Moderation for PDF: Edge of Science II Alternatives

Roger Cooper91 said:I’m calling on the mods to step in and deal with Rorion’s absolute meltdown in this thread about flat earth theory. On top of everything else, he’s now bringing my mother into this and accusing me of being sacrilegious just because I questioned him. He’s basically peddling blatant antisemitism following one of his incredibly shady comments regarding the New York Times.

Give me a break. You’re the one who slapped the antisemitism label on me twice, spinning a narrative that The New York Times somehow reflects my worldview, even after I explicitly told you I can't stand intolerance or totalitarianism and that I'm all about tolerance—but you just wouldn't let it go, so I gave you a taste of your own medicine by suggesting you should talk to your mother the same way, since maybe she’s the one with the real issues.

I didn't call you out; I asked you a question, and you responded by saying you don't give a damn about this forum. What are you, the Pope or some high priest? Honestly, I’m not going to sit here and bicker with you. I'll just let a moderator take a look at your trolling on a serious topic and how you keep dragging people's mothers into these arguments. I can think whatever I want about you, but I refuse to bring anyone's mother into it out of respect—that's just how I was raised. It’s also absolutely disgusting how you post pictures just to mock people with lower IQs; it really gets under the skin of several people here. You’re toxic and you do nothing but insult others. You contribute zero to the discussion except for being a jerk, and without any moderation, you're just dragging everyone else down into the mud with you.

I honestly don't care if your feelings are hurt. You're the one constantly poking the bear and baiting me—just look at thread 7765, post #7718, to see how you've been instigating this twice already. As for all this talk about toxicity, maybe take that conversation home to someone else, assuming you aren't currently enrolled in some kind of behavioral rehab center. Look, I’m not your priest or your father; if you can't handle a basic Tolerance policy, then stop throwing labels around and expecting a standing ovation for your outrage.

Who’s talking about what? Jason Grant is talking about the Tolerance policy. 🤦🤦🤦

Look, Jason Grant, if you weren't being so incredibly obnoxious, I might actually find you funny. Honestly, I have to wonder—what is going on with you? Are you dealing with some deep-seated issues, or are you just on something? Maybe you're just wired wrong or totally out of it? That’s your business, truly. But please, keep it to yourself. If you're feeling this aggressive, just do us all a favor and stay away. Some of us come here to relax, chat, and actually enjoy ourselves. It's summer, it's hot, and the evenings should be spent having lighthearted debates, not getting dragged into whatever drama you're manufacturing.
Bringing up people's mothers, calling folks idiots, making creepy sexual comments, or just hurling insults left and right... man, it really just shows how you were raised. It's pretty obvious from your behavior that you have zero ability to communicate normally with anyone. Seriously, way too many people end up being mentioned by you in a negative light, which makes it clear you just struggle to get along with people. If your only goal is to pad your post count like that one other guy used to do, fine—that's your choice. But go find some random chat room and type away until sunrise if that's what you need.
In less than 24 hours, I’ve seen you attack at least four different members by bringing up their moms. Personally, I'm just glad I don't know you in person, because I wouldn't want to hang out with someone like you in real life. But hey, that's just my opinion. As far as your presence here goes, you've officially earned a permanent ban from any meaningful discussion with me on any topic whatsoever. So, please, just stop commenting on my posts and stop trying to act like you're smarter than everyone else. You aren't; you're just pretending. When it comes to actual topics, your knowledge is honestly pathetic and you're a pretty terrible person to talk to.
That's all from me. 🍿☕

Brenda Gonzalez12 is back at it again with her latest meltdown.

She’s calling me an moron just because she couldn't prove that the layout of the Nile riverbed is somehow evidence for how the pyramids were built.

Look, Brenda, all your arguments basically evaporate the moment you start acting this egotistical; you insult anyone with a different perspective and straight-up violate our site's community guidelines.
The way you write completely undermines any sense of expertise you might have had, and honestly, it just highlights a massive lack of basic decency, manners, and even a simple tolerance policy.

What does any of this even have to do with the topic "Pyramids—Who They Are and How They Were Built"?
"incest is the best"

I mean, what kind of nonsense are you pulling now?
"It might be better if we stop writing, otherwise we'll end up with gelatin or graphite sarcophagi (Mohs 1) instead of "
And yet, you have the nerve to lecture everyone else about writing gibberish.

Brenda, why don't you just list all the users on this board you've decided are idiots!
"Man, every idiot on this thread has posted that ONE SAME film about that huge obelisk from Aswan at least once."

