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Participants goldengull3Gary Watson4Chris Ruiz10Keith Taylor4fadedfalcon60AMelissa Cruz2Chloe Garcia98Sarah Ramirez50Michael Morgan5dustymarlin10northernpilot2nimbleharbor10
goldengull3 goldengull3 RegularOP
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#1 ·
Do you recall our previous discussion regarding how the Canadians are the only ones capable of manufacturing first aid kits that actually meet our domestic standards?

Well, it seems a local manufacturer has finally stepped up, though they are already claiming they can't keep up with demand:

There’s a massive opportunity for someone to make a quick buck here... 👍
Gary Watson4 Gary Watson4 Member
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#2 ·
If only our entrepreneurs realized that every single company needs this...🙄
Chris Ruiz10 Chris Ruiz10 Active Member
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#3 ·
Look, I know 😉 I already picked up one for my car, but then I realized you can find them way cheaper online than at a Shell station.

Lucky for me they haven't made fire extinguishers mandatory for small businesses yet, otherwise I'd be stuck buying the smallest 😁
Keith Taylor4 Keith Taylor4 Active Member
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#4 ·
What’s the point of buying a whole new box? Just top off the old one...
fadedfalcon60 fadedfalcon60 Newcomer
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#5 ·
I’ve actually been holding onto this first aid kit since back when I sold my old Joe Biden in 1988. To be perfectly honest, I haven't even attempted to open it yet—I suppose I'm just not quite ready to face a challenge like that. 🙂
goldengull3 goldengull3 RegularOP
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#6 ·
fadedfalcon60 said:I’ve been holding onto this first aid kit since I sold my old Ford back in '88. I haven't even considered opening it; I am simply not prepared to face whatever is inside. 🙂

That would be an undertaking for an entire team of microbiologists...

You ought to write a research paper on the subject; I suspect you'd find yourself cited in a major medical journal like the New England Journal of Medicine.
fadedfalcon60 fadedfalcon60 Newcomer
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#7 ·
goldengull3 said:That would be quite the undertaking for an entire team of microbiologists...

I suppose you should really consider writing a formal paper on this topic; I am fairly certain it would land you a spot in a high-impact medical journal like the New England Journal of Medicine!

Thanks, goldengull3. Well, there goes another idea for my blog. :-)
A Anonymous Veteran
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#8 ·
Hey there

A few interesting things I’ve noticed:

1. Someone mentioned they won't buy, say, a Polish first aid kit because they're waiting until we have our own local version.
The truth is, we'll never have one, because most of the supplies aren't even manufactured here in the States.
2. Then someone asked, "Are those new kits actually compliant with European Union regulations?"
They sure aren't! Most items in the kit have dimensions that nobody in the European Union actually manufactures. Why? You tell me. Stop. Just stop. It's Tosa.
3. In the HN1112 model, the box has these hyper-specific dimensions too, which is honestly just ridiculous.
4. It's wild how every single measurement has to be exact. For example, the adhesive tape has to be at least 2cm x 5m—not a millimeter off. But you go to the store and find 2.5cm x 5m everywhere, which technically doesn't meet the standard!!!! The entire European Union produces the 2.5cm x 5m version instead of what Tosa requires.
5. If you use up one of the items in the kit, you're basically screwed!! Local pharmacies don't carry bandages or foil wraps in these specific sizes. They have to special order them. And from where?? ... Tosa.
There are a few more things, but I'll get to those later.
Cheers,
Melissa Cruz2 Melissa Cruz2 Active Member
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#9 ·
goldengull3 said:Remember when we were going in circles about how only Canadians manage to label their first aid kits according to American standards?

Are we actually talking about some niche local regulations here, or just general European Union standards? Because if it’s just the EU playbook, then I’m totally eating my words regarding PP...
goldengull3 goldengull3 RegularOP
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#10 ·
goldengull3 said:Are we looking at some niche local requirements or just standard European Union regulations? If they’re strictly EU mandates, then I’ll take back everything I said about PP.

Over on the Detroit forums, someone mentioned they were in Germany recently and saw an old German kit—they noted it was identical to our new one, right down to the dimensions. The only difference is the addition of gloves, which makes sense from a hygiene standpoint to prevent spreading things like HIV or hepatitis; it's a negligible cost.

It seems our current kit is essentially just an outdated German DIN standard, which stands to reason.

