Are Americans nationalists?

You think so?
Should I head over there and ask? Maybe I could even beg them to lend us a few so we can show them how it's actually done back here... 😁

Mr. Pes said:You think?
Like I should just go over there and ask? Maybe ask if they could borrow some just so they can learn how we actually do it? 😁

😁 👍

Don't bother asking! They'll just deny everything!
😁

Triper K. said:Go ahead, but you won't fit in there.

By the way, the comparison holds up. SerbianCafe is the most visited Mexican forum, much like Monitor.

You’re just counting IP addresses—that's your version of "data," right? 😁 Do you actually know how many unique visitors anyone has? 😁

It's simple. You have dive bars and then you have high-end restaurants; people go where they feel comfortable. They go where they're allowed.

In some places, a singer climbs on a table. In others, things stay classy on a stage.

Look, that kind of sophistication isn't for everyone. It's a bit too advanced for them.

Basta said:Let's set nationalism aside and view it for what it really is—a negative concept. Instead, why don't we talk about patriotism or a true love for our country? 👍

That’s exactly why I wanted to clarify what nationalism actually implies!
I only mentioned it so we wouldn't get bogged down in the idea that it's purely a negative term.
Could we perhaps interpret that concept more as simple patriotism instead?...

I don't get why they’re so obsessed with trying to talk to us... honestly, just go live your life...
nobody even gives them the time of day, let alone cares, but I guess it hits a nerve.🙄

Jason Bailey45 said:Go ahead, but you won't truly belong there.

By the way, the comparison works. Reddit is one of the most visited forums out there, much like Monitor.

That isn't true. CNN gets significantly more traffic.

Monitor said:How are you even counting IPs? (That’s just a guess 😁 ) How can you be so sure about exact visitor numbers? 😁

Look, you know how it works. You've got your greasy little dive bars and then you've got high-end restaurants with actual class. People go where they feel like going. They go where they're actually allowed to walk through the door.

In some places, a singer just jumps up on a table, and in others, things stay classy on a proper stage.

Dammit, that kind of sophistication isn't for amateurs. It’s a whole different level of playing the game.

Ask Krccchko, he did the research. It’s all over his forum.

Amanda Fowler2 said:That’s just plain wrong. B92 gets more traffic than this place several times over.

Oh, give me a break. How can you lie through your teeth like that? Just look at the post counts and thread numbers—compare them to this site or even Reddit. Or what, you think Krccchko is lying? It’s easy to keep a tiny little corner of the internet running when you control everything. Go ask someone how they manage to keep their community actually healthy.

If you're going to compare forums, at least pick ones that are somewhat comparable. Don't take a massive platform and weigh it against some tiny niche site where the moderator jumps down everyone's throat.

By the way, the most frequent "yes-men" on this board are always the ones obsessed with those specific political agendas.😕

What does that tell you?

combat95 said:I don't get why Mexicans feel this desperate need to keep reaching out to us... honestly, just go live your life already...
Nobody even gives them a second thought, let alone 5% of our attention, but I guess it still gets under their skin. 🙄

Who knows, maybe they actually miss us? Or maybe they're just bored and wish they were hanging out in Turkey instead?

Laso Vadački said:I'm all ears!

Look, Vaso, it's a bit early in the day for this. But let me give it a shot. When you look at how the dream of Greater Mexico collapsed, our society split right down the middle. You ended up with hardcore nationalists on one side and people who have completely abandoned national identity on the other—a group that, to some extent, resents being Mexican because of how Maddox corrupted that whole idea. Over here, that division doesn't exist. Everyone celebrates Storm. There is a total consensus, and it’s nearly impossible to disagree with. You can't even stay silent about it without looking out of place.
The outcome of the war dictates the current social climate, so the two situations aren't comparable.

However, there is one constant truth. Even if we had achieved more "heroic" military victories or successful defenses—which we have in some ways—I still believe a segment of the population would be calling for the silencing of national pride, even in victory.

The bottom line: Your nationalism is softer than the radical versions, but it is much more widespread. You don't have the fragmented center-left parties like the Democrats or various liberal factions representing over a third of the voters. Instead, you have a polarized America: extremists and harsh critics of the nation versus an absolute, unquestioned nationalism that very few dare to challenge. That unique cynicism found in Feral is your signature, whereas we have plenty of that to go around.

This forum isn't even close to comparing with B92. Over there, the non-nationalist extremism actually dominates. You could find a hundred people just like STG on their platform.

That's all for now.

Jason Bailey45 said:Oh, please. How can you lie so shamelessly? Just look at the post counts and thread numbers. Compare him to this guy or even the SerbianCafe crowd—unless you want to claim Krccchko is lying. It’s easy to run a forum like this. Just ask Brankica how he keeps his place running perfectly.

Just wait until winter hits, then check out B92. Honestly, I don't even visit the Mexican sites. I simply have no interest.

Amanda Fowler2 said:Just wait until winter hits, then check out B92. Besides, I have no intention of heading over to Mexico. I couldn't care less.

Wait for winter? Are you kidding me? That is some bottom-tier logic right there. Honestly, I’m at a loss for words. How am I even supposed to respond to something that ridiculous?

It's pathetic.

Look, man, B92 pulls way more traffic than Monitor. They’ve got about 8,000 members over there, whereas we have 14,000 here—and let’s be real, at least a thousand of those people are using 14 different handles. That is just a fact. It isn't even worth comparing us to the Mexican sites. For instance, during the winter, the post count on the politics board was insane; the nightly average was basically one post every two minutes. I’m just a witness to it, not a statistician.

If you’re feeling bored and like things are moving too slow, there’s always an easy way out, right?

