Wild Capitalism
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#22 ·
Vojka said:Basically—though it doesn't have to be—a city or municipality can issue municipal bonds and then use that cash to jumpstart economic growth right in their own backyard...
Heh, I’m dying to know if anyone actually put something like that in their platform for this Sunday's local elections. 🙂
Everything is all set up in Cleveland, they just needed a little nudge—but man, what a headache... our laws prohibit local governments from taking on debt exceeding 2% of last year's revenue—and that's for everyone combined... so now Cleveland is just waiting in line behind everyone else who filed first to see if they can eventually look into issuing those municipal bonds.
That's what you call encouraging cities and towns to take some initiative themselves, right?
#23 ·
There’s an interesting piece by Ratko Bošković in today's Time Magazine under the unfettered capitalism section, titled "Ownership restructuring with so much looting that the players are hunted down like murderers."
The author lays out the basics pretty well, but if you actually know how this stuff works, it’s obvious he missed the point entirely. I’m going to drop my own analysis to explain what’s actually controversial here and how this mess should finally be settled. Honestly, I even have some skin in the game on this one.
I checked back to see when the previous comment was posted. Turns out it was May 2005. Either that's terrible, or just "great."
The author lays out the basics pretty well, but if you actually know how this stuff works, it’s obvious he missed the point entirely. I’m going to drop my own analysis to explain what’s actually controversial here and how this mess should finally be settled. Honestly, I even have some skin in the game on this one.
I checked back to see when the previous comment was posted. Turns out it was May 2005. Either that's terrible, or just "great."
#24 ·
Write up an analysis and we'll give it a read.
It’s funny how economic topics barely get any traction here—even though those are the issues that actually matter. Instead, everyone just wants to obsess over WWII... which feels like a total distraction to keep people from talking about the real economy.🤦.
Basically, it's just bread and circuses—except nowadays, there isn't even any bread.
It’s funny how economic topics barely get any traction here—even though those are the issues that actually matter. Instead, everyone just wants to obsess over WWII... which feels like a total distraction to keep people from talking about the real economy.🤦.
Basically, it's just bread and circuses—except nowadays, there isn't even any bread.
#25 ·
If you’ve gone out somewhere and gathered so many apples that there isn't a single one left for me, and then you decide to let me watch them for you—offering me maybe a quarter of an apple, or whatever amount you deem reasonable—how else am I supposed to describe that besides unfettered capitalism? 😁
#26 ·
gentlelynx11 said:If you’ve gone out somewhere and gathered so many apples that there isn't a single one left for me, and then you decide to let me watch them for you—offering me maybe a quarter of an apple, or whatever amount you deem reasonable—how else am I supposed to describe that besides unfettered capitalism? 😁
No, honestly, it's just the law of the jungle, and it's been ruling the world since day one. The real issue is how we’re raised; we’re taught from childhood that people are inherently good and honest, and that being virtuous is the only way to be. But by the time someone raised that way finally realizes how the world actually works, they've usually spent years getting stepped on, losing countless opportunities to actually compete on a level playing field.
The problem is that most of us just can't stomach the brutal reality, so we lie to ourselves to our own detriment. The Church played a massive role in this, constantly hammering away at our sense of guilt.
#27 ·
Michelle Davis15 said:No, honestly, it's just the law of the jungle, and it's been ruling the world since day one. The real issue is how we’re raised; we’re taught from childhood that people are inherently good and honest, and that being virtuous is the only way to be. But by the time someone raised that way finally realizes how the world actually works, they've usually spent years getting stepped on, losing countless opportunities to actually compete on a level playing field.
The problem is that most of us just can't stomach the brutal reality, so we lie to ourselves to our own detriment. The Church played a massive role in this, constantly hammering away at our sense of guilt.
I don't think people are bad by nature. If anything, I think we're rational beings who can tell right from wrong. And I agree with your point, though with a slight nuance. We aren't talking about one "well-raised" individual. It's more that an "unrefined" individual acts like a rotten apple in a barrel of good ones, and eventually, everything else starts to rot too.
