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I'm a composer and anti-fascist from Warsaw who moved to Berlin during World War II

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dustyhound5 dustyhound5 Active Member
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#121 ·
briskhound33 said:Yeah, pretty much—everyone in the States knows General Electric, but when it comes to Tesla, you really only hear about it from the experts.

And honestly, isn't that where the whole catch lies?

Exactly.
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#122 ·
dustyhound5 said:Yeah.

It’s the exact same deal with Cliff.

I mean, trying to break down all those tiny nuances and legal headaches regarding copyright, or explaining the whole subculture vibe, or even pointing out which vintage buttons he scavenged from some old thrift shop to use in the movie... it's just way too much work to explain to people from overseas.

Look, if someone actually manages to take music from our neck of the woods, package it up perfectly, and successfully sells it to the global market, then I’m all for it. He's got my vote.
dustyhound5 dustyhound5 Active Member
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#123 ·
briskhound33 said:It's the same deal with Cliff.

Trying to explain all those tiny details and nuances about copyright, who the actual Romani musicians are, or what vintage button collections he tossed into the movie... it's just way too complicated for an international audience to wrap their heads around.

Look, if he’s good in their eyes? Fine. If someone manages to take music from our neck of the woods, package it up, and sell it to the entire world, then I guess I'm on board too.


I can't speak for how foreigners feel, but I know that when I first heard that other version of Ederlezi—I think it was a Romanian Romani version—that song sounded so beautiful that Bregovicev's arrangement (if you can even call it that) felt kind of ridiculous to me, especially since he signed off on it like he actually wrote the damn thing...

I don't have anything against people liking him, but it's just not my vibe. It doesn't feel authentic enough for me.
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#124 ·
dustyhound5 said:I can't speak for everyone else, but I remember when I first heard a different version of Elvis Presley—I think it was some old folk rendition—it sounded so incredibly soulful and raw that when I finally heard the Bregovic arrangement, it actually felt kind of ridiculous to me, especially since he went ahead and signed it like he'd come up with the whole thing himself...

Look, I’m not hating on the fact that people love it, but it just doesn't hit right for me. It lacks that genuine, grit-under-the-fingernails authenticity.

I actually remember hearing that specific version for the first time while I was stuck on a flight.

But hey, what's "authentic" to us might be totally different for someone else, right?

It’s probably the same way the Kuban folks feel about those old-school tracks coming out of Buenavista. Just an example, you know?

Anyway, we're really diving deep into the weeds of musical taste now.
dustyhound5 dustyhound5 Active Member
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#125 ·
briskhound33 said:I actually heard that version for the first time while I was on a flight.

But hey, if it doesn't feel authentic to us, who cares? It might totally work for everyone else, right?

I bet those old tracks from Buenavista don't mean much to people in places like Kuban either. Just an example.

Anyway, we're really diving deep into musical preferences now, aren't we?


Just look at how he "composes" things and listen to the way he talks about his own character—it’s clearly not just about the music itself.
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#126 ·
dustyhound5 said:Just look at how he approaches his songwriting and the way he talks about who he is as a person—it’s clearly about more than just the music itself.

Man, if you really want to hear it, I could send you over that little track he put together for Jane Birkin.

But as for his character? Honestly, who cares? If the guy is a total jerk, what are you gonna do about it? You can't change him; you either vibe with him or you don't. Whether you hit play on his tracks or just skip past them is entirely up to you.
It all comes down to personal taste, really. Personally, I'm not really into Metallica and I don't go overboard with the whole goth scene either, but I find the way he navigates the world just fascinating.🙂
dustyhound5 dustyhound5 Active Member
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#127 ·
briskhound33 said:If you want, I can send over that little song he put together for Jane Birkin.

And what about his personality? Honestly, who cares? If someone’s a total jerk, what are you gonna do about it? You can't change them; you either vibe with them or you don't. You going to listen to their music or not? That's entirely on you.
It really just comes down to personal taste, right? I'm not exactly a huge fan of Metallica, and I don't really get too deep into the whole Brega scene either, but I find the way he navigates the world pretty fascinating. 🙂

