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Starting an LLC: Where to begin?

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Keith Phillips3 Keith Phillips3 Member
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joined Aug 2003
#101 ·
jadesailor14 said:you don't have to
Just tell me which specific law, article, paragraph, or section mandates that an LLC must report someone or anyone at all?
What is this 15-day rule about?
Did I not mention above which issue of The New York Times stated that this provision was repealed? Why is it so difficult to read and verify for yourself?

I have no idea which laws or paragraphs apply; I don't spend my time obsessing over those details—I will simply consult a lawyer.
If you haven't noticed, I am merely reporting what is being said and what people are telling you.
In practice.
That is why I suggested it would be best to ask someone who actually operates this way—they certainly know how things REALLY function in the real world.

The reality is that when dealing with government agencies, you often receive contradictory answers and inconsistent procedures.
Let's not even get started on Customs. 😁

And by the way, are you speaking from actual experience, or is this pure theory based on "how things should be" and dryly citing legal codes?

jadesailor14 said:What kind of black-market VAT refund are we talking about if the company is dormant? If you can claim a refund, it means you bought or paid for something, which implies you had an inflow of funds (startup capital, revenue, a loan, etc.), which means (by some miracle) that you actually had transaction activity in the account.

What else did I say? 🙄
From what I gather about milkyja, his initial plan is just to make purchases through the company (likely by lending his own salary from another job to the business), then eventually engage in some business rather than remaining dormant, all while working for another firm simultaneously.
Startup capital does not count as turnover. 😉
jadesailor14 jadesailor14 Regular
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joined May 2006
#102 ·
Keith Phillips3 The user said:By the way, are you speaking from actual hands-on experience, or is this just pure theory—like, just dryly reciting legal paragraphs about how things "should" be?

Just standard practice!
It’s a bummer, but at the end of the day, we just have to follow the dry laws and legal jargon!
They're just as useful for private companies as they are for government agencies!
Whether it's lawyers, tax specialists, or anyone else in between, they don't get to just interpret things however they feel like!

It’s actually wild when you think about it—you have hundreds of companies out there that have been operating for years without hiring a single employee!
I didn't have a single issue during that entire stretch!

When it comes to your initial investment, you can actually use that seed money for pretty much anything! It’s such a relief to have that kind of flexibility right from the start.
Even if you're just taking a luxury cruise through the Caribbean, you still have to make sure everything is reported correctly so your taxes are handled properly! 😉

Keith Phillips3 said:Let's skip the talk about Customs!

😕 Should we have?
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#103 ·
Keith Phillips3 said:Spending money would involve reclaiming the VAT. 😁

Until that first transaction hits, the company is essentially dormant (meaning you just file zero returns with the IRS, etc.).
From what I understand 😁, once that first transaction goes through the transition account, at least one person has to register with the Social Security Administration within 15 days.

NO!
I solemnly swear to give my first paycheck to whoever is the next person to claim a company *must* have an employee.
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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joined Sep 2011
#104 ·
Keith Phillips3 said:I don't know anything about specific laws or paragraphs—that's not my thing. I'll just ask my lawyer.
If you didn't catch that, I'm simply reporting what was said and what you were told.

Forget the hearsay. A month ago, they told me straight to my face at Chase that individuals in America couldn't hold an IBAN back when I had my account with Bank of America.
Running into some idiot at the IRS who probably started yesterday isn't a valid excuse to keep spreading easily debunked misinformation on this forum. jadesailor14 was quoting a Supreme Court Decision, which was the final word on this whole saga. Any further "well, someone told me" arguments are just redundant and a waste of time.
Keith Phillips3 Keith Phillips3 Member
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#105 ·
jadesailor14 said:you have hundreds of companies operating without a single employee for years
the entire duration without any issues whatsoever

As I stated above, I don't personally know anyone in this situation, but fine—I will take your word for it. When we are discussing actual practice, listening to theorists makes my hair stand on end.

jadesailor14 said:with the cash contribution, you can spend the initial capital on whatever you want
even a cruise through the Caribbean, as long as you report it correctly and calculate/pay the taxes accordingly😉

Of course. But what does that have to do with the capital contribution itself?
You wrote earlier that the initial capital contribution ALONE counts as revenue. 😉

banderas said:NO!
I solemnly swear to give my Bank of America card to the first person who writes that a company must have an employee.