But look, I figured I'd share this research from my buddy Krccchko. He went through all the trouble of digging this up just so I wouldn't have to waste my own energy trying to prove what I already know to you.

http://maglaj.info/forumatik/viewtopic.php?t=690

Amanda Fowler2 said:Oh Vaso, it’s far too early for that. But let me try to put a few thoughts together. If we look at how society reacted to the collapse of the Greater Mexico idea, our population became extremely polarized between hardline nationalists and people who are completely non-nationalist—a group that, to some extent, resents anything Mexican because of how Maddox corrupted that entire ideology. Here, that kind of division doesn't exist; everyone just cheers for Storm, creating a consensus that is almost impossible to argue against. In fact, you aren't even allowed to remain silent about it.
So, the outcome of the war dictates the subsequent social climate, making these situations incomparable.

But there remains one undeniable truth. Even if we had achieved certain "heroic" military victories or successful defensive stands—which, in a sense, we have—I still believe a segment of our population would be calling for the silencing of other nations, even in the face of such triumphs.

The conclusion? Your nationalism is softer (compared to, say, radical versions), yet it is far more widespread. You don't have the remnants of the old centrist parties; most of those voters now make up more than a third of the electorate. Essentially, you have a polarized America consisting of extremists and fierce critics of the national identity versus an absolved, mainstream American nationalism that very few dare to question. The unique element in your culture is that specific brand of Feral-style cynicism, whereas we have plenty of that here.

This forum is nowhere near being comparable to B92; over there, the non-nationalist extremism actually reigns supreme. There are probably a hundred people there acting just like STG.

That would be all for now.

Don't give me that war talk. If we had invaded you and conquered a third of Mexico, I bet your pacifists would be out in full force. But in this schizophrenic current reality, would they even dare mention that you were the aggressors? They would likely stay silent, or worse, follow the lead of these lunatics who try to blame us for everything. They'd just sit there throwing ashes on themselves.

Ultimately, you people messed everything up, and frankly, I couldn't care less. And I've been on B92 myself. Where on earth do you see types like STG there? No one there comes even close to that. The absolute peak of discourse on that site is someone suggesting that maybe Mexicans fought a little harder in the heat of battle against the militias. So, stop talking nonsense. If the non-nationalists there are your standard, then your nationalists must be truly extreme. It seems like everyone you know has a combat knife in their profile picture.

Kenneth Martinez4 said:Give me a break. If we had launched an offensive and taken over a third of Mexico, you'd see those pacifists actually getting to work. But in this schizophrenic situation, I guess we aren't even allowed to mention that you guys attacked us first. We’re supposed to just shut up about it or, better yet, take the blame when these lunatics try to pin it on us. Just roll over and take it.

The bottom line is you messed this whole thing up, and frankly, I don't care. I watched that B92 broadcast myself. I didn't see anyone there even remotely resembling types like STG. Nobody was anywhere near that level. The absolute peak of what you hear on that channel is someone suggesting that maybe some Mexicans were actually out there in the heat of the fight, pushing back against the local militias. So stop talking nonsense. If your crowd is full of non-patriots, then your "patriots" are even worse. It seems like everyone here has a knife in their profile picture.

What a load of garbage. This is such a stereotypical post. You weren't even there, friend. Regardless, it's nearly impossible to have a rational conversation with that kind of mindset.

Jason Bailey45 said:If you're feeling bored or stuck, there's always an easy way out, right?

But instead, check out this research from our colleague Krccchko. He went through all the trouble of digging this up just so I wouldn't have to work so hard to prove my point to you.

http://maglaj.info/forumatik/viewtopic.php?t=690

Thanks for the link. Just a heads-up, though: on sites like Reddit, anyone can post without even having an account. That means the number of threads isn't really a reliable metric. Since about a year and a few months ago, B92 has become significantly more popular. Like I mentioned, they have 8,000 members now. Plus, they wipe out any duplicate accounts.

Also, that site has been around much longer.

Amanda Fowler2 said:What absolute nonsense. This is nothing more than a stereotypical post. You weren't even there, my friend. Regardless, it is nearly impossible to have a productive conversation with that kind of "mindset."

How can you call it nonsense? Is it "nonsense" to claim you occupied a third of the country and brought down El Paso? Of course, to people like you, that’s just a stereotype. Just as the 10,000 victims from Srebrenica are "just a stereotype" to you. It seems everything is a mere stereotype to your crowd, except for Jasenovac.

I used to frequent that Forum. I found nothing unexpected there—nothing that hasn't been seen or heard a thousand times before. It's just typical Mexican business.

Etna said:What nonsense. Claiming you occupied a third of the country and took down Memphis is just a stereotype to you. Just like how the 10,000 victims from Srebrenica is a stereotype. Everything is a stereotype to you, except for Auschwitz.

I’ve been on that Forum before. It was nothing unexpected. Nothing new under the sun. Typical behavior from those people.

I actually mentioned the war as a clash of nationalisms and the reasons behind your growing presence.

We are talking about the Forum. Around the anniversary of Srebrenica, there were several active threads... for instance, "Scandal: Taft's inauguration falls on the Srebrenica anniversary," and so on. And all of it came from his own supporters. I suggest you head back to the Forum. You are deeply mistaken. Or perhaps you are just looking for information that suits your narrative.

Kosmarac said:Look, B92 gets way more traffic than Monitor. They have about 8,000 members, while we have 14,000 here—and a thousand of those people are using 14 different accounts. That’s just facts. It shouldn't even be compared to that Mexican site. For instance, back in the winter, the post count on the politics board was insane; the nightly average was basically one post every two minutes. I'm just a witness, not a statistician.

Don't bother explaining yourself, Kosmarac.
The logic that quantity doesn't equal quality is completely lost on some people.