Anyway, I suppose one day people will finally realize that no matter how strong a single person might be, they'll never be stronger than ten working together.
#28 ·
Michelle Davis15 said:No, honestly, it's just the law of the jungle, and it's been ruling the world since day one. The real issue is how we’re raised; we’re taught from childhood that people are inherently good and honest, and that being virtuous is the only way to be. But by the time someone raised that way finally realizes how the world actually works, they've usually spent years getting stepped on, losing countless opportunities to actually compete on a level playing field.
The problem is that most of us just can't stomach the brutal reality, so we lie to ourselves to our own detriment. The Church played a massive role in this, constantly hammering away at our sense of guilt.
The law of the strongest was perfectly sufficient back when a man could just bash someone over the head to take his partner or his food.
However, in a society as complex as modern civilization, survival of the fittest alone just doesn't cut it anymore.
Think about electricity, water systems, highways, the internet, commerce, travel... all these essential services require cooperation.
It all comes down to specialization and cooperation.
#29 ·
Amy Brooks13 said:There’s an interesting piece by Ratko Bošković in today's Time Magazine under the unfettered capitalism section, titled "Ownership restructuring with so much looting that the players are hunted down like murderers."
The author lays out the basics pretty well, but if you actually know how this stuff works, it’s obvious he missed the point entirely. I’m going to drop my own analysis to explain what’s actually controversial here and how this mess should finally be settled. Honestly, I even have some skin in the game on this one.
I checked back to see when the previous comment was posted. Turns out it was May 2005. Either that's terrible, or just "great."
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#30 ·
It’s actually quite simple to explain why capitalism is the greatest crime ever committed on this planet.
The whole system is basically just a massive game of Monopoly where, eventually, one guy ends up owning every single luxury hotel on the board...
Mathematically speaking, capitalism just doesn't work—especially this mutated, neoliberal version we're stuck with right now.
Sure, mathematical capitalism can function as long as there's always somewhere new to expand into, but let's face it: Earth is a pretty finite place.
I honestly think the imminent collapse of capitalism might cause more bloodshed than we've seen in human history, but hey, maybe it's a small price to pay for our future.
The whole system is basically just a massive game of Monopoly where, eventually, one guy ends up owning every single luxury hotel on the board...
Mathematically speaking, capitalism just doesn't work—especially this mutated, neoliberal version we're stuck with right now.
Sure, mathematical capitalism can function as long as there's always somewhere new to expand into, but let's face it: Earth is a pretty finite place.
I honestly think the imminent collapse of capitalism might cause more bloodshed than we've seen in human history, but hey, maybe it's a small price to pay for our future.
#31 ·
Mark Harris66 said:Write up an analysis and we'll give it a read.
It’s funny how economic topics barely get any traction here—even though those are the issues that actually matter. Instead, everyone just wants to obsess over WWII... which feels like a total distraction to keep people from talking about the real economy.🤦.
Basically, it's just bread and circuses—except nowadays, there isn't even any bread.
That sounds like someone who’s been way too deep into authority-driven political indoctrination.
In this day and age, politics should really just be serving capital (the economy).
True sovereignty in economic thought is worth more than dozens of tanks or howitzers.
stormyeagle65 said:It’s actually quite simple to explain why capitalism is the greatest crime ever committed on this planet.
The whole system is basically just a massive game of Monopoly where, eventually, one guy ends up owning every single luxury hotel on the board...
Mathematically speaking, capitalism just doesn't work—especially this mutated, neoliberal version we're stuck with right now.
Sure, mathematical capitalism can function as long as there's always somewhere new to expand into, but let's face it: Earth is a pretty finite place.
I honestly think the imminent collapse of capitalism might cause more bloodshed than we've seen in human history, but hey, maybe it's a small price to pay for our future.
Look, boy, if it weren't for capitalism, you wouldn't even have free access to the internet to post your nonsense. Honestly, every single word in your post is pure stupidity.
