to help out. On average, bulk blackberries go for about $2.25, though at the start of the harvest, they can hit 17-$6.00, and the picking season lasts two months.
Apples and pears are far more profitable, but you need a cold storage facility, which is a massive upfront investment for anyone just starting out.
Anyway, I just wanted to share my thoughts and experiences regarding fruit farming in America.
Best regards to everyone,
Hey! I'm really interested in planting cherries, but I can't find any good literature on them anywhere. Do you get a decent buyback price for cherries? I heard a price around $1.25. You mentioned having issues because your plots are small, but I actually have the opposite problem—I have a huge 22-acre plot, but I have no idea what would be the most profitable crop or setup.
William Hall2 William Hall2 Newcomer
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#106 ·
Just wanted to drop something into this discussion. I stumbled upon a plot of land featuring about 200 walnut trees, all roughly five years old.
It also comes with about 80 hazelnut bushes. However, I'm running into a few dilemmas...
1. Is it actually worth picking this up for around $3,800?
2. The property isn't fenced, so I'm a bit worried someone might just decide to help themselves to the harvest.
3. What kind of return am I realistically looking at here?
So, there it is.
I’d appreciate any advice you guys can throw my way, if you have any.🙏
Bradley Foster38 Bradley Foster38 Newcomer
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#107 ·
I mean, I’ve been thinking about putting some money into a snail farm lately... I hear it's actually a pretty solid way to go!
Keith Taylor4 Keith Taylor4 Active Member
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#108 ·
William Hall2 said:Just wanted to drop something into this discussion. I stumbled upon a plot of land featuring about 200 walnut trees, all roughly five years old.
It also comes with about 80 hazelnut bushes. However, I'm running into a few dilemmas...
1. Is it actually worth picking this up for around $3,800?
2. The property isn't fenced, so I'm a bit worried someone might just decide to help themselves to the harvest.
3. What kind of return am I realistically looking at here?
So, there it is.
I’d appreciate any advice you guys can throw my way, if you have any.🙏

If those walnut trees are up in a frost pocket somewhere in the Midwest where they just freeze solid and fail to produce, then you're essentially throwing money away. You need to find out exactly which varieties were planted and how they were managed.

If you actually pull the trigger on this, fence the property in. Given how cheap you're getting these 200 trees—which are likely already starting to yield a small crop—just shell out a little extra cash and get a perimeter fence up.
feralmaker96 feralmaker96 Member
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joined Oct 2006
#109 ·
200 plants for $3,500?😬 Who on earth is selling those? They must be desperate for cash because I’d happily drop that kind of money just to pick up 3 acres of prime farmland.
Any chance we can find out where this little plantation is actually located?😁.
A while back, I planted about 4,000 firs and spruces, and in the next few days, I’m putting in another 100 walnut trees.
I was completely clueless when I started, but after eight years of studying the craft and spending plenty of time out in the field, I finally know exactly what I'm doing. It used to eat up all my free time, but now that I've got the rhythm down, the whole process is much more streamlined.
feralmaker96 feralmaker96 Member
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#110 ·
Bradley Foster38 said:I mean, I’ve been thinking about putting some money into a snail farm lately... I hear it's actually a pretty solid way to go!

From what I've heard, most people just got burned. Everyone was talking about how easy it was, but the only ones who actually saw any real money were the early adopters who jumped in before the hype took off.
feralmaker96 feralmaker96 Member
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joined Oct 2006
#111 ·
Anonymous said:If you don't mind me asking, which specific varieties did you go with and how did you set up your planting?
I'm actually getting ready to plant about 5 acres (this coming spring) out near Des Moines. My consultants are suggesting I stick to just three types: Seival, Drenovo, and Jupiter, split roughly 20%, 30%, and 50%.

What’s your take on the variety count and the ratio? Also, where did you pick up your saplings?

By the way, do you need an irrigation setup, and are you using hydrogel or something similar?

Thanks!

