#121 ·
What possibilities does a constant 24-hour state create, and where does this notion of "injecting" consciousness to specific levels even come from?
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#122 ·
casualmaker13;11971890 said:Donna Thompson2 said:Can you give me some specific examples of individuals who have actually achieved these 6th and 7th states of consciousness?
On Earth, we certainly are—though there may be outliers, I suppose😁—but when you look at the vastness of the universe, we definitely aren't the pinnacle.
I really appreciate you breaking this down for me. I’ve definitely heard of some of the names you mentioned. In fact, someone once told me that Babaj has been alive for 400 years and hasn't passed away yet—do you think there's any truth to that? It seems to me that Eastern traditions are lightyears ahead of Westerners when it comes to grasping spiritual depths. On a more personal note, do you practice meditation yourself? And if you do, how much time do you think the average person would need to invest before they could reach one of these higher states, specifically that fourth state?
#123 ·
jademarlin26 said:What possibilities does a constant 24-hour state create, and where does this notion of "injecting" consciousness to specific levels even come from?
Basically, consciousness works in layers based on how aware we are and what we’re capable of handling at any given moment. Most people aren't even conscious of themselves, their own breathing, their thoughts, their emotions, or even the environment around them and how they interact with it. They spend most of their lives just drifting through, maybe only truly aware of about 5-10% of what's actually happening.
Through meditation, or pretty much any spiritual practice designed to expand awareness, we start becoming more tuned in to ourselves and everything going on both inside and outside our heads.
As that awareness climbs from 10% toward 100%, new doors start opening. For instance, you might finally face a fear head-on and realize it doesn't have power over you anymore, or you catch yourself making the same old mistakes and just... stop doing them. It’s like that.
Your potential grows, too. You might find you can do things you couldn't before, your memory sharpens, your focus gets better, you handle stress way more easily, and your perception of the world just gets clearer.
Then there are those sudden insights you get during certain meditative states. Things just click—you start understanding who you really are, how the world actually works, and your intuition starts kicking in.
The more progress you make, the more aware you become, uncovering these deep insights and possibilities that were always there, just buried under the surface where you couldn't see or use them.
Once you hit that fifth level of consciousness, it means you're fully aware of yourself, your surroundings, and the interplay between the two, 24 hours a day. At that point, it’s pretty hard to mess up or make a bad call. It brings this massive sense of self-control, knowledge, skill, freedom, and genuine choice.
And honestly, reaching that state just opens up even more room for further growth.
#124 ·
Larry Williams;11972191 said:casualmaker13 said:Thanks for breaking that all down. I’ve actually heard about some of the people you mentioned. Someone once told me that Babaj has been alive for 400 years and still hasn't passed away. Do you think there's any truth to that? I mean, it seems like Eastern traditions are way ahead of us Americans when it comes to grasping spirituality. Do you personally meditate? And if you do, how much time does the average person need to actually reach one of those states of consciousness—you know, that fourth state?
I do meditate. Honestly, I think anyone who starts meditating can pretty quickly experience that fourth state of consciousness, or transcendence. If you make it a daily habit, you start feeling your awareness expand.
Transcendence happens during meditation; it widens our consciousness, brings this deep sense of peace, and really helps us move toward higher levels of awareness.
Everyone starts from a different place, though, so I guess there isn't some magic number of hours or days it takes to hit a specific state.
You just have to get started and stay consistent.
#125 ·
casualmaker13;11975735 said:Larry Williams said:I practice meditation, and honestly, anyone who actually puts in the work can experience that fourth state of consciousness—transcendence—pretty quickly. If you make it a daily habit, you’ll start feeling your awareness expand and grow.
Transcendence happens right there in the meditation; it widens our perception, brings this incredible sense of peace, and acts as a stepping stone toward those higher states of being.
Of course, everyone starts from a different baseline, so there’s no magic stopwatch or universal timeline for when you hit a specific level of consciousness.
The secret sauce? Just start, and for heaven's sake, be consistent.
...just make sure you don't let the whole thing turn into mindless autopilot.🙂
#126 ·
casualmaker13 said:Basically, consciousness works in layers based on how aware we are and what we’re capable of handling at any given moment. Most people aren't even conscious of themselves, their own breathing, their thoughts, their emotions, or even the environment around them and how they interact with it. They spend most of their lives just drifting through, maybe only truly aware of about 5-10% of what's actually happening.
Through meditation, or pretty much any spiritual practice designed to expand awareness, we start becoming more tuned in to ourselves and everything going on both inside and outside our heads.