Excellent.
Now, it would be lovely if you could actually explain why you're getting so worked up. ☕

You get the exact same answers from various clerks at both the IRS and the Social Security Administration (and darkraven10 already noted above that he received the same response from a "higher authority" at the IRS).
I received those same answers when I was setting things up (though I didn't need to worry about this specific issue, so I didn't pay much attention), and a friend of mine is receiving them now while opening a business.
They mentioned penalties before, and they are mentioning them now.
This means it isn't just one lone clerk or one single government agency spinning this tale.
And we aren't talking about hearsay from some guy at a bar; we are talking about answers coming from the official institutions.
Granted, not in writing, obviously.

Dammit. 😁

By the way, wait a second—did you actually receive an IBAN from Bank of America in Chicago?
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#106 ·
Keith Phillips3 said:Great.
Now it would be nice if you could actually explain what you're tripping over. ☕
People get the exact same answers from different clerks at both the IRS and the Social Security Administration (and darkraven10 already mentioned getting the same response from a higher authority at the IRS up above).
I ran into this myself when I was starting out (though it didn't apply to me specifically, so I didn't pay much attention), and a friend of mine is dealing with it right now while opening their business.
They were talking about penalties before, and they’re still talking about them now.
So, this isn't just some one single clerk or one specific government agency spinning a yarn.
And we aren't talking about hearsay from some guy at a bar; we're talking about official responses from the actual institutions.
Granted, they don't put it in writing, obviously.

Wait a second, did you actually receive an IBAN from the Bank of America in the city?

It would be helpful if you actually read the post jadesailor14 wrote, where she cited the specific Decision and the issue number in The New York Times where the latest ruling on this case was published. Instead of facing a very concrete argument, you're countering with "some guy at the IRS told me," which isn't a real argument. That might have been the case for a brief window years ago, and some people are clearly still living in the past, but the laws published in The New York Times are the only things that matter here. Besides, maybe that person was talking about a sole proprietorship rather than a corporation—though even then, I don't think there are any provisions regarding "15 days from the first transaction," since the owner pays their own contributions from the moment they start.

In the US banking system, there isn't an IBAN for individuals yet, but they'll have to implement it; I think the deadline is about a year away.
darkraven10 darkraven10 Member
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#107 ·
Keith Phillips3 said:You get the exact same runaround from both the IRS and the Social Security Administration. Different clerks will tell you the same thing (and darkraven10 already mentioned getting the identical response from a higher authority at the tax office).

My experience was this: they told me that if someone is listed as the director, they have to be registered somewhere (employed). Essentially, if you work as a night security guard at Bechtel for $600 a month and you're full-time, you could theoretically open your own company on the side and name yourself the director. According to the tax officials, that company could technically operate with zero employees because the director is already paying their taxes and social security (so, they count as employed).

Based on their logic, for example, you can't be a student receiving government grants and health insurance through the university while simultaneously being a director of a company (on paper) while formally being unemployed. However, based on what jadesailor14 noted, you actually can.

Personally, I think that falls under labor violations regarding off-the-books work, but that’s a different conversation entirely. 🙂
Joshua Gray77 Joshua Gray77 Newcomer
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#108 ·
darkraven10 said:I received a response stating that if someone is listed as the director, they have to be registered somewhere (employed). Basically, if you work as a night security guard at Bechtel for $600 a month and you're a full-time employee, you can decide to open a company on the side and name yourself as the director. According to the IRS, that company can operate with zero employees because the director is already paying their own taxes and social security (so they count as employed).

According to their logic, for example, you couldn't be a student receiving government grants and health insurance through the university while simultaneously being a director of a company (on paper) while formally being unemployed. However, based on what jadesailor14 mentioned, you actually can.

Personally, I suspect this falls under labor violations regarding off-the-books work, but that’s a whole different conversation... 🙂

Exactly!

I am a full-time employee, yet I am also the director of my own company which doesn't have a single employee. I handle all the operations, issue invoices, pay the bills, and the business has been running for 10 months now.
Kenneth Myers10 Kenneth Myers10 Member
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#109 ·
darkraven10 said:According to what they're claiming—for instance, that you can't be a student receiving government-funded tuition and health insurance through the school while simultaneously being listed as a director of a company (even if it's just on paper) and technically being unemployed. But, based on what jadesailor14 mentioned, apparently, you actually can.

