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Starting an LLC: Where to begin?

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Jack Young Jack Young Active Member
111 messages
joined Mar 2015
#981 ·
wanderingranger41 said:I’d be an employee, but my payroll taxes are already being handled by another company...

As for the startup capital, you're wrong. There is nothing stating I can't pay myself a salary from those funds starting in month one—though I'd have to cover the taxes. I can use that initial capital however I see fit. My question is whether I have to pay tax on it when I'm paying back a loan, and if so, how much.

In those first few months, the company won't be making huge profits or seeing massive expenses, but I need the legitimacy. When I walk into a meeting with a client, I need to be able to say "I am an official representative of this firm," rather than just some random person showing up...

Sure, you can spend your money however you want—it's your call. But just because you *can* doesn't mean it's the smart move. It’s like having a starter kit for a hobby; if you blow all your supplies on day one, you've got nothing left to actually get the project moving. I always say that your seed money is there for a reason: it’s meant to cover those essential startup costs so you don't end up stuck before you even begin. Costs. It’s funny how that word just hangs in the air, isn't it? Like a heavy fog rolling over a quiet morning in Seattle. You start thinking about one little expense—maybe a latte here or a quick trip to Target—and before you know it, the whole budget is looking a bit thin. It’s like trying to fill a bucket with tiny pinholes in the bottom. You pour in your paycheck, and suddenly, there's just less than there was a minute ago. Everything adds up. Every single little thing. You see all those line items pop up—vendors, payroll, the whole nine yards. But here’s the thing: you can't just dip into that pot to cover loans. It’s like having a dedicated fund for groceries and then trying to use the milk money to pay off a credit card bill. It just doesn't work that way. Those funds are strictly for the bills they're meant for.

wanderingranger41 said:I’d be an employee, but my payroll taxes are already being handled by another company...

As for the startup capital, you're wrong. There is nothing stating I can't pay myself a salary from those funds starting in month one—though I'd have to cover the taxes. I can use that initial capital however I see fit. My question is whether I have to pay tax on it when I'm paying back a loan, and if so, how much.

In those first few months, the company won't be making huge profits or seeing massive expenses, but I need the legitimacy. When I walk into a meeting with a client, I need to be able to say "I am an official representative of this firm," rather than just some random person showing up...

What kind of shady loan are you talking about now?
Carol Price4 Carol Price4 Regular
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joined Nov 2019
#982 ·
I think you’re mixing up initial capital with loans... you can always issue loans to your own company later on—completely separate from your startup capital—and the business can pay those back to you tax-free.
If you go the dividend route instead, you're looking at a 12% hit plus surcharges on top of the 20% tax you already paid on the profit.
wanderingranger41 wanderingranger41 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2013
#983 ·
nedica;43848048 said:Sure, you can spend it however you want, but that doesn't make it right... I'll say it again: your seed capital is meant to cover those initial startup costs like suppliers, payroll, and so on. You shouldn't be using it to pay out personal loans.......

I won't have any major vendors hitting me for at least six months. I'm running this out of my apartment, my phone and internet bills are already covered, I don't have employees for a while, and gas is my own expense—it's negligible. My time is my biggest asset... the only thing I'd actually use it for is paying myself a salary. I know it’s technically "wrong," but why should that money just sit idle in a bank account for months when my monthly startup overhead is only $100 per month? Why can't I just set aside $5,000 for expenses and pull the rest? (Look, I realize once I actually launch, I'll need to reinvest several times more than what's currently in $6667).
I'm sure someone will jump in here to lecture me about why I shouldn't do this, but honestly, save your breath.
coastalwalker10 coastalwalker10 Member
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joined Mar 2013
#984 ·
I have a question I've been chewing on... I was doing some reading online about cooperatives, and from everything I gathered, they seem to operate pretty much like an LLC. It looks like you can run all sorts of different businesses through one, with the added perk that the members themselves don't necessarily have to be signed up for payroll taxes or health insurance under the same strict rules.
So, what I'm really wondering is if someone could actually open a coffee shop as a cooperative instead of setting it up as a sole proprietorship or an LLC, and then just have the staff function as members of that coop.
Charles Howard74 Charles Howard74 Member
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joined Feb 2009
#985 ·
So, quick question for the group: can an LLC owner just hire themselves out as a part-time employee if they're basically running the whole show alone?
Thanks!
silversailor silversailor Newcomer
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joined Jan 2013
#986 ·
Sure thing.
Hopefully, nothing major has shifted in the meantime. 😁
Raymond Martinez10 Raymond Martinez10 Active Member
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joined Oct 2009
#987 ·
Charles Howard74 said:So, quick question for the group: can an LLC owner just hire themselves out as a part-time employee if they're basically running the whole show alone?
Thanks!