#32 ·
You’re totally right—back when I was living through the dark days of communism forty years ago, we had steady jobs and guaranteed housing. Meanwhile, Americans were busy hooking up fiber optic cables to the Internet and liking each other's posts on Facebook.
By the way, that counterargument you threw at my last post is brilliant in its own way, though deeply rooted in capitalism; if you can't actually refute a point, just label it "stupid" and call it a day.
By the way, that counterargument you threw at my last post is brilliant in its own way, though deeply rooted in capitalism; if you can't actually refute a point, just label it "stupid" and call it a day.
#33 ·
Every single country under communism eventually tanked. Look at Venezuela—it was supposed to be this communist paradise, right? Instead, it’s a disaster. Then you’ve got the USSR, America, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany (and honestly, if even the Germans couldn't make it work, nobody's gonna succeed)... oh, and North Korea is basically a "heaven on earth" too, isn't it? I don't want to be mean, but there are just way too many countries where communism failed miserably and left people with a terrible quality of life (I mean, DPRK is basically Orwell's 1984 come to life). I guess you'd have to be seriously mentally deficient—like, just a total moron—to buy into the idea that communism was great or that some future version is going to be the ultimate solution.
#34 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:Every single country under communism eventually tanked. Look at Venezuela—it was supposed to be this communist paradise, right? Instead, it’s a disaster. Then you’ve got the USSR, America, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany (and honestly, if even the Germans couldn't make it work, nobody's gonna succeed)... oh, and North Korea is basically a "heaven on earth" too, isn't it? I don't want to be mean, but there are just way too many countries where communism failed miserably and left people with a terrible quality of life (I mean, DPRK is basically Orwell's 1984 come to life). I guess you'd have to be seriously mentally deficient—like, just a total moron—to buy into the idea that communism was great or that some future version is going to be the ultimate solution.
It sounds like you've totally bought into the myth that capitalism is the ultimate solution.
The whole ideology behind capitalism is just built on making sure everyone works their tails off so a select few can live the high life, all while keeping the masses distracted from day one.
And judging by your post, I see you're a walking, breathing example of how well it works.
#35 ·
Michelle Davis15 said:No, honestly, it's just the law of the jungle, and it's been ruling the world since day one. The real issue is how we’re raised; we’re taught from childhood that people are inherently good and honest, and that being virtuous is the only way to be. But by the time someone raised that way finally realizes how the world actually works, they've usually spent years getting stepped on, losing countless opportunities to actually compete on a level playing field.
The problem is that most of us just can't stomach the brutal reality, so we lie to ourselves to our own detriment. The Church played a massive role in this, constantly hammering away at our sense of guilt.
I'm with you on this...
Christianity basically gutted the West because it prioritizes faith over actual reason, which was pretty much set in stone after the Council of Nicaea.
They started portraying priests as "shepherds" back around the 3rd century, and it hasn't stopped since (and if they're the shepherds, what does that make the rest of us?)
In a place like rural America, where those old traditions still run deep, you really see the damage it does...
#36 ·
stormyeagle65 said:It sounds like you've totally bought into the myth that capitalism is the ultimate solution.
The whole ideology behind capitalism is just built on making sure everyone works their tails off so a select few can live the high life, all while keeping the masses distracted from day one.
And judging by your post, I see you're a walking, breathing example of how well it works.
Popijo, huh? Look, I've got eyes, and I see the starving kids in Venezuela, or even worse over in North Korea where people are supposedly "loving" their leader. Honestly, life on a Ferengi freighter would probably be better than being there. 🙂 Instead of just throwing insults my way, maybe you could actually point out where I messed up and drop some sources to back your claims. I'm especially curious which economics textbook covers this whole "numbing the masses" thing. 🙂 Oh, wait, you don't have any? So, what you're saying is... you'd rather take government money that was essentially taken from everyone else, just so people like you can live comfortably while playing the moral high ground?
#37 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:I'm with you on this...
Christianity basically gutted the West because it prioritizes faith over actual reason, which was pretty much set in stone after the Council of Nicaea.
They started portraying priests as "shepherds" back around the 3rd century, and it hasn't stopped since (and if they're the shepherds, what does that make the rest of us?)