As that awareness climbs from 10% toward 100%, new doors start opening. For instance, you might finally face a fear head-on and realize it doesn't have power over you anymore, or you catch yourself making the same old mistakes and just... stop doing them. It’s like that.
Your potential grows, too. You might find you can do things you couldn't before, your memory sharpens, your focus gets better, you handle stress way more easily, and your perception of the world just gets clearer.
Then there are those sudden insights you get during certain meditative states. Things just click—you start understanding who you really are, how the world actually works, and your intuition starts kicking in.
The more progress you make, the more aware you become, uncovering these deep insights and possibilities that were always there, just buried under the surface where you couldn't see or use them.
Once you hit that fifth level of consciousness, it means you're fully aware of yourself, your surroundings, and the interplay between the two, 24 hours a day. At that point, it’s pretty hard to mess up or make a bad call. It brings this massive sense of self-control, knowledge, skill, freedom, and genuine choice.
And honestly, reaching that state just opens up even more room for further growth.
Who established the boundaries for these levels of consciousness or the criteria required to transition from "lower" to "higher" states? Unless you are simply accepting this on faith, how specifically do you perceive these differentiations in consciousness?
#127 ·
jademarlin26 said:Who established the boundaries for these levels of consciousness or the criteria required to transition from "lower" to "higher" states? Unless you are simply accepting this on faith, how specifically do you perceive these differentiations in consciousness?
Look, the boundaries are really just defined by where your own awareness sits and what you're capable of experiencing. These stages were mapped out by people who actually walked the path themselves.
Anyone pursuing this kind of inner growth ends up testing these states firsthand, so having a roadmap can act like a sort of progress report—assuming, of course, that you actually buy into the idea of a structured hierarchy of consciousness.
Since we're talking about incredibly subtle experiences, most descriptions come from gurus or enlightened teachers who have been there or have direct insight into the cosmic record.
Basically, everyone has experienced the first three states of consciousness.
The fourth state is something anyone who starts meditating and doing the inner work will run into.
But when it comes to being in the fifth stage... well, people definitely know who's actually there, and there are ways to verify it.
#128 ·
casualmaker13 said:Look, the boundaries are really just defined by where your own awareness sits and what you're capable of experiencing. These stages were mapped out by people who actually walked the path themselves.
Anyone pursuing this kind of inner growth ends up testing these states firsthand, so having a roadmap can act like a sort of progress report—assuming, of course, that you actually buy into the idea of a structured hierarchy of consciousness.
Since we're talking about incredibly subtle experiences, most descriptions come from gurus or enlightened teachers who have been there or have direct insight into the cosmic record.
Basically, everyone has experienced the first three states of consciousness.
The fourth state is something anyone who starts meditating and doing the inner work will run into.
But when it comes to being in the fifth stage... well, people definitely know who's actually there, and there are ways to verify it.
...there aren't any foolproof recipes here. Experience is purely subjective and can't be transmitted with total precision; it's shared through analogies. The moment you try to grasp someone else's perception, you risk limiting your own, because expectations act as a filter.🙂
#129 ·
shadowcobra13 said:...there aren't any foolproof recipes here. Experience is purely subjective and can't be transmitted with total precision; it's shared through analogies. The moment you try to grasp someone else's perception, you risk limiting your own, because expectations act as a filter.🙂
I don't know, I think there actually are recipes, written down by people who have been right there in those states themselves.
Beyond that, every book is basically a recipe. Everything anyone teaches you is a recipe, since they learned it from someone else, too...
That’s why you need practice and experience to let things finally crystallize.
I mean, you aren't limiting yourself as long as you stay open.
Other people's experiences are really just guideposts; you can use them if you want, or you can just pass them by.
If you start with zero knowledge, you won't even realize where you're headed or what's happening.
Ignorance is like driving through heavy fog in the middle of nowhere—you can't see a thing.
And these states of consciousness? They're defined by someone's vision and experience, which has then been verified by a few others who reached that same level.
You can choose to believe that, or you don't have to. It's up to you.
Look, you can tell what someone is capable of if they're in the 6th state of consciousness—things like being able to think anything into existence, being in two places at once, creating something out of nothing, walking through walls, being invisible, flying, and so on...
If someone can't do those things, then maybe they just aren't in that state of consciousness.
#130 ·
casualmaker13 said:I don't know, I think there actually are recipes, written down by people who have been right there in those states themselves.
Beyond that, every book is basically a recipe. Everything anyone teaches you is a recipe, since they learned it from someone else, too...
That’s why you need practice and experience to let things finally crystallize.