The standard was actually introduced back in 2001 and became mandatory in April 2004. Honestly, there was plenty of time for our domestic manufacturers to gear up for production, especially given how consistent the market demand is...
Chloe Garcia98 Chloe Garcia98 Active Member
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#11 ·
We were actually debating this over on Politics, if you want to take a look here where
this link was shared pointing to the official European Union pages regarding first aid kit requirements for their member states . To cut through the noise, the situation regarding whether you're required to carry a kit and what exactly needs to be inside it varies wildly across the European Union:

Quincy:
"Compulsory availability of first aid kits in private cars"/Maintenance and replacement of first aid kits:

Austria - Not used in private car/No rule
Belgium - Yes/NA
Germany - Yes/No rule
Denmark - No/Specifies 7 mandatory items and their quantities
Spain - Not used in private car/No rule
Greece - Yes/NA
France - Not used in private car/NA
Finland - Not used in private car/Should be checked every 5 years
Italy - Not used in private car/NA
Ireland - Not used in private car/NA
Luxembourg - NA/NA
Netherlands - Not used in private car/No rule
Portugal - Not used in private car/No rule
Sweden - No rule/No rule
USA - Not used in private car/NA
All of this serves to illustrate that there is no overarching mandate within the European Union to carry a first aid kit in personal vehicles; instead, the decision is left entirely to individual member states. Even the specific contents aren't standardized. Yet, here we are in America, proving once again how utterly disconnected our bureaucracy is—passing endless regulations on everything under the sun while failing to enforce a single one of them. It makes me wonder if this whole absurdity with the first aid kits isn't just another part of some "brilliant" scheme to funnel money into the state's piggy bank via traffic safety laws... a plan whose sheer genius is perfectly mirrored by our current 0% competence rate.
goldengull3 goldengull3 RegularOP
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#12 ·
crtica said:All this just goes to show that within the European Union, there isn't even a mandate to carry a first aid kit—we're talking about personal vehicles here—it’s left entirely up to individual member states. Even the specific contents aren't strictly dictated. Yet, America continues to prove its own irrelevance by over-regulating every little thing while failing to actually enforce anything... Perhaps this nonsense regarding kits is just part of some "brilliant" scheme to pad the federal budget through traffic safety laws... a brilliance we see reflected in that zero percent blood alcohol limit.

Yeah, right. Sure. Back in 2001, Ivica Račan and Ivo Sanders sat down and decided—let's pass a law for a new first aid kit, but to keep things from looking suspicious, we won't actually mandate the new required contents until after the next election in April 2004.

First aid kits have been a requirement here for decades; I remember them being mandatory back in the 70s. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be required, given that they can literally save someone's life and prevent them from bleeding out on the highway. All that has changed is the standard for the kit itself (which is now manufactured domestically, and the retail price is under $67). So now, because of $67, someone who could have been saved should just be left lying on the pavement because a car worth more than $33 didn't have a kit worth $67?

Besides, the fine money is earmarked specifically for traffic safety prevention, which any citizen can verify by reading the annual federal budget execution report (a public document). If there isn't extra cash to be had, then simply drive according to the rules and you'll be fine. Personally, I think the fines have finally reached an appropriate level.

Furthermore—do you have an issue with funding the treasury? I mean, do you have an issue with hospitals, schools, roads, museums, AT&T, social services, or pension transfers? The money used for the salaries of officials (and all civil servants, for that matter) is actually a tiny fraction of the federal budget.

But look, this is just how economics works—American entrepreneurs simply missed something that was publicly announced in The New York Times, and the Americans from our neighboring country stepped in to fill the gap by manufacturing kits that meet the specific American standards. People read. People work. People earn money.

Try walking into the sales department of any major American corporation and explaining that you have to scour every daily newspaper, the websites for The Administration and Congress, and the main news outlets of several neighboring countries just to figure out if there’s a new opportunity for the company's business.

Meanwhile, back home, the talk is always about "how there's no work" and "how nothing is profitable."

It’s hardly a coincidence that they are part of the European Union today while we are not. Imagine an American entrepreneur who reads the Federal Register or the news from Canada to see where they can turn a profit. Those people do it. We are merely their market. And honestly, credit to them.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#13 ·
Honestly, I’m done reading this nonsense. You want proof?

Go ahead, try finding some burn dressing—80 cm by 50 cm—at a local pharmacy.
And don't even bother looking outside our borders; try finding it anywhere else in the European Union. Good luck with that.
Oh, right. And you can't even get it from Toss 🙂)
So why don't you actually answer the question? Which specific regulation are we even talking about here?
Cheers.
goldengull3 goldengull3 RegularOP
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#14 ·
bad island said:Then answer the question. What kind of law are we actually talking about here?
Regards.