Personally, I feel like that falls under illegal off-the-books labor territory, but honestly, that's a whole different conversation. 🙂

The real catch here is this: you can't claim tax credits or stay on your parents' health insurance plan as a student, and you certainly can't collect unemployment benefits if you're an owner of a business.

Basically, you can't take "social safety net" assistance from the government if you own a company.
My neighbor—he’s a 53-year-old mechanic running his own small shop—could go back to school on a government grant without any issues. It really doesn't have anything to do with his business; it just comes down to passing the entrance exams and actually showing up to class (you know, not failing too many courses).
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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#110 ·
Let’s get down to business:

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
1176

The Supreme Court of the United States, composed of Smiljko Sokol, Chief Justice, and Justices Velimir Belajec, Marijan Hranjski, Jurica Malčić, Ivan Matija, Ivan Mrkonjić, Jasna Omejec, Emilija Rajić, Vice Vukojević, and Milan Vuković, deciding upon the petition filed by Vinko Buretić from Cleveland and OR Center LLC from Krapina regarding the constitutionality of certain laws, held a session on May 10, 2000, and issued the following

DECISION
and

ORDER

1. Proceedings are hereby initiated to evaluate whether the provisions of Articles 2, 7, and 8 of the Companies Act Amendment (published in "The New York Times," No. 34/99) align with the Constitution of the United States; these specific provisions are hereby struck down.

2. The petition to evaluate the constitutionality of Articles 4 and 6 of the Companies Act Amendment is denied.

Reasoning
1. Vinko Buretić of Cleveland submitted a petition to review the constitutionality of Articles 2, 7, and 8 of the Companies Act Amendment, arguing they violate Articles 3 and 49 of the Constitution of the United States.

2. OR Center LLC of Krapina, acting on behalf of Dr. Ivan Ovčariček, petitioned for a review of Articles 2, 4, 6, 7, and 8 of the same Act, claiming they contravene Paragraphs 1 and 4 of Article 49 of the Constitution.

3. In his filing, Vinko Buretić contends that these legal provisions restrict the rights of citizens—specifically entrepreneurial freedom—and run contrary to the rule of law.

He further argues that entrepreneurial freedom includes how a business interacts with the market, its financial capacity, and its ability to hire staff based on economic reality and necessity.

4. The petitioner from OR Center LLC argues that the contested provisions infringe upon constitutional protections for entrepreneurship, suggesting such mandates should only exist if the state grants a specific business concession to a legal entity.

5. The challenged provisions are as follows:

Under Article 2 of the Act, a new paragraph 5 is added to Article 32, stating: "A commercial company may commence its registered business activities only if it employs at least one member of the management board; furthermore, any company maintaining branch offices must employ at least one permanent employee at each branch."

Article 4 of the Act states:

"In Article 430, paragraph 1, after the words 'article,' the words '251 and' shall be inserted."

Article 6 of the Act states:

"A new paragraph 2 is added to Article 620, which reads:

'(2) The reciprocity requirement mentioned in paragraph 1 shall not apply to foreign investors who are headquartered or permanently reside in a member nation of the World Trade Organization, or who hold citizenship therein.'"

The contested provision of Article 7 stipulates that in Article 630, paragraph 1, item 4a is added, reading:

"4a. if the entity conducts business but lacks at least one member of the management board in its employment, or if it maintains branch offices without employing at least one permanent employee at each branch (per Art. 32, para. 5)."

The provision of Article 8 of the challenged Act stipulates:

"Commercial companies registered prior to this Act taking effect that conduct business without employing at least one management board member and at least one permanent employee at each branch office must, within 180 days of this Act's effective date, establish an employment relationship with at least one management board member and, if applicable, at least one permanent employee at each branch office."

6. The proposal was submitted to the U.S. Congress for review, with requests sent to the Department of Justice, the Department of Commerce, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for expert testimony.

7. Both the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Department of Commerce provided their assessments. They view the proposal as well-founded, arguing that the contested provisions directly conflict with Articles 3 and 49 of the Constitution.