I mean, you aren't limiting yourself as long as you stay open.
Other people's experiences are really just guideposts; you can use them if you want, or you can just pass them by.
If you start with zero knowledge, you won't even realize where you're headed or what's happening.
Ignorance is like driving through heavy fog in the middle of nowhere—you can't see a thing.
And these states of consciousness? They're defined by someone's vision and experience, which has then been verified by a few others who reached that same level.
You can choose to believe that, or you don't have to. It's up to you.
Look, you can tell what someone is capable of if they're in the 6th state of consciousness—things like being able to think anything into existence, being in two places at once, creating something out of nothing, walking through walls, being invisible, flying, and so on...
If someone can't do those things, then maybe they just aren't in that state of consciousness.
Look, sure, learning from others is useful to a point. But eventually, it just becomes a burden. You end up feeling like you're just a tiny cog in some collective identity. Everyone’s path should be untrodden because we are all unique individuals. Categorizing states of consciousness? Honestly, that's unnecessary if you're actually doing the work on your own consciousness. That's just ego stuff—trying to feel "accomplished" when you experience or imagine a shift, or just giving the mind something to play with.😉
#131 ·
Working on consciousness is merely an egoic endeavor, as it is only the ego that perceives itself as separate from consciousness and believes it can somehow manipulate it from that perspective.
#132 ·
jademarlin26 said:Working on consciousness is merely an egoic endeavor, as it is only the ego that perceives itself as separate from consciousness and believes it can somehow manipulate it from that perspective.
🙂 the ego is inherently detached from consciousness
#133 ·
Karen Sanchez19 said:Look, please don't bring a whole circus of nonsense into this thread, though I suspect you might anyway.😠One of the "achievements" of Maharishi's leadership is ensuring every Westerner finds themselves a personal guru. The price? Handing over 10% of your monthly income as a fee for "initiation"—which really just means being assigned a specific mantra and receiving a lesson on how to meditate properly.
Scientifically speaking, the benefits of TM can be explained by entering an alpha state of consciousness—essentially "resting while awake." One prerequisite, as someone already mentioned here, is reducing thought activity; ideally to the point where you aren't thinking about anything at all.
Even Fromm pointed out that this is the ultimate antidote to stress.
Yet, if you read the TM literature, you’ll find nothing but self-congratulatory fluff. They won't give you the actual mantras or the concrete methods without a guru standing there to collect his cut...
I'm not an idiot; I'm not dropping a few thousand dollars just to be handed a mantra. Is it actually possible to pick one myself and get the same results? I fail to see why a mantra from some guru would carry more weight than one I select personally.
Fleminje, what you wrote regarding astral projection isn't quite right.
It's inaccurate. You don't need a near-death experience to have a profound, real encounter. An NDE is essentially the same thing as etheric projection (projecting into the physical world). During etheric projection, there is no way to tell you aren't in reality, except perhaps for the ability to fly or pass through walls. Some people even report getting out of bed and going through their daily routine, completely unaware they were in a projected state. It’s the same for those who die prematurely before they realize what's happening.
Astral projection, however, can be identified by an environment that feels "off" compared to reality. Matter becomes fluid, shaped by thought. The simplest litmus test? Look at your hands and watch them start melting. The sense of consciousness and reality is just as intense as in an NDE or etheric projection; sometimes, for experienced projectors, it's even stronger.
Certain techniques rely on visualization—creating a duplicate environment into which you shift your awareness. Initially, there's zero sense of reality, but with practice, that sense of realism becomes as solid as classic AP (where you lose awareness of the body), similar to the moment you realize you're dreaming.
As for my own experiences, I vividly remember an instance of AP when I became lucid within a dream. I wanted the dream to stop, and suddenly, I found myself in a nearly physical environment—my own room, though it was astral. The level of consciousness was phenomenal. I was fully present, and the impact of that AP left me reeling for three days straight. I felt as though I were radiating heat. I'll provide more details later, provided you all share your experiences first. I've broken the ice; now it's your turn.
Most people are incredibly suggestible... you give them an inch, tell them something is X, and they completely lose it and fully...
"...buy into it." Give them tap water and tell them it's holy water blessed by the Pope, and
they'll feel significantly better after drinking it... faith is a remarkably powerful "tool" that yields
tangible results... and no, you don't need gurus at all, nor do you need organized religion... there is nothing besides
yourself—the driver of that faith and the conviction in the outcome... gurus, religions, and everything else
imposed as the "engine" of belief isn't inherently evil, but the problem is that they
prescribe results that conveniently fit their own "narrative"...