Brenda, seriously, how is this relevant to the discussion?
"I can't get Prelog out of my head. The 'Center of the world' obviously isn't in Prelog, it's in Ludbreg. My apologies to the folks in Ludbreg, here's a free drink for them."

Brenda, why are you labeling the other members as "pathetic"?

Then there's this one—you have to read this to believe it. When the user gricka asks a question, Brenda swoops in with her signature trolling style.
"It's probably like someone and nobody, from Nowhere, made something based on what someone said or from nothing they made nothing so it's unknown because it couldn't be done so some people doubted that someone made something for someone but nobody knows because it couldn't be done so someone could say something..."

Jason Grant, you might not realize it—you probably think you’re just giving people a taste of their own medicine when they provoke you—but objectively speaking, your posts come off way more repulsive than anyone else on this board. Whether they’re pro-alternative energy or strictly against it, nobody else hits this low. Since you jump from one topic to the next, it honestly feels like you're just polluting this entire thread with some kind of toxic energy. Look, I have nothing against you personally—don't go thinking this is a vendetta—but I’m telling you plainly how it looks from the outside. Everyone else is out here debating the actual issues, even if they call each other stupid, uneducated, or corporate shills—which isn't right, obviously—but you’ve taken it to a whole different level by bringing mothers into it. You've genuinely soured the whole atmosphere, and frankly, it’s embarrassing to even read what you write—especially coming from someone who claims to be into alternative lifestyles and living in harmony with nature and all that.

Brenda Gonzalez12, I’ll get back to you once I’m home from dealing with the family and work 🙂, though I suspect there isn't much point in dragging this out any further... 🕺
I haven't even bothered to read your entire response because there's really no need; I can tell just by glancing at how you start your sentences and how you skip around the text that you're just playing the same broken record. It seems everything has to be done exactly your way, and if anyone dares to suggest a different path, they're simply wrong or foolish.
It's probably best if I just let you cling to that conviction.
That might honestly be the worst thing for you in the long run, but it's your choice to make, and I suppose I'll respect it...

I really don't have the energy to spend months on this kind of hollow dialogue, repeating myself over and over only to end up reading your own recycled arguments again. In the end, the conclusion and our differing perspectives will be exactly where they started. 🤷

You haven't budged an inch on your position (if anything, you've just dug your heels in deeper), nor have I moved on mine—not that I'm trying to change your mind or even particularly care to. 🤷
Everything following these debates and exchanges of ideas usually ends up exactly where it began (which is 99.99% of the cases on these forums), so I have to wonder—is it even worth wasting our time or taxing the servers? 🤷

Since you were the one who originally started this thread regarding moderation, I don't see much sense in drifting off-topic; perhaps we should wait until some actual moderators step in before continuing the discussion...🙂

Jason Grant said:

Brenda Gonzalez12 is back at it again with her latest meltdown.

She’s calling me an moron just because she couldn't prove that the layout of the Nile riverbed is somehow evidence for how the pyramids were built.

Look, Brenda, all your arguments basically evaporate the moment you start acting this egotistical; you insult anyone with a different perspective and straight-up violate our site's community guidelines.
The way you write completely undermines any sense of expertise you might have had, and honestly, it just highlights a massive lack of basic decency, manners, and even a simple tolerance policy.

What does any of this even have to do with the topic "Pyramids—Who They Are and How They Were Built"?
"incest is the best"

I mean, what kind of nonsense are you pulling now?
"It might be better if we stop writing, otherwise we'll end up with gelatin or graphite sarcophagi (Mohs 1) instead of "
And yet, you have the nerve to lecture everyone else about writing gibberish.

Brenda, why don't you just list all the users on this board you've decided are idiots!
"Man, every idiot on this thread has posted that ONE SAME film about that huge obelisk from Aswan at least once."

Brenda, seriously, how is this relevant to the discussion?
"I can't get Prelog out of my head. The 'Center of the world' obviously isn't in Prelog, it's in Ludbreg. My apologies to the folks in Ludbreg, here's a free drink for them."

Brenda, why are you labeling the other members as "pathetic"?

Then there's this one—you have to read this to believe it. When the user gricka asks a question, Brenda swoops in with her signature trolling style.
"It's probably like someone and nobody, from Nowhere, made something based on what someone said or from nothing they made nothing so it's unknown because it couldn't be done so some people doubted that someone made something for someone but nobody knows because it couldn't be done so someone could say something..."