8. In its expert opinion regarding Articles 2, 7, and 8 of the Act, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce noted:

Given the implications of Article 49 of the Constitution, there is significant legal ambiguity regarding the mandate imposed on founders—specifically, whether owners of a corporation are legally required to establish a permanent employment relationship with at least one board member or at least one employee in every branch office.

They argue this ambiguity becomes even more glaring when considering the retroactive application of these disputed legal provisions. It essentially forces founders of corporations without employees to undergo a fundamental shift in the legal and financial landscape under which they originally established their businesses. One could reasonably assume these companies would never have been formed had such an obligation been known at the time of inception.

Furthermore, they contend that if the retroactive application of these contested provisions were simply abolished, it would result in a violation of the principle of constitutional equality.

9. The Department of Commerce views these provisions as poorly defined and inconsistent when viewed alongside labor and pension regulations. Specifically, their analysis points out that while the law mandates that only one board member must be an employee, it fails to specify the exact nature of that employment relationship. This lack of clarity creates a direct conflict with Article 13 of the Pension Act, which dictates that board members of corporations must be covered by mandatory insurance unless they are already covered under another framework.

Since a single individual cannot be covered under two different employment frameworks simultaneously, the provisions in Articles 2 and 8 effectively force a board member to terminate their existing employment just to satisfy the requirement of being employed by the corporation they serve. Consequently, the consensus is that Articles 2 and 8 run afoul of the fundamental rights and freedoms protected by Article 3 of the Constitution.

The consensus further suggests these provisions fail to align with Article 54 of the Constitution, which guarantees the right to freedom of work, allowing individuals to freely choose their profession and occupation, and ensuring that all jobs and duties are accessible to everyone under equal conditions.

Additionally, the Department of Commerce maintains that Articles 2 and 8 violate Article 49 of the Constitution. Under the Companies Act, business entities are classified as either capital-based (such as corporations or LLCs) or person-based (such as public trading companies or limited partnerships). Because the Companies Act does not mandate specific governing bodies—like a formal board of directors—for person-based entities, these organizations end up in a privileged, and therefore unequal, position compared to capital-based corporations.

10. The arguments for evaluating the compliance of Articles 2, 7, and 8 with the Constitution are well-grounded.

11. However, the argument for evaluating the constitutionality of Articles 4 and 6 is unfounded.

12. During the proceedings, the Supreme Court gathered various opinions regarding the application of the Act; however, it is clear that the courts have not yet established a definitive stance, even in individual legal cases.

13. Indeed, even from these expert testimonies, it is evident that the practical application of this disputed Act is legally problematic due to its vague language and inconsistent handling of specific legal issues. This creates significant legal uncertainty for anyone engaged in entrepreneurship.

Beyond that, the contested provisions foster instability and inequality among business owners. These subsequent requirements hit corporations that never planned to hire additional staff in the first place—businesses that, based on their capital and financial capacity, were never equipped for such overhead, even though those limitations posed no barrier to their initial formation.

14. Expert commentary found in various professional journals also highlights that the provisions within Articles 2, 7, and 8 are poorly defined and problematic from the perspective of free enterprise. Because of this lack of clarity, they will fail to stimulate employment—which was supposedly the entire reason the proponents pushed this Law through in the first place.

Furthermore, it is clear that the obligation mandated by the Law pertains to the actual commencement of business activities. This occurs only after the entity and its specific line of business have been recorded in the commercial registry; therefore, any data regarding employee counts is entirely irrelevant to the registry itself.

The Law does not apply to corporations that lack a board of directors or a supervisory board, nor does it extend to legal entities that do not function as commercial enterprises.

Since the hiring mandate is tied to the start of operations—particularly when other regulatory approvals are required—the contested provisions simply do not apply to those commercial companies that haven't even begun operating yet. For entities that have not complied with the Companies Act Amendment, the provisions of that Act do not apply, and neither do the provisions of the contested Law.

15. The Supreme Court determined that the contested provisions create an uneven playing field for entrepreneurs in the market. By imposing additional conditions for starting or continuing business operations, the Law violates the principles set forth in Constitutional Article 49 of the Constitution.

(...)
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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#111 ·
(...)

Article 49 of the Constitution establishes:

- that entrepreneurial and market freedoms serve as the bedrock of the United States' economic development,

- that the government ensures all entrepreneurs maintain an equal legal standing within the market and strictly prohibits monopolies,

- that the state fosters economic progress and the social welfare of its citizens while promoting growth across all regions,

- that rights acquired through capital investment cannot be diminished by any law or subsequent legal act,

- and that foreign investors are guaranteed the freedom to repatriate profits and invested capital.