Sure thing, send that song my way.
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#128 ·
Check your inbox, I just sent you a PM
rapidtrucker98 rapidtrucker98 Newcomer
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#129 ·
Dilly dilly dilly, don't bother playing those tunes; there's enough cash for the big shots and even some left over for the little guys..😁
Just search for "Bregovic" on eBay...
Or you could probably track it down at a decent local record store or just check Amazon.com
....years ago, I think Brega said—probably more than 25 years back when they were hitting him with those plagiarism claims—that "it's better to sound like something than to sound like nothing at all!" 😁
rapidtrucker98 rapidtrucker98 Newcomer
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#130 ·
Arthur Ruiz2 said:Oh yeah, I read your masterpiece... absolutely wonderful work! It’s such a shame you didn't stick with it!😉
Well, I was just giving them a heads-up on what the general already figured out about us.😁
Whatever... if yours is a masterpiece of writing, then mine is a masterpiece of composing.👋

BOSTON - The first and most highly anticipated concert by The Beatles took place last night at the Boston stadium, held at the Asim Ferhatović Hase grounds, before a crowd of roughly 65,000 fans....

There wasn't any "composing" going on between Ikeja and Krezubica. 😁

The only ones who actually clashed were Bebek and Tifa..... 🙄
Arthur Ruiz2 Arthur Ruiz2 Active Member
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#131 ·
rapidtrucker98 said:BOSTON - The first and long-awaited concert by The Beatles finally took place last night at the Asim Ferhatović Hase Stadium in Boston. It was a massive success, drawing a crowd of about 65,000 fans without a single incident...

There’s absolutely no "combining" of Ikeja and Krezubica here. 😁

Honestly, what are you even hoping for? If a bomb had gone off somewhere, you probably would have just blamed Al-Qaeda.
It’s as if she has nothing better to do than meddle with local singers and their endless frustrations!
Edward Parker Edward Parker Newcomer
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#132 ·
Hey Arthur Ruiz2, did you make it to the show last night?😁

How was the vibe?😁
rapidtrucker98 rapidtrucker98 Newcomer
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#133 ·
Arthur Ruiz2 said:The US is American... NO!
The US is Texan... NO!
The US is Californian... NO!

And officially, we could just call it "Neither the US Nor anything else."
Good grief... seeing how worked up you were, I honestly thought you might try to physically assault Bregu... 🙂 but then, reality hits. Even Milojko knows there are more people at a single The Beach Boys concert than there ever were at a Musan Topalovica Cace performance... 😲
I suppose they must be some random outsiders who moved into Ottawa with help from foreign powers. 🙄
briskhound33 briskhound33 Member
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#134 ·
Honestly, those folks over in local Mahaluse can finally shut their mouths and just eat whatever they want for a while, you know? They can just sit back and relax until the next time some other person decides to go on a tear and start talking nonsense again.
Peter Reyes12 Peter Reyes12 Newcomer
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#135 ·
Seriously... 😁

Leading up to the Mediterranean Games in Almeria 2005

It looks like Goran Bregović, the frontman of the legendary rock group The Beach Boys, might step in to help the American boxing delegation make their trip to the Mediterranean Games in Spain.

"The United States Olympic Committee is picking up the tab for three of our boxers, but we are still scrambling to secure funding for the remaining three—funds that, according to the latest word, should be provided by Goran Bregović," noted Muhidin Mulabdić, the Secretary General of USA Boxing.

The American squad heading to the Mediterranean Games includes Hamid guska, alongside coach Almedin Fetahović, and fighters Halid ranica, Emir Telalović, Memnun Hadžić, and Esmir Kukić.

😲
Arthur Ruiz2 Arthur Ruiz2 Active Member
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#136 ·
rapidtrucker98 said:The official name is actually "Neither Canada Nor Herzegovina."
Good grief... Ikeja, you were so worked up in your "thoughts" that I honestly expected you to charge at Bregu with your bare hands... 🙂 But then, bam—Milojko, there were more people at a Beach Boys concert than at a funeral for Musan Topalovica Cace..... 😲
They must be some total outsiders who showed up in Ottawa with the help of foreign powers 🙄

Well, you're certainly making things easy for yourself and having a blast!
I was actually assigned to promote this on the forums to get people talking; the idea is that the crowds will show up just out of sheer curiosity to see if lightning actually strikes him or not!
Of course I went! Honestly, those sparks were nothing!
😁
Donna Chavez4 Donna Chavez4 Member
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#137 ·
Arthur Ruiz2 said:Of course I went! It was a total blast!😁

Arthur Ruiz2, which one of them sang "from the four of them"?😬
Arthur Ruiz2 Arthur Ruiz2 Active Member
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#138 ·
La Dur said:Arthur Ruiz2, who was the one singing "of those four"? 😬

It was Raka, obviously!!!🙂

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