Solid advice. Honestly, the vendor doesn't matter nearly as much as the actual quality of the saplings.
I do irrigate, though it really just depends on whether we get a decent summer or if the rain actually shows up.
I'm planning to install a full irrigation system soon; I've already dug a large reservoir and it's currently full. Now I'm just hunting for the perfect irrigation solution. If anyone has a smart idea, let me know.
Joseph Allen87 Joseph Allen87 Newcomer
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#112 ·
Hey there. I’m really interested in planting Cherry trees, but I can’t find any decent literature on them anywhere. Do you get a decent buyback price for Cherries? I heard prices are around $1.25. You mentioned having issues because your plots are small—I have the opposite problem. I’ve got a massive 22-acre plot, but I have no clue which orchard setup is actually worth the investment.

Right now, average buyback prices for Cherries sit somewhere between $3-$1.25. There’s also the option of putting the fruit in alcohol barrels—in that case, you're looking at about $7-$2.75 per kg. Specifically, we're talking about the Oblačinska variety. Just assume you’ll get maybe 15 to 25 kg per tree after year five. For Oblačinska, you plant them at 4 x 2 meters. You could fit about 11,000 saplings—so 11,000 x 15 kg = 165,000 kg x $1.00 = $165. That’s basically your worst-case scenario: low yield and low prices. If you own the land, go for the orchard; government grants should pretty much cover the cost of the saplings. Once planted, you reclassify the land as an orchard and pull in an annual subsidy of $0.83 per acre. As for gear, you’ll need a tractor around 60 HP, a pneumatic tiller with a specialized attachment (it handles the rows between trees too), a wood chipper, a plow, and a sprayer. Budget about $15,000 for equipment, assuming you're buying used machinery. The tricky part is sourcing the right saplings; our local nurseries only sell grafted trees rather than growing them from rootstock. Trees grown from rootstock tend to be less vigorous, meaning you can cram more into an acre. Since these are grafted—usually onto sweet cherry rootstock—you get highly vigorous trees that require a wider spacing of 4 x 3.5 m.
For reading material, check out www.bookstore.com and www.usfood.com.
Personally, I’ve gathered quite a few articles from "Double Morning" and one book: *Cherry*, by Prof. Dr. Evica Mratinić, 2002 edition—New York City.

Regarding profitability—it really just comes down to how much capital you have to sustain it. Apples and pears are the most profitable, sure, but the upfront investment is massive. Blackberries are incredibly lucrative, but you need a ton of manual labor, which is becoming a nightmare here—it's getting harder to find people willing to work for decent wages. We went with Cherries because the buyback is more or less guaranteed and there isn't nearly as much handiwork involved. Harvesting is done with mechanical shakers.

Best,
Tyler Alvarez38 Tyler Alvarez38 Newcomer
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#113 ·
Bradley Foster38 said:I mean, I’ve been thinking about putting some money into a snail farm lately... I hear it's actually a pretty solid way to go!

Yeah, I've heard that too. Apparently, you don't see any real profit during that first year while they're all just growing or whatever snails do.
Bradley Phillips35 Bradley Phillips35 Member
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#114 ·
feralmaker96 said:200 plants for $3,500?😬 Who on earth is selling those? They must be desperate for cash because I’d happily drop that kind of money just to pick up 3 acres of prime farmland.
Any chance we can find out where this little plantation is actually located?😁.
A while back, I planted about 4,000 firs and spruces, and in the next few days, I’m putting in another 100 walnut trees.
I was completely clueless when I started, but after eight years of studying the craft and spending plenty of time out in the field, I finally know exactly what I'm doing. It used to eat up all my free time, but now that I've got the rhythm down, the whole process is much more streamlined.

This year is honestly terrible for planting firs and spruces...