In a place like rural America, where those old traditions still run deep, you really see the damage it does...
So, what's your actual point here? Are you suggesting we should just raise kids to be total savages who step over anyone in their way, with zero morals or respect for anyone?
#38 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:Popijo, huh? Look, I've got eyes, and I see the starving kids in Venezuela, or even worse over in North Korea where people are supposedly "loving" their leader. Honestly, life on a Ferengi freighter would probably be better than being there. 🙂 Instead of just throwing insults my way, maybe you could actually point out where I messed up and drop some sources to back your claims. I'm especially curious which economics textbook covers this whole "numbing the masses" thing. 🙂 Oh, wait, you don't have any? So, what you're saying is... you'd rather take government money that was essentially taken from everyone else, just so people like you can live comfortably while playing the moral high ground?
Thank God for the capitalist West, right? No starving people here—except maybe those folks in Detroit living out of cardboard boxes. And since you claim to have such sharp vision, go ahead and peek out your window; I’m certain there are at least ten scavengers hanging around the local dumpster right now.
Mass pacification isn't an economic theory. It's simpler than that: when you spend all your time peddling capitalist ideology, you end up being a bit dim, and then the media machine steps in to finish the job.
Personally? I'd rather take money from my own hard work than have someone else snatch the fruits of my labor to fund their lifestyle.
But hey, you clearly trust the crowd in the crisp button-downs, iPhones in hand, wearing designer loafers while lecturing everyone about "excellence"... and honestly, that kind of brainwashing is its own form of pacification.
In your case, it's working perfectly.
#39 ·
When you look at North Korea, unemployment sits at 5% and the crime rate is just 2%.
They don't even need five different types of packaging for their goods.
But my uncle is out there doing his best to push those wild stories about how people in Korea are eating each other or using human beings instead of traffic lights to direct cars. I mean, honestly, what do they expect? Since the country has a nuke, people can't exactly figure out how to export "excellence" or democracy when they're dealing with empty bank accounts and nothing but dreams of a better life.
They don't even need five different types of packaging for their goods.
But my uncle is out there doing his best to push those wild stories about how people in Korea are eating each other or using human beings instead of traffic lights to direct cars. I mean, honestly, what do they expect? Since the country has a nuke, people can't exactly figure out how to export "excellence" or democracy when they're dealing with empty bank accounts and nothing but dreams of a better life.
#40 ·
I mean, I guess there isn't much to say about it... maybe? Just feels like things are already laid out.
😁 Man, listen... under capitalism, yeah, some people struggle while others are loaded. But under communism? Nobody has anything. I mean, if you want actual proof, just look at what happened in Venezuela or North Korea. It’s pretty much a given. 🙂
Not even one... Honestly, the economy in America is doing great. You know how I know? Because people only bother getting together for protests or referendums when they're obsessing over who's sleeping with who or some other social stuff.🙂 I guess most people just don't care about the big stuff. Like, they'll overlook massive political corruption, having hundreds of thousands of people out of work, or our school system basically falling apart... even though we're dealing with some of the worst corruption levels in the West. It’s kind of wild. The conclusion? Apparently, none of that actually matters to anyone. 🙂 Why would I bother?
I guess I'm just saying... maybe we should look at this differently? Like, if you really think about how capitalism works in the US, things aren't always as black and white as they seem. I don't know, it's just a thought. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it feels like there's more to the story.
I didn't even mention capitalism, though... I was just talking about communism. I mean, honestly, not a single country under a communist regime actually made it—they all just collapsed. But hey, I guess you don't see the issue there. And then somehow I'm the one with the brainwashed mind while you're over here seeing everything perfectly objectively. 🙂
I guess I don't really know how to put this, but... maybe? It’s just one of those things, I suppose.
Your own money? Under communism, you don't really have "your" money. It all belongs to everyone. And if you somehow manage to earn more through your own hard work, they’ll just take it away from you—you might even end up in court just for being too successful. I mean, who are you to decide what you deserve?