16. By applying the provisions of Articles 2, 7, and 8 of the Law, the government intervenes in entrepreneurship based on economic assessments made prior to the enactment of the contested law. This creates significant legal instability for business owners who established their companies under the regulatory conditions existing at the time of formation. The passing of this contested Law has altered the status of these entrepreneurs and, in certain instances, threatens the very survival of their businesses. Essentially, the state’s retroactive intervention has worsened their position—a variable they could not have anticipated when they first founded their companies.

The Supreme Court has ruled that these contested provisions prevent and restrict entrepreneurs from making decisions in the best interest of their companies—specifically regarding the necessity of hiring new personnel—based on their own economic projections.

17. Furthermore, Article 3 of the Constitution, which represents the highest values of the American constitutional order, mandates the inviolability of property and the rule of law.

The Supreme Court finds that the retroactive application of the contested provisions contradicts the rule of law as defined in Article 3 of the Constitution. In this specific case, the legal and financial framework under which founders of companies without employees operated has been fundamentally altered.

However, if the new conditions prescribed by these contested provisions were not applied retroactively, it would result in further inequality and unfair competition among entrepreneurs in the marketplace.

18. Since the Supreme Court has determined that the contested provisions conflict with Articles 3 and 49 of the Constitution of the United States, and acting pursuant to Article 53, Paragraph 1 of the Constitutional Law on the Supreme Court, the following decision is rendered.

19. Regarding the petition from OR Center LLC from Krapina concerning Articles 4 and 6 of the Law, the petitioner failed to provide sufficient reasoning as to why these specific provisions should also be deemed unconstitutional. As the Court found no contradiction between these provisions and Articles 3 and 49 of the Constitution cited in the petition, the motion regarding these articles is deemed groundless. Consequently, pursuant to Article 41 of the Constitutional Law on the Supreme Court, the Court rules as follows.

Case No.: U-I-646/1999
U-I-945/1999
Chicago, May 10, 2000.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

Chief Justice
Smiljko sokol, per signature.
Keith Phillips3 Keith Phillips3 Member
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#112 ·
It appears you have provided only a single word, "banderas," without any accompanying context or source text to rewrite. Please provide the full text you wish for me to transform. Once provided, I will apply the requested persona—long, detailed, formal, and blunt—while ensuring all geographic, institutional, and personal references are seamlessly converted to their US counterparts according to your specific instructions. kaže:
To be perfectly honest, I don't believe there is any specific provision regarding a "15-day window from the initial transaction" to be found in the regulations either. From what I understand, the owner has been paying their own contributions since the very day the company was established.

Of course, payments are required starting from the date of incorporation, but there is a specific deadline for filing that must be strictly observed.
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You can file both the notification regarding the commencement of business operations for contribution payers (M-11P Form) and the notification for the start of insurance coverage (M-1P) directly at a Social Security Administration service desk. Please ensure these are submitted within 15 days of your official business start date.
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You are required to submit the Employer Contribution Report (M-11P Form), the Primary Health Insurance Enrollment for the insured individual (M-1P), and the Dependent Health Insurance Enrollment for family members within 15 days of your business commencement date. These filings must be submitted in person at a local Medicare office.


How, for instance, can a student—or anyone else who isn't paying into the system through some other means—simultaneously serve as a director of a company?
Under Section 13 of the Pension Act, that simply isn't permitted. The following details regarding the recent legal developments and the implications of the latest judicial rulings have been compiled from reports published by The New York Times. It appears we are facing a significant period of legal restructuring. According to the most recent updates, there is an ongoing debate surrounding how the Companies Act Amendment will interact with existing corporate frameworks. The core of the issue lies in whether certain previous decisions can withstand scrutiny under the current interpretation of the Constitution. There is a notable tension between the legislative intent of the new amendments and the established precedents held by the Supreme Court. Specifically, when examining how these changes affect corporate governance and liability, one must consider if the regulatory shifts align with the fundamental principles outlined in our nation's founding documents. Furthermore, the interplay between various administrative bodies—including those overseeing social security and healthcare—must be carefully monitored as these legal shifts take hold. While some argue that these adjustments are necessary to modernize our economic landscape, others remain skeptical about the potential for overreach by federal institutions. We shall see if the courts ultimately uphold the stability of the existing system or if this marks a permanent shift in our legal architecture.
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
260 messages
joined Nov 2007
#113 ·
Keith Phillips3 said:How, for instance, can a student or anyone else who isn't paying into the system through other means simultaneously serve as a company director?
Under Article 13 of the Pension Act, they can't. http://www.nytimes.com/articles/official/1998/1409.htm