They have to pay full-time payroll taxes unless they're covered under some other insurance plan.
Patrick Sanders2 Patrick Sanders2 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2013
#988 ·
We just closed a deal selling our company, which currently carries about 10 $0.00 in liabilities,
and the incoming director is fully aware of the debt situation.
Now that the ownership transfer is complete, is there any legal way for the former director to shift those debts back onto us... or not?
Hannah Roberts86 Hannah Roberts86 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2013
#989 ·
Thinking about grabbing a tiny house. Some folks want us to start a business because they’d park it in a campground for rentals... but both my husband and I have full-time jobs. How does that setup actually work? We're looking at dropping maybe $30k on this. Is that enough to get through the first season?
Adam Johnson2 Adam Johnson2 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2013
#990 ·
Greetings.

I am planning to start an LLC with a friend. I am currently a full-time undergraduate student. I wonder
if establishing this business will impact my status as a full-time student?
If it does, what would be the best way to "work around" it? 🙂

Thanks
Steven Kim84 Steven Kim84 Member
14 messages
joined Apr 2013
#991 ·
I’ve been chewing on a few logistical headaches lately and wanted to pick your brains. First off, is it actually legal to set up an LLC with a registered office in a different county than where I actually live? I don't want to run into any red tape issues with the state if my paperwork says one thing but my home address says another. Also, I'm looking at my business model—since I'll be handling all the deliveries myself, and we're talking small items and low volumes, there's absolutely no way I need a massive freight truck or a heavy-duty van. Could I just use my personal car for these deliveries and register it under the company name? Or am I legally required to have a vehicle with a dedicated cargo area to qualify? Any insight would be huge.
Jesse Ruiz88 Jesse Ruiz88 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2013
#992 ·
Hey everyone, if anyone knows the deal on this, please let me know—thanks in advance!
I’m looking to set up an LLC. I want to be the owner to handle the legal side of things, but since I’m currently unemployed and collecting unemployment benefits, I have a specific plan in mind. My dad is working and already covered by his employer, so I was thinking of naming him the director of a company with zero employees. That way, I wouldn't have to worry about payroll taxes or social security contributions for him since he’s already registered elsewhere. Is it actually possible to own a company without being an employee myself to avoid those extra tax hits? I’ve got a solid business idea that I think could take off in the very first month, but I’m short on startup capital and won't be able to get a bank loan right now. I really need to get this moving with the absolute minimum overhead.
Carol Price4 Carol Price4 Regular
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joined Nov 2019
#993 ·
Jesse Ruiz88 said:Hey everyone, if anyone knows the deal on this, please let me know—thanks in advance!
I’m looking to set up an LLC. I want to be the owner to handle the legal side of things, but since I’m currently unemployed and collecting unemployment benefits, I have a specific plan in mind. My dad is working and already covered by his employer, so I was thinking of naming him the director of a company with zero employees. That way, I wouldn't have to worry about payroll taxes or social security contributions for him since he’s already registered elsewhere. Is it actually possible to own a company without being an employee myself to avoid those extra tax hits? I’ve got a solid business idea that I think could take off in the very first month, but I’m short on startup capital and won't be able to get a bank loan right now. I really need to get this moving with the absolute minimum overhead.

