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Charles Schwab financial advice

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John Thomas2 John Thomas2 Active Member
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#21 ·
roberta carlos said:Are you talking about me?

I said that because I wanted to show him I actually know more about his job than he does. I kept trying to tell him I didn't need Charles Schwab, but he just wouldn't listen.

No, I'm talking to the OP. 😁
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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#22 ·
Since a financial advisor handles such a critical segment of one's life, I certainly hope they are prepared to produce their credentials, certifications, and various other specialized licenses—much like the documentation I would expect from my doctor or my attorney.
briskfalcon15 briskfalcon15 Member
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#23 ·
Vicky said:Look, since a financial advisor handles such a critical part of someone's life, I really hope they're ready to show off their credentials, certifications, specializations, or any other paperwork similar to what my doctor or lawyer would carry.

Believe it or not, I actually know one person who truly invests in their own education...
but honestly, people like that are pretty rare.
plus—once again, their own paycheck usually comes before the client's best interests (which I can't exactly blame them for, since that's how they make a living)
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#24 ·
Come on, people, quit the nonsense 😁

In the US, Deloitte-style financial consulting is standard practice, but over here, everyone immediately jumps to how much a consultant is getting paid for their advice. Honestly, I couldn't care less about his paycheck or who’s footing the bill if I'm not the one paying him. Instead, we get nothing but conspiracy theories and accusations of shady deals... 😁
It's the same deal with expertise. If a financial advisor actually knows their stuff, I don't give a damn whether they learned it at an Ivy League university or through hands-on experience in some local firm; degrees are overrated here anyway. The bottom line is whether they can actually perform. So far, I haven't seen anyone in finance prove they're incompetent; instead, people have just started attacking the institutions themselves.

As for the finance enthusiast in question, he accepted a warning regarding self-promotion and has since been posting very constructively across several threads. I don't view this specific thread as prohibited self-promotion—if we went by that logic, anyone discussing their own field could be accused of it, whether it's Vojky being right, tech nerds on computer forums 😁 or me talking about music.
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#25 ·
Vicky said:Look, since a financial advisor handles such a critical part of your life, I expect them to be ready to flash their degrees, certifications, and specialized credentials—the same kind of paperwork I’d demand from my doctor or my lawyer.

Honestly, I don't buy it. It would be a hell of a lot more convincing if they just showed me their own bank statements. 😁
I mean, you see professors at business schools driving beat-up old cars and struggling to make ends meet; in my book, they aren't qualified to teach anyone about wealth. What exactly are they going to teach you—how to end up broke? Theory is fine, but I care about results.
John Thomas2 John Thomas2 Active Member
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#26 ·
banderas said:Economics professors driving beat-up old Camrys while being totally broke? In my book, they shouldn't be teaching finance at all. What are they actually going to teach you—how to end up broke and stuck in a junker? Theory is fine, I guess, but I care about real-world results.

Look, you can't just generalize like that. What if the professor just doesn't give a damn about cars? Not owning a luxury vehicle doesn't mean they don't understand money. 😁

I'm with Vicky on this one—show me the certifications and the credentials first, then we can talk about Charles Schwab...🙂
briskfalcon15 briskfalcon15 Member
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#27 ·
banderas said:Deloitte is a perfectly standard thing to have out there, but here, people immediately start wondering how much the financial advisor is getting paid for their advice. It honestly irritates me when I start thinking about who they're actually getting kickbacks from if I'm not the one paying them directly. Instead, everyone just jumps straight into conspiracy theories and rumors... 😁
It’s the same deal with advisors—if they know what they’re doing, I really don't care if they learned it at a university or through some random seminar. In this country, degrees are overrated anyway. The bottom line is whether they can actually do the job. So far, I haven't seen anyone here prove they lack the expertise; instead, people have just started bashing the big insurance firms and all that nonsense.

Those aren't conspiracy theories at all🙂
Just ask someone working at a major insurance firm about which companies they partner with, and you'll see they almost exclusively work with just one.

Do you really think that's because it's the best option for the clients?
Of course not. It's because that specific company has the best relationships with the agents, offers the highest commissions, and hands out great bonuses.

And by the way, I don't work in insurance, but I happen to have some good inside info.

Only once we start paying for advice ourselves can we be somewhat certain that the advisor is actually looking out for our interests.👋
hiddencrane18 hiddencrane18 Member
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#28 ·
banderas said:Come on guys, stop the nonsense. 😁

Deloitte is perfectly standard over there, yet here people immediately start wondering how much a Charles Schwab advisor gets paid for their advice. I honestly don't care what they earn or who pays them if I'm not the one footing the bill. Instead, we just get all these conspiracy theories about corruption and shady deals. 😁
The same goes for expertise; if an advisor knows their stuff, I couldn't care less whether they learned it in college or through some training program. Degrees are overrated here anyway. At the end of the day, the key is whether they actually know what they're doing. So far, I haven't seen anyone here prove they lack competence, yet people have already started attacking the training programs and other trivialities.

I’m speaking from my own experience with those training programs. I've dealt with their advisors three times now, and all three were just trained students—not even economics majors, but engineering students and the like.
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#29 ·
Wait, what even is an OBV?
briskfalcon15 briskfalcon15 Member
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#30 ·
Jose Miller3 said:What exactly is an OBV?