The Supreme Court ruled that a director doesn't necessarily have to be an employee of the firm. There’s really no debate there; their word is final. 🙂

Naturally, you can't maintain full-time student status or remain registered as unemployed while reaping those specific benefits and also acting as a corporate director.

However, under the Pension Act, someone who isn't on unemployment benefits, nor a student, etc., would still be required to pay minimum pension contributions—even if they aren't paying other taxes because they aren't technically "employed." This happens because the various laws don't actually align; back in '98 and '99, the intention was clearly to ensure at least some level of employment, which explains why those provisions exist...

In practice, though, these scenarios rarely ever manifest. Nobody wants to forfeit their student privileges, and if you're unemployed or a part-time student, losing health coverage isn't worth the hassle. No one bothers pointing out the regulatory inconsistencies because the math just doesn't work out. It's much more practical to appoint a relative who is already employed as the director, while the student simply acts as the owner and swaps out the director whenever they feel like it. 🙂
feralcyclist10 feralcyclist10 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2006
#114 ·
New here. If anyone knows their stuff, I could use a hand.

Here’s the deal:

I set up an LLC, but after fighting with all the big banks and leasing companies, I just decided to buy a car in my own name using a personal loan.

Question:

Can I actually draw up a lease agreement between myself (as an individual) and the CEO of my own company?

And is there any way to write off the sales tax, or at least claim the gas, registration, repairs, tires... all that stuff as business expenses?

Thanks.
urbanranger18 urbanranger18 Member
20 messages
joined Apr 2007
#115 ·
1. sell your car to the company
2. crazy driving - $0.67/mile
Sean Kelly8 Sean Kelly8 Member
12 messages
joined Sep 2007
#116 ·
You can sell the car using a standard bill of sale, but there's a catch: you won't be able to write off the sales tax on the vehicle itself. You’d only be able to claim deductions later on things like gas, maintenance, and other supplies—and even then, if it's your personal vehicle, you're capped at 70%.
Otherwise (meaning if you don't sell the car), you just calculate $0.67/mile as local business travel.
feralcyclist10 feralcyclist10 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2006
#117 ·
Selling my car to the company is a total non-starter—can't transfer ownership because the bank’s holding onto the title until the loan is fully paid off. And trying to mess around with mileage logs? Too much of a headache. What I really need to know is if there's some loophole in a lease agreement where the company can dodge 70% of the sales tax on a new vehicle purchase? The invoice would be in the company's name, but since I'm the CEO, my name is still on the title.
Terry Torres6 Terry Torres6 Member
12 messages
joined Oct 2007
#118 ·
feralcyclist10 said:I set up an LLC—and after some rather unpleasant friction with the leasing companies—I decided it was simpler to just take out a personal auto loan instead.

It sounds like those leasing firms really gave you the runaround.
Sean Kelly8 Sean Kelly8 Member
12 messages
joined Sep 2007
#119 ·
If the invoice is in the company's name, then the business owns the vehicle. You prove initial ownership through either that invoice or a bill of sale. I'm not sure which sales tax you're referring to—are we talking about the tax built into the car's price, or just the tax on service visits and gas? If you mean the tax on the vehicle itself, you can claim that credit as long as you have a valid invoice on hand (complete with the EIN, company name, etc.).
As for mileage logs, if the car is registered to the business, you're required to track every trip longer than 19 miles.
feralcyclist10 feralcyclist10 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2006
#120 ·
How do I write off the full sales tax if the title and registration stay in my name instead of the LLC?

I'm trying to figure out if there's some kind of lease agreement I could sign with my own company to justify the expenses.

My gut says I can't claim the whole tax deduction, and honestly, I don't think there's any legal loophole that wouldn't get me wrecked by an IRS audit.

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