But listen, faith only produces results within the material universe... through faith, you won't
"reach" the TRUTH or achieve anything beyond this universe and ME... you might be able to move
mountains or walk on water, but what is the actual point in any of that?
#134 ·
Nicole Kelly3 said:Man, reading this actually bummed me out. I'm really sorry you see things that way. I hope it's just a phase and you're just going through a rough patch right now...
Life isn't some punishment, and our planet isn't a jail cell. The human spirit is incredible, capable of creating pure beauty... Everyone is just in a different stage of life's "school," which looks like chaos sometimes, but there's wonder in all of it if you actually stop to look. You can actually hear the "music of the universe"... it's such a beautiful melody, you can just lose yourself in it...
Being born is a privilege and an honor. Every single person deserves respect just for being part of the living world. Living is a choice made by the soul. Just look at art, architecture... languages, math... it all speaks to that beauty. Humans are the most perfect form of life; we carry something divine within us. It's only voluntary slavery and being afraid of ourselves that created the outlook you have, but even that is just part of the game...
Well, you aren't even aware that you're in a prison... which is a grim state to be in, believe me when I say I've been
exactly where you are, staring at the world through that exact same narrow perspective, but now, after my
"awakening," there is no returning to that particular "illusion"... my consciousness has
"grasped" true values, whereas the things you are preoccupied with simply vanish the moment death
comes knocking at your door... true values are eternal... saying "to live is a choice of
the soul" implies that the soul has the option not to live... but the reality is that the soul lives
regardless of everything... the soul has no need for this physical vessel, not in the slightest, for this
body is nothing more than a cage for the soul... and as for humans being the most perfect form of life, you must be joking...
claiming "we carry god within us" is an ego-driven stance that misses the fundamental truth that
god is everywhere... you exist within god... there is nothing that does not reside within the divine...
that is the actual relationship—we are a part of god, our entire being is a fragment of the whole...
and regarding this "voluntary servitude" and these various fears, you still have much to learn...
you have to understand who the slave is and why, who the master is and why, and where the majority of these fears actually originate...
#135 ·
casualmaker13 said:Thanks for breaking it all down. I’ve heard mentions of some of the figures you listed. Someone actually told me that Baby has been around for 400 years and still hasn't kicked the bucket. Do you think there's any truth to that? It seems to me that Eastern traditions have always held a significant lead over Westerners when it comes to grasping true spirituality. Do you personally practice meditation, and if so, how much time does an average person really need to reach one of those altered states of consciousness—you know, that fourth state...
If that Baby guy is still hanging around after 400 years, he’s clearly missed the memo that staying here isn't the goal
the concept of "price"...
time required for enlightenment? Well, do the math yourself...
everything is absolute, which is 1, which is now, which is timeless
just stay mindful of this TRUTH in every single now of your life, and let me know how long
it takes for time and space to lose all meaning...
#136 ·
casualmaker13 said:Basically, consciousness works in layers based on how aware we are and what we’re capable of handling at any given moment. Most people aren't even conscious of themselves, their own breathing, their thoughts, their emotions, or even the environment around them and how they interact with it. They spend most of their lives just drifting through, maybe only truly aware of about 5-10% of what's actually happening.
Through meditation, or pretty much any spiritual practice designed to expand awareness, we start becoming more tuned in to ourselves and everything going on both inside and outside our heads.
As that awareness climbs from 10% toward 100%, new doors start opening. For instance, you might finally face a fear head-on and realize it doesn't have power over you anymore, or you catch yourself making the same old mistakes and just... stop doing them. It’s like that.
Your potential grows, too. You might find you can do things you couldn't before, your memory sharpens, your focus gets better, you handle stress way more easily, and your perception of the world just gets clearer.
Then there are those sudden insights you get during certain meditative states. Things just click—you start understanding who you really are, how the world actually works, and your intuition starts kicking in.
The more progress you make, the more aware you become, uncovering these deep insights and possibilities that were always there, just buried under the surface where you couldn't see or use them.
Once you hit that fifth level of consciousness, it means you're fully aware of yourself, your surroundings, and the interplay between the two, 24 hours a day. At that point, it’s pretty hard to mess up or make a bad call. It brings this massive sense of self-control, knowledge, skill, freedom, and genuine choice.
And honestly, reaching that state just opens up even more room for further growth.
And then you die and it all just vanishes... what a massive waste of time... all of it...
What you’ve laid out doesn't mean you get to "take" anything with you, because everything you mentioned is tied to being here...
Everything you wrote applies strictly to this phase of existence... it sounds so idyllic when you put it that way...