Since you're TRYING so hard to be witty, maybe try reading the posts around you first. Honestly, everything you just pasted has already been explained. It's the exact same stuff Elizabeth Jackson posted. She was also "stuck" on those same posts, but she didn't take the time to actually read the thread before rushing to grab them. So please, don't try to lecture me when you're the one lagging behind.

Bringing someone's mother into the conversation on this forum is the absolute rock bottom of behavior. And YOU, of all people, have zero right to criticize anyone else, Jason. Take a look in the mirror and read over your own track record. I would be genuinely embarrassed if I had ever written something like that to anyone here, truly. ☕

Elizabeth Jackson said:Brenda Gonzalez12, I’ll get back to you once I’m home from dealing with the family and work 🙂, though I suspect there isn't much point in dragging this out any further... 🕺
I haven't even bothered to read your entire response because there's really no need; I can tell just by glancing at how you start your sentences and how you skip around the text that you're just playing the same broken record. It seems everything has to be done exactly your way, and if anyone dares to suggest a different path, they're simply wrong or foolish.
It's probably best if I just let you cling to that conviction.
That might honestly be the worst thing for you in the long run, but it's your choice to make, and I suppose I'll respect it...

I really don't have the energy to spend months on this kind of hollow dialogue, repeating myself over and over only to end up reading your own recycled arguments again. In the end, the conclusion and our differing perspectives will be exactly where they started. 🤷

You haven't budged an inch on your position (if anything, you've just dug your heels in deeper), nor have I moved on mine—not that I'm trying to change your mind or even particularly care to. 🤷
Everything following these debates and exchanges of ideas usually ends up exactly where it began (which is 99.99% of the cases on these forums), so I have to wonder—is it even worth wasting our time or taxing the servers? 🤷

Since you were the one who originally started this thread regarding moderation, I don't see much sense in drifting off-topic; perhaps we should wait until some actual moderators step in before continuing the discussion...🙂

Elizabeth, before you start typing away, I'd really suggest you take a second to read your own post, check those links you posted, look at the specific part of the thread you're accusing me of, and read the comments too. Also, could you maybe swap out that "we" for "I"? It sounds a little silly when you try to hide behind a collective "we"—is it "we" because you're acting like multiple people, or are you pretending to be a spokesperson for some mysterious group?
And listen, if you're going to claim you respect other people's views, then actually *do* it instead of just saying it and doing the exact opposite. Because that's what's happening. It's always the hardest thing to do: looking in the mirror when you're busy judging everyone else. You can't even bring yourself to ask if one of YOUR own opinions might be flawed, yet you're so ready to try and change everyone else's. And then you call for a Tolerance policy. That's not how it works.
But hey, I'll happily read whatever you have to say once you've done that!

I’ve gone back through your arguments several times now because you seem to be circling the same points over and over. I think I finally have a clear grasp of where you stand, so for my part, the debate is over. Honestly, I don't see any point in beating a dead horse or spiraling into an endless, exhausting discussion about something that just doesn't warrant this much energy anymore. 🥱

Look, you’re entitled to your opinion, and everyone else here is too. If you feel like things are getting unclear or if there's some issue with how we're communicating, I'd suggest reaching out to the site moderators who handle the forum rules.

I laid everything out for you in my previous post, so I really don't see the need to repeat myself. Please, let's not start acting like Plants112, going in circles and doing the exact same thing all over again...

Elizabeth Jackson said:I’ve gone back through your arguments several times now because you seem to be circling the same points over and over. I think I finally have a clear grasp of where you stand, so for my part, the debate is over. Honestly, I don't see any point in beating a dead horse or spiraling into an endless, exhausting discussion about something that just doesn't warrant this much energy anymore. 🥱

Look, you’re entitled to your opinion, and everyone else here is too. If you feel like things are getting unclear or if there's some issue with how we're communicating, I'd suggest reaching out to the site moderators who handle the forum rules.

I laid everything out for you in my previous post, so I really don't see the need to repeat myself. Please, let's not start acting like Plants112, going in circles and doing the exact same thing all over again...

It’s pretty rich, isn't it? Someone who spends months calling other users idiots and mercenaries without getting banned somehow has the nerve to hide behind the "moderators" who maintain "order" on this forum.

That’s just how it goes. People drop these half-baked conclusions, and then when you actually call them out and ask them to explain the reasoning behind their claims, they hit a wall. The conversation just dies right there. They suddenly have no time, no willpower, no actual arguments, and zero answers left to give.

