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Kevin Nelson6 Kevin Nelson6 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Regarding the notion that outer space (God, or perhaps some higher intelligence) provides support for our every belief, such that
"whatever we believe in becomes true for us".

To put it more plainly, does it not follow that through our thoughts, attitudes, emotions, speech, and actions, every individual effectively constructs their own reality?
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#2 ·
Norris said:Specifically, the premise that outer space (God, a higher intelligence) supports everything we believe in, such that
"whatever we believe in becomes true for us".

In other words, that through our thoughts, attitudes, emotions, words, and actions, every single one of us constructs our own reality.

Where on earth did you get that thesis?

If you ask me (and several others), we are the ones supporting what we believe in.

Invoking some sort of "higher" intelligence is nothing more than a mental game played to dodge the weight of personal responsibility.
Kevin Nelson6 Kevin Nelson6 MemberOP
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#3 ·
I am placing the entirety of this responsibility squarely upon your own shoulders. You are making a conscious choice regarding your own perspective; after all, the only variable within your control is your own mind and what you choose to believe in.

If you operate under the assumption that life is an uphill battle and people are inherently malicious, then that is precisely the reality you will inhabit. Conversely, if you make the decision to embrace a positive outlook—viewing life as manageable and people as fundamentally good—you will find that such experiences begin to manifest. In either scenario, the choice of belief rests solely with you, and God provides the support for that path.

It is essentially the principle of free will put into practical application.

Of course, your past experiences may have "taught" you that life is a struggle, but at any given moment, you possess the agency to decide that from here on out, you will believe in goodness and love, thereby fundamentally altering the trajectory of your life for the better.

As for the thesis itself? It is a classic tenet of positive thinking.
Nancy Chase2 Nancy Chase2 Member
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#4 ·
Norris said:To put it plainly, we are all architects of our own reality, constructing it brick by brick through our thoughts, attitudes, emotions, speech, and actions.

👍

Experience doesn't actually forge conviction; if anything, it's the other way around—conviction is what paves the road for experience to happen.
John Walker74 John Walker74 Active Member
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#5 ·
Norris said:Look, if you go through life convinced everything is a struggle and everyone is out to get you, then that’s exactly the kind of mess you’re going to experience; but if you make the choice to stay positive and believe people are actually decent, life starts feeling easier and good things begin to happen. Either way, you’re the one choosing your mindset, and God is right there backing you up in that decision.

Seriously? That’s just some flowery, feel-good philosophy that doesn't hold any water in the real world...
The only thing that "follows your thoughts" is the sheer exhaustion you feel after smelling the same old nonsense for a hundred years... maybe then reality might actually start aligning with your delusions...😉

buzz... buzz
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#6 ·
Norris said:Essentially, if you go through life believing everything is difficult and people are inherently malicious, that is precisely the reality you will experience. However, if you choose to embrace positive thinking—believing life is smooth and people are good—that becomes your reality. In either scenario, the choice rests entirely with you, and God supports your decision.

Oh, please... give me a break. Am I supposed to just march into Iraq with nothing but "positive vibes" and expect everyone to be wonderful? Please. If I step in to save someone from being mugged, do you honestly think they’re going to thank me for my "beautiful mindset" while they're busy attacking me? It's absurd.

Norris said:Of course, your past experiences may have "taught" you that life is an uphill battle—but at any given moment, you can decide to believe in goodness, love, and so on, thereby fundamentally changing your life for the better.

That is a logical paradox. You cannot simply decide at any whim to believe in the good; if you actually possessed a will and a spirit sufficiently disciplined to achieve that state, you wouldn't even need to make such a conscious decision.

Thoughts are restless; they race, they sprint, they retreat, and they hide, all while taking a heavy toll on one's physical health. It takes years of dedicated work to master them, to gain control over your concentration, and to find peace within both body and mind. Furthermore, it takes years of practice before "good" thoughts become spontaneous rather than being forced upon oneself. If you are merely forcing positive thoughts, you are simply suppressing the negative ones, and those suppressed thoughts will inevitably find their way out of the subconscious—if not as intrusive thoughts, then as physical illness.

What you are suggesting might pass in some superficial weekend spirituality seminar, but it holds no weight in actual practice.

Baffy The Fluffy Slayer
Kevin Nelson6 Kevin Nelson6 MemberOP
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#7 ·
First of all, I never specified a timeframe. Of course, this isn't something that happens overnight. It would require years of dedicated effort—months for certain aspects—because the objective isn't merely to indulge in thought.

The true point is to actually believe, because if you vocalize one thing while deep down you feel and believe the exact opposite... nothing will come of it.
Furthermore, every individual is responsible solely for themselves, which leads to this conclusion:
-sure, you aren't going to stop the war in Iraq, but perhaps you can prevent YOURSELF from being caught in the crossfire.

If people would simply stop foaming at the mouth, they might actually find the capacity to contemplate the underlying philosophy. One must ask: why is it that some individuals are thriving, healthy, and pursuing careers they love, while others remain eternal victims, trapped in poverty or illness? It would appear as though God is unjust, granting everything to some while leaving others with nothing.

But when we truly reflect on what is common to ALL human beings, we arrive at an answer: everything else can be stripped away from you, yet you alone decide what you believe and how you think. Perhaps that is the TOOL God has bestowed upon us all, and whoever masters its use will ultimately save themselves.

It aligns perfectly with the old adage—every man is the architect of his own fortune.
Hannah Nelson52 Hannah Nelson52 Newcomer
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#8 ·
I can't get this to connect...
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#9 ·
Norris said:First of all, I never specified a timeline. Of course this isn't going to happen overnight. It would require years of dedicated labor—months for certain aspects—because the point isn't merely to harbor a