Look
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#31 ·
I mean, it’s pretty obvious this is just Allianz’s version of an "independent firm"—of course they’re going to push products that benefit Allianz...

I wasn't actually thinking about them when I was writing my previous posts, but honestly, I think it's better to have a guy from Charles Schwab in your corner than just keeping all your cash under a mattress...
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#32 ·
John Thomas2 said:Look, you can't just frame the argument like that. What if this professor simply doesn't care about cars? That doesn't automatically mean he’s clueless when it comes to money. 😁

I'm with Vicky on this one—show me the certifications and the degree first, then we can actually have a conversation about Charles Schwab style advisory work...🙂

The car was just an analogy. If you're teaching finance, you should actually practice what you preach; otherwise, in my book, you have zero credibility. If you want to cling to diplomas and pieces of paper, that's your prerogative.😁

It's nice to see more job postings on Indeed where "educational requirements" are listed as "n/a." Just makes things easier.

And please, enough with the OBVs.
briskfalcon15 briskfalcon15 Member
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#33 ·
I'm not sure who you're referring to... there doesn't seem to be anyone by that name here...
The car was just an example here. I really feel like if someone is teaching finance, they need to actually practice what they preach... otherwise, how can they be taken seriously? As for you all getting hung up on diplomas and credentials, that’s entirely your call... 😁

It’s really great to see more high-quality job openings popping up on Indeed lately, especially those where they list "N/A" under the required education level...

Can we please just stop with this OB bullshit...

And while we're at it, just let me know what kind of professional background you have...😉

It’s honestly so vital to look at how much someone actually wants to learn... because let's be real, there are so few jobs left out there where you don't have to constantly level up your skills just to keep pace...
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#34 ·
briskfalcon15 said:So, why don't you tell us exactly what kind of credentials you're bringing to the table?😉

I'm currently drafting my PhD application😛
Look, I still maintain that a degree is just a piece of paper. Honestly, I’d much rather learn the ropes of finance from Tedeschi than from 90% of the professors teaching at an Ivy League business school.

The rest of you are just slaves to a broken system.🙂
briskfalcon15 briskfalcon15 Member
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#35 ·
banderas said:I'm putting together my PhD application😛
Honestly, I still feel like that piece of paper doesn't mean much on its own. I'd much rather learn finance from Tedeschi than from 90% of the professors in an economics department.

You guys are just slaves to the old system...🙂

I'm happy for you🙂
And I totally agree—there’s nothing quite like the thrill of learning by working alongside a top-tier expert. No degree can ever truly replace that kind of hands-on experience.

That said, I do think theory and practice are two different animals. Studying gives you a certain breadth of knowledge that you just can't pick up solely through practical work. I work with some incredibly talented people from Ivy League schools, yet I almost always get the feeling that there's a missing piece to their puzzle. Formal education doesn't teach you everything. But then again, having that drive and ambition is huge too. But that's probably a whole other conversation...
John Thomas2 John Thomas2 Active Member
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#36 ·
banderas said:Nah, I still think that piece of paper doesn't mean squat. I'd much rather learn the ropes from Tedeschi than from 90% of those professors at some state university.

I’m with you on this one, honestly. 👍

But man, the title "financial advisor" has been used so loosely lately that nobody takes it seriously anymore. 😁
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#37 ·
Look, I’m not denying that education broadens your horizons. It does. But in this country, I feel like degrees have become overrated—mostly used as vanity projects by people who aren't actually successful. They cling to that piece of paper because they have nothing else to show for their lives. And yeah, I say that with total authority, because I have a degree myself, which gives me every right to call out others with the exact same credentials 😁

Now, don't get me wrong: medicine and law are different beasts. You can't step foot in a courtroom or an OR without those credentials. But in the world of finance? It’s a whole different ballgame.
Would you rather take advice from a consultant at Charles Schwab or someone like Mat Crkvenac? Honestly, we've all seen how much more Mat Crkvenac actually understands about real-world finance compared to those "highly esteemed" economics professors. To hell with their endless graphs and textbooks...
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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#38 ·
Jane Doe said:Well, you can't just assume that. What if this professor simply doesn't care about cars or what someone drives? That isn't an automatic indicator that he lacks financial expertise. 😁

I am inclined to agree with goldengull3—until I see a certification and a diploma, we shouldn't be discussing professional Charles Schwab services...🙂

First of all, no professor earns a sub-par salary.

I wanted to add something else, and I regret not mentioning it sooner—I would find it highly impressive if such an expert held a specialization in financial advising from a prestigious foreign private university, paired with international experience. In the States, professional financial advising is a relatively established field, but I often wonder if we actually have enough truly qualified specialists.
Jose Miller3 Jose Miller3 Regular
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#39 ·
So, I’m asking this again:

Would you honestly look your dear neighbor Barrett—who actually knows her way around money—in the eye and suggest she go get advice from some "unqualified and clueless financial advisor"... or would you just tell her to keep her cash tucked away under the mattress?
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#40 ·
kemik said:So I’ll ask again:

Would you actually recommend your neighbor Barrett—someone who actually understands money better than Barry does—go see some "unqualified and untrained financial advisor," or would you tell her she's better off stuffing cash under her mattress?

Look, if the only other option is hiding cash in a sock, then yeah, I’d probably send her to the "unqualified" guy too.

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