I honestly think this is one of the biggest reasons why we see so few genuine, legitimate alternative thinkers here—and really, anywhere for that matter. I'm talking about people who actually possess real knowledge and, more importantly, actually stand by what they say. Their views might not be strictly "scientific," and they might be unconventional in every possible way, but they produce actual results. They offer something useful that could eventually become part of mainstream understanding once it's accepted as being good or positive.
And most importantly, they can defend those ideas against any scrutiny or tough questioning. Those are the true alternative thinkers.

On another note, it’s pretty funny watching Elizabeth Jackson actually invoke the "forum moderators" while she herself was saying all sorts of things regarding the person mentioned earlier. That’s exactly where the issue lies. It’s a double standard. People want different rules and different rights depending on who they are representing. They preach about freedom of speech, yet they won't support their own positions or take responsibility when someone points out their mistakes, slips, or outright falsehoods. When their accuracy is questioned, they just lash out with attacks and ad hominem insults. At that point, it isn't even an "opinion"—it’s something much, much flimsier. But hey... that’s just life. When people can get away with it, they will.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:That’s just how it goes. People drop these half-baked conclusions, and then when you actually call them out and ask them to explain the reasoning behind their claims, they hit a wall. The conversation just dies right there. They suddenly have no time, no willpower, no actual arguments, and zero answers left to give.

I honestly think this is one of the biggest reasons why we see so few genuine, legitimate alternative thinkers here—and really, anywhere for that matter. I'm talking about people who actually possess real knowledge and, more importantly, actually stand by what they say. Their views might not be strictly "scientific," and they might be unconventional in every possible way, but they produce actual results. They offer something useful that could eventually become part of mainstream understanding once it's accepted as being good or positive.
And most importantly, they can defend those ideas against any scrutiny or tough questioning. Those are the true alternative thinkers.

On another note, it’s pretty funny watching Elizabeth Jackson actually invoke the "forum moderators" while she herself was saying all sorts of things regarding the person mentioned earlier. That’s exactly where the issue lies. It’s a double standard. People want different rules and different rights depending on who they are representing. They preach about freedom of speech, yet they won't support their own positions or take responsibility when someone points out their mistakes, slips, or outright falsehoods. When their accuracy is questioned, they just lash out with attacks and ad hominem insults. At that point, it isn't even an "opinion"—it’s something much, much flimsier. But hey... that’s just life. When people can get away with it, they will.

I think I’ve laid out just about everything I have to say regarding this topic. If you honestly believe I’m going to sit here and circle back to the same arguments for months on end—just like you and others in your camp seem to do—then you’re sorely mistaken.
Everyone has voiced their opinion, and I suppose that’s really all there is to it.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:That’s just how it goes. People drop these half-baked conclusions, and then when you actually call them out and ask them to explain the reasoning behind their claims, they hit a wall. The conversation just dies right there. They suddenly have no time, no willpower, no actual arguments, and zero answers left to give.

I honestly think this is one of the biggest reasons why we see so few genuine, legitimate alternative thinkers here—and really, anywhere for that matter. I'm talking about people who actually possess real knowledge and, more importantly, actually stand by what they say. Their views might not be strictly "scientific," and they might be unconventional in every possible way, but they produce actual results. They offer something useful that could eventually become part of mainstream understanding once it's accepted as being good or positive.
And most importantly, they can defend those ideas against any scrutiny or tough questioning. Those are the true alternative thinkers.

On another note, it’s pretty funny watching Elizabeth Jackson actually invoke the "forum moderators" while she herself was saying all sorts of things regarding the person mentioned earlier. That’s exactly where the issue lies. It’s a double standard. People want different rules and different rights depending on who they are representing. They preach about freedom of speech, yet they won't support their own positions or take responsibility when someone points out their mistakes, slips, or outright falsehoods. When their accuracy is questioned, they just lash out with attacks and ad hominem insults. At that point, it isn't even an "opinion"—it’s something much, much flimsier. But hey... that’s just life. When people can get away with it, they will.

It’s certainly a relief that you decided to share that with us. I suppose we all owe you one for stepping up and laying it out like that. 😘

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:That’s just how it goes. People drop these half-baked conclusions, and then when you actually call them out and ask them to explain the reasoning behind their claims, they hit a wall. The conversation just dies right there. They suddenly have no time, no willpower, no actual arguments, and zero answers left to give.