You can definitely be the owner while your dad acts as the manager and officer.
Brian Reyes2 Brian Reyes2 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2013
#994 ·
I’m looking for some advice from someone who’s been through this before..
If I’ve officially transferred my ownership stake in the company and stepped down from the board, am I still on the hook for any outstanding tax debts, or does that responsibility shift entirely to the new owner?
Jesse Ruiz88 Jesse Ruiz88 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2013
#995 ·
Carol Price4 said:You can definitely be the owner while your dad acts as the manager and officer.

Thanks
briskjackal9 briskjackal9 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2013
#996 ·
Thinking about going legit and starting a business to cover all the side gigs I've been doing under the table. My gear is worth about $11,000 if it were brand new. Two things: 1. Is it an issue moving my current equipment over to the company books if it’s used and I don't have the original receipts anymore? 2. If I set up an LLC, can I lowball the equipment value so I don't trigger an automatic audit? Does the company capital have to stay under $20 $0.00?
Carol Price4 Carol Price4 Regular
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joined Nov 2019
#997 ·
briskjackal9 said:Thinking about going legit and starting a business to cover all the side gigs I've been doing under the table. My gear is worth about $11,000 if it were brand new. Two things: 1. Is it an issue moving my current equipment over to the company books if it’s used and I don't have the original receipts anymore? 2. If I set up an LLC, can I lowball the equipment value so I don't trigger an automatic audit? Does the company capital have to stay under $20 $0.00?

You’ve basically got two ways to play this—you can sell the equipment to your company as an individual, which lets them list it as fixed assets, or you can hire a professional appraiser at the start to value everything and roll it in as your initial capital. Just a heads-up though—if the value is massive, that second option only really works for a standard LLC; you won't be able to go the Single-Member LLC route if the capital exceeds certain limits. $6.75...
briskjackal9 briskjackal9 Newcomer
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#998 ·
Carol Price4 said:You’ve basically got two ways to play this—you can sell the equipment to your company as an individual, which lets them list it as fixed assets, or you can hire a professional appraiser at the start to value everything and roll it in as your initial capital. Just a heads-up though—if the value is massive, that second option only really works for a standard LLC; you won't be able to go the Single-Member LLC route if the capital exceeds certain limits. $6.75...

If I go the single-member LLC route, can I give the company a loan first and then sell my equipment as an individual? Like, could I lowball the value to maybe $1667 bucks just to keep the asset value on the books super low? Also, does it matter if I don't have actual receipts for the old gear??
Jack Young Jack Young Active Member
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joined Mar 2015
#999 ·
briskjackal9 said:If I go the single-member LLC route, can I give the company a loan first and then sell my equipment as an individual? Like, could I lowball the value to maybe $1667 bucks just to keep the asset value on the books super low? Also, does it matter if I don't have actual receipts for the old gear??

Just sell the gear to the LLC using a basic bill of sale. Once your LLC actually starts seeing some real cash flow, you can just pay yourself back for what the company bought from you. There’s really no need to mess around with a formal loan and then deal with the paperwork of a sale later...

And honestly, why would you want to lower the equipment value? That seems counterproductive. You'll actually want to lean on depreciation to help lower your taxable income at the end of the year...
Carol Price4 Carol Price4 Regular
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joined Nov 2019
#1000 ·
briskjackal9 said:If I go the single-member LLC route, can I give the company a loan first and then sell my equipment as an individual? Like, could I lowball the value to maybe $1667 bucks just to keep the asset value on the books super low? Also, does it matter if I don't have actual receipts for the old gear??

I think you're getting a few things mixed up here...

If you sell equipment to your LLC as an individual, it just becomes part of the company's fixed assets—and there's no need to artificially lower the value (Nedica explained why pretty clearly earlier)... because fixed assets aren't the same thing as the initial capital contribution, which seems to be what's actually bothering you since you're trying to avoid the high startup costs of a full corporation...
It doesn't matter if you don't have the receipts; the gear is used and you're selling it as a private citizen. Just draw up a simple bill of sale and you're good to go.

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