If you actually "reach" that level and don't feel like leaving this planet for another four hundred years... becoming the "master" of the material universe, good grief, imagine the power...
Your "Ego" is merely a product of the consciousness possessed by a soul that is currently trapped right where you are, in the
material universe... everything you described pertains exclusively to the Ego, which
will vanish upon death, once your soul breaks free from this prison and
returns to where there is no "Ego," only a Soul... if you think I'm just talking nonsense...
you'll never leave this place, and in the next incarnation,
you'll
start over from scratch, with nothing from this phase, a brand new Ego... so, think about that...
#137 ·
Anthony Rivera17 said:Well, you aren't even aware that you're in a prison... which is a grim state to be in, believe me when I say I've been
exactly where you are, staring at the world through that exact same narrow perspective, but now, after my
"awakening," there is no returning to that particular "illusion"... my consciousness has
"grasped" true values, whereas the things you are preoccupied with simply vanish the moment death
comes knocking at your door... true values are eternal... saying "to live is a choice of
the soul" implies that the soul has the option not to live... but the reality is that the soul lives
regardless of everything... the soul has no need for this physical vessel, not in the slightest, for this
body is nothing more than a cage for the soul... and as for humans being the most perfect form of life, you must be joking...
claiming "we carry god within us" is an ego-driven stance that misses the fundamental truth that
god is everywhere... you exist within god... there is nothing that does not reside within the divine...
that is the actual relationship—we are a part of god, our entire being is a fragment of the whole...
and regarding this "voluntary servitude" and these various fears, you still have much to learn...
you have to understand who the slave is and why, who the master is and why, and where the majority of these fears actually originate...
🤷 Whatever works for you, works for you. I'm not trying to step on your toes regarding your realizations, but honestly, your theory just doesn't hold water. Awareness of the prison is what makes it vanish—just think about that. To me, it looks like you're dragging the soul along with the ego, and whether God is in us or we are in Him, I don't see the difference. There's only one manifested reality😉 but infinite possibilities. If you have the time, read Orwell's 1984; there's a really interesting observation in there about freedom and enslavement. And people die all the time in this life, and it's not necessarily the end, regardless of whether the body dies—I never said that. My post was meant well because I can see you're trying, but since you've already learned everything you need to know and you know where you're headed, go right ahead...
#138 ·
Anthony Rivera17 said:And then you die and it all just vanishes... what a massive waste of time... all of it...
What you’ve laid out doesn't mean you get to "take" anything with you, because everything you mentioned is tied to being here...
Everything you wrote applies strictly to this phase of existence... it sounds so idyllic when you put it that way...
If you actually "reach" that level and don't feel like leaving this planet for another four hundred years... becoming the "master" of the material universe, good grief, imagine the power...
Your "Ego" is merely a product of the consciousness possessed by a soul that is currently trapped right where you are, in the
material universe... everything you described pertains exclusively to the Ego, which
will vanish upon death, once your soul breaks free from this prison and
returns to where there is no "Ego," only a Soul... if you think I'm just talking nonsense...
you'll never leave this place, and in the next incarnation,
you'll
start over from scratch, with nothing from this phase, a brand new Ego... so, think about that...
One has manifested... you're caught up in the web of the Tetragammaton. Take a look at the math for a second. What comes before one?...
Consciousness could be transferred if someone actually had a reason to do it...
#139 ·
shadowcobra13 said:Look, sure, learning from others is useful to a point. But eventually, it just becomes a burden. You end up feeling like you're just a tiny cog in some collective identity. Everyone’s path should be untrodden because we are all unique individuals. Categorizing states of consciousness? Honestly, that's unnecessary if you're actually doing the work on your own consciousness. That's just ego stuff—trying to feel "accomplished" when you experience or imagine a shift, or just giving the mind something to play with.😉
I mean, states of consciousness are really just signposts along the way—they're there so you don't get lost and actually know where you're headed.
If you're just wandering through a fog, you could spend years drifting aimlessly.
Besides, they serve as a way to confirm you're actually making progress.
You could tell yourself you've reached the "7th stage," but if you can't actually prove it, that's just self-deception or plain old lying to yourself.
It's the same as "working" on your spiritual growth for years only to realize you haven't moved an inch.
It's like spending years looking for the ocean in the middle of Kansas; you're never going to find it there.
Knowledge doesn't enslave you—it sets you free. Ignorance is what leads you straight into an illusion.
#140 ·
Where exactly is the knowledge in what you're claiming? Where does it actually differ from simply taking someone's word for it?
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