I honestly think this is one of the biggest reasons why we see so few genuine, legitimate alternative thinkers here—and really, anywhere for that matter. I'm talking about people who actually possess real knowledge and, more importantly, actually stand by what they say. Their views might not be strictly "scientific," and they might be unconventional in every possible way, but they produce actual results. They offer something useful that could eventually become part of mainstream understanding once it's accepted as being good or positive.
And most importantly, they can defend those ideas against any scrutiny or tough questioning. Those are the true alternative thinkers.

On another note, it’s pretty funny watching Elizabeth Jackson actually invoke the "forum moderators" while she herself was saying all sorts of things regarding the person mentioned earlier. That’s exactly where the issue lies. It’s a double standard. People want different rules and different rights depending on who they are representing. They preach about freedom of speech, yet they won't support their own positions or take responsibility when someone points out their mistakes, slips, or outright falsehoods. When their accuracy is questioned, they just lash out with attacks and ad hominem insults. At that point, it isn't even an "opinion"—it’s something much, much flimsier. But hey... that’s just life. When people can get away with it, they will.

If you’re referring to the Bat kolo situation, I actually exercised my right as a forum member back then and filed a formal complaint against PŽK regarding how they handled things. That really covers everything I have to say on the matter.
It seems like everyone else here is just exercising their right to jump on Begemotica, even though I thought she did a fantastic job on this PDF—staying completely impartial and thorough throughout.
Well, that’s exactly why we have the PŽK in place. Honestly, without those regulations, I suspect things would just fall apart at the seams—people would be losing their cool so badly they wouldn't even be able to vent their frustrations here. 😁

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:That’s just how it goes. People drop these half-baked conclusions, and then when you actually call them out and ask them to explain the reasoning behind their claims, they hit a wall. The conversation just dies right there. They suddenly have no time, no willpower, no actual arguments, and zero answers left to give.

I honestly think this is one of the biggest reasons why we see so few genuine, legitimate alternative thinkers here—and really, anywhere for that matter. I'm talking about people who actually possess real knowledge and, more importantly, actually stand by what they say. Their views might not be strictly "scientific," and they might be unconventional in every possible way, but they produce actual results. They offer something useful that could eventually become part of mainstream understanding once it's accepted as being good or positive.
And most importantly, they can defend those ideas against any scrutiny or tough questioning. Those are the true alternative thinkers.

On another note, it’s pretty funny watching Elizabeth Jackson actually invoke the "forum moderators" while she herself was saying all sorts of things regarding the person mentioned earlier. That’s exactly where the issue lies. It’s a double standard. People want different rules and different rights depending on who they are representing. They preach about freedom of speech, yet they won't support their own positions or take responsibility when someone points out their mistakes, slips, or outright falsehoods. When their accuracy is questioned, they just lash out with attacks and ad hominem insults. At that point, it isn't even an "opinion"—it’s something much, much flimsier. But hey... that’s just life. When people can get away with it, they will.

🥱

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:That’s just how it goes. People drop these half-baked conclusions, and then when you actually call them out and ask them to explain the reasoning behind their claims, they hit a wall. The conversation just dies right there. They suddenly have no time, no willpower, no actual arguments, and zero answers left to give.

I honestly think this is one of the biggest reasons why we see so few genuine, legitimate alternative thinkers here—and really, anywhere for that matter. I'm talking about people who actually possess real knowledge and, more importantly, actually stand by what they say. Their views might not be strictly "scientific," and they might be unconventional in every possible way, but they produce actual results. They offer something useful that could eventually become part of mainstream understanding once it's accepted as being good or positive.
And most importantly, they can defend those ideas against any scrutiny or tough questioning. Those are the true alternative thinkers.

On another note, it’s pretty funny watching Elizabeth Jackson actually invoke the "forum moderators" while she herself was saying all sorts of things regarding the person mentioned earlier. That’s exactly where the issue lies. It’s a double standard. People want different rules and different rights depending on who they are representing. They preach about freedom of speech, yet they won't support their own positions or take responsibility when someone points out their mistakes, slips, or outright falsehoods. When their accuracy is questioned, they just lash out with attacks and ad hominem insults. At that point, it isn't even an "opinion"—it’s something much, much flimsier. But hey... that’s just life. When people can get away with it, they will.

If you're going to claim there’s an ad hominem attack or anything even remotely similar happening, you really ought to be able to provide links to back that up. It isn't particularly fair to just make things up. 😁