Yet everyone and their mother is still out there planting them right now.😁
lonesurfer13 lonesurfer13 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2007
#115 ·
MicroStrategy, thanks so much for all the advice. I’ve got a few more questions, but I don’t want to bug you too much! I was wondering what your take is on the Rexel variety, and where can I find some high-quality seedlings at a decent price? Also, what exactly is a pneumatic tiller, and could a wood chipper handle the job instead? I’m assuming you mainly use that tiller to clear out weeds and chop up any branches you prune off... As for equipment, I’m pretty well set up—I actually picked up a brand-new tractor last year, and I’ve already got a plow and a sprayer ready to go. One thing though: what kind of pH level should I be aiming for to grow cherries? Mine is sitting at 4.9 right now. Finally, is it possible to sign a production contract with a company to secure income, or is it just a guessing game every single year? I ended up passing on hazelnuts because I feel like you can make way more per acre if you just pick the right crop...
William Hall2 William Hall2 Newcomer
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#116 ·
The plantation is located right near the high school. If anyone happens to have some decent literature on growing walnuts or hazelnuts, please let me know. I’m quite interested in getting into fruit cultivation myself.
That said, I haven't really heard from any seasoned pros yet. Is it actually worth the investment, or am I just chasing a pipe dream?😘
feralmaker96 feralmaker96 Member
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joined Oct 2006
#117 ·
Bradley Phillips35 said:This year is honestly terrible for planting firs and spruces...

Yet everyone and their mother is still out there planting them right now.😁


I’ve got 18,000 units in the ground. I’ve been doing this for 12 years, so I actually have an established market where I can move everything I grow. It’s easy enough to plant them, sure, but you actually need to know how to sell them. Everyone jumps into the business, but then they struggle to find buyers, which is why they come crawling to me—they know I can clear my inventory. It wasn't exactly smooth sailing when I first started, but after a decade of doing this, things have leveled out.
feralmaker96 feralmaker96 Member
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#118 ·
William Hall2 said:The plantation is located right near the high school. If anyone happens to have some decent literature on growing walnuts or hazelnuts, please let me know. I’m quite interested in getting into fruit cultivation myself.
That said, I haven't really heard from any seasoned pros yet. Is it actually worth the investment, or am I just chasing a pipe dream?😘

I think I know exactly which farm he's talking about.
Bradley Phillips35 Bradley Phillips35 Member
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#119 ·
feralmaker96 said:I’ve got 18,000 units in the ground. I’ve been doing this for 12 years, so I actually have an established market where I can move everything I grow. It’s easy enough to plant them, sure, but you actually need to know how to sell them. Everyone jumps into the business, but then they struggle to find buyers, which is why they come crawling to me—they know I can clear my inventory. It wasn't exactly smooth sailing when I first started, but after a decade of doing this, things have leveled out.

Oops, my bad! I totally thought you were some rookie just starting out. 🙂

My old man’s been planting these for 16 years... and my grandad was doing it for over 30 years before him.

Everyone is rushing to plant this year because prices were great, but who knows what next year looks like? If I had to guess, prices might actually climb higher since blueberries are basically non-existent right now... unless they start importing them. But honestly, how much would they even charge for imported cranberries?
Joseph Allen87 Joseph Allen87 Newcomer
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#120 ·
lonesurfer13 said:MicroStrategy, thanks so much for all the advice. I’ve got a few more questions, but I don’t want to bug you too much! I was wondering what your take is on the Rexel variety, and where can I find some high-quality seedlings at a decent price? Also, what exactly is a pneumatic tiller, and could a wood chipper handle the job instead? I’m assuming you mainly use that tiller to clear out weeds and chop up any branches you prune off... As for equipment, I’m pretty well set up—I actually picked up a brand-new tractor last year, and I’ve already got a plow and a sprayer ready to go. One thing though: what kind of pH level should I be aiming for to grow cherries? Mine is sitting at 4.9 right now. Finally, is it possible to sign a production contract with a company to secure income, or is it just a guessing game every single year? I ended up passing on hazelnuts because I feel like you can make way more per acre if you just pick the right crop...

Tomica026,
hit me up at glazbenik@yahoo.com.....
I'm not on the forum all that often.

Best,

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