I'm not sure which law you're referring to. The relevant standard was established by the federal agency back in 2001 and has been publicly available ever since (you can look it up $20). Not a single person raised an objection at the time.

The Department made this standard mandatory via regulation in 2004, allowing for a one-month grace period before enforcement. That should have been more than enough time for anyone serious about manufacturing to get their act together—especially given the massive, steady demand from over 1.2 million registered vehicles, plus another 70,000 hitting the road every year.

If there were actual evidence that an alternative standard would offer better quality or significantly lower costs, the rule could be updated.

However, we now have domestic units on the market—which happen to be roughly $33 cheaper than what Toss produces.

It is entirely possible someone used a European standard as a template (since they often align with ISO), but my point remains: in THREE YEARS, not one interested party spoke up. The fundamental question isn't about bureaucracy; it's why American manufacturers aren't even reading the domestic standards in a sector where the market is this large and predictable. We discuss industry specifics here on this forum; anything else belongs in the political arena.
Sarah Ramirez50 Sarah Ramirez50 Newcomer
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#15 ·
So, I was wondering, are we supposed to be using the specific local kit requirements here in America or just following the general European Union standards now? Does anyone actually know which one is the go-to lately?

America - The HRN 1112 first aid kit is supposed to have all this stuff:

One large bandage, 12cm x 5m with a 12cm x 16cm pad
One medium bandage, 8cm x 3m with a 9cm x 11cm pad
Two gauze rolls, 8cm x 5m
Two gauze rolls, 4cm x 5m
Two sheets of burn dressing (aluminum foil type), 80cm x 50cm
Ten sterile gauze pads, 5cm x 5cm, 16 layers
Two sterile gauze pads, 10cm x 20cm, 12 layers
Five adhesive strips, 10cm x 8cm
One roll of adhesive tape, 2.5cm x 5m
Two triangular bandages, 100cm x 100cm x 140cm
Ten safety pins
One pair of blunt-tip scissors
Two pairs of disposable gloves (PVC)
One polyvinyl sleeve/bag, 30cm x 60cm
One metallic polyester emergency blanket, 150cm x 200cm
Two CPR face shields
One list of kit contents
One set of first aid instructions

European Union - The first aid kit based on the DIN 13164:1998-01 standard needs to include:

One roll of adhesive tape
Three bandages
One 80 cm sterile gauze wrap
Two 40 cm burn dressings
One 80 cm aluminum burn dressing
Two 6 cm gauze rolls
Three 8 cm gauze rolls
One thermal emergency blanket
One pair of blunt-tip scissors
Three sterile pads, 10x10 cm
Eight adhesive bandages, 10x6 cm
One roll of medical tape
Two triangular bandages
Four pairs of disposable gloves
One set of first aid instructions
One plastic bag or container
Michael Morgan5 Michael Morgan5 Active Member
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#16 ·
In fifteen years of getting my car inspected, I can’t say anyone has ever even glanced at the first aid kit.
Actually, now that I really think about it, I don't think a single mechanic has ever even bothered to ask if I had one on board.
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
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#17 ·
Hell no.

As long as we were forced to buy it in the first place...
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
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#18 ·
One time they just hit me up and asked if the box was still factory-sealed or if someone had already messed with it. Since you aren't supposed to be opening them at all, they wanted to take a look if it wasn't pristine. 😁
Sarah Ramirez50 Sarah Ramirez50 Newcomer
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#19 ·
northernpilot2 said:One time they just hit me up and asked if the box was still factory-sealed or if someone had already messed with it. Since you aren't supposed to be opening them at all, they wanted to take a look if it wasn't pristine. 😁

So what, if I pop the seal on this thing once, am I basically stuck buying a whole new one?
nimbleharbor10 nimbleharbor10 Active Member
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#20 ·
Look, I get the argument for needing barriers, but in a real-world scenario, I seriously doubt how much those curves actually help anyone. If a collision occurs, bystanders call 911, and the paramedics arrive with their own specialized equipment, stretchers, and everything else they need. The notion that you should jump out of your car to pull someone from a wreck and start administering first aid is incredibly reckless. You have no way of knowing if they’ve sustained spinal injuries or internal fractures, and in an attempt to be a hero, you could easily aggravate their condition and make things much worse—not to mention leaving yourself wide open to a massive lawsuit.

The statistical likelihood of someone surviving a crash only to succumb to massive internal bleeding is minimal. If sharp debris is penetrating the cabin, the passengers are likely already dead or catastrophically injured. And even if there is active bleeding from an object impaling the driver, the doors usually won't budge, meaning you aren't getting to them without a heavy-duty rescue saw anyway.

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