And how do you know that? You don't. You're just talking nonsense.
| I mean, honestly? It’s just... everything. Everything about it. I guess there isn't really a better way to put it. kaže: Thank God we have capitalism out here in the West. I mean, people say things, but at least there isn't widespread starvation... though I guess seeing folks living in cardboard boxes in Detroit kind of complicates that whole idea, doesn't it? Maybe. |
stormyeagle65 said:Thank God for the capitalist West, right? No starving people here—except maybe those folks in Detroit living out of cardboard boxes. And since you claim to have such sharp vision, go ahead and peek out your window; I’m certain there are at least ten scavengers hanging around the local dumpster right now.
Mass pacification isn't an economic theory. It's simpler than that: when you spend all your time peddling capitalist ideology, you end up being a bit dim, and then the media machine steps in to finish the job.
Personally? I'd rather take money from my own hard work than have someone else snatch the fruits of my labor to fund their lifestyle.
But hey, you clearly trust the crowd in the crisp button-downs, iPhones in hand, wearing designer loafers while lecturing everyone about "excellence"... and honestly, that kind of brainwashing is its own form of pacification.
In your case, it's working perfectly.
Not even one... Honestly, the economy in America is doing great. You know how I know? Because people only bother getting together for protests or referendums when they're obsessing over who's sleeping with who or some other social stuff.🙂 I guess most people just don't care about the big stuff. Like, they'll overlook massive political corruption, having hundreds of thousands of people out of work, or our school system basically falling apart... even though we're dealing with some of the worst corruption levels in the West. It’s kind of wild. The conclusion? Apparently, none of that actually matters to anyone. 🙂 Why would I bother?
I guess I'm just saying... maybe we should look at this differently? Like, if you really think about how capitalism works in the US, things aren't always as black and white as they seem. I don't know, it's just a thought. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it feels like there's more to the story.
stormyeagle65 said:Thank God for the capitalist West, right? No starving people here—except maybe those folks in Detroit living out of cardboard boxes. And since you claim to have such sharp vision, go ahead and peek out your window; I’m certain there are at least ten scavengers hanging around the local dumpster right now.
Mass pacification isn't an economic theory. It's simpler than that: when you spend all your time peddling capitalist ideology, you end up being a bit dim, and then the media machine steps in to finish the job.
Personally? I'd rather take money from my own hard work than have someone else snatch the fruits of my labor to fund their lifestyle.
But hey, you clearly trust the crowd in the crisp button-downs, iPhones in hand, wearing designer loafers while lecturing everyone about "excellence"... and honestly, that kind of brainwashing is its own form of pacification.
In your case, it's working perfectly.
I didn't even mention capitalism, though... I was just talking about communism. I mean, honestly, not a single country under a communist regime actually made it—they all just collapsed. But hey, I guess you don't see the issue there. And then somehow I'm the one with the brainwashed mind while you're over here seeing everything perfectly objectively. 🙂
I guess I don't really know how to put this, but... maybe? It’s just one of those things, I suppose.
| I mean... honestly? It’s just all too much. Everything feels totally extra lately. kaže: I mean, honestly? I’d much rather just keep the money I actually earn instead of having someone else step in and take a cut of my hard work. Just feels more right, I guess. |
stormyeagle65 said:Thank God for the capitalist West, right? No starving people here—except maybe those folks in Detroit living out of cardboard boxes. And since you claim to have such sharp vision, go ahead and peek out your window; I’m certain there are at least ten scavengers hanging around the local dumpster right now.
Mass pacification isn't an economic theory. It's simpler than that: when you spend all your time peddling capitalist ideology, you end up being a bit dim, and then the media machine steps in to finish the job.
Personally? I'd rather take money from my own hard work than have someone else snatch the fruits of my labor to fund their lifestyle.
But hey, you clearly trust the crowd in the crisp button-downs, iPhones in hand, wearing designer loafers while lecturing everyone about "excellence"... and honestly, that kind of brainwashing is its own form of pacification.
In your case, it's working perfectly.
And how do you know that? You don't. You're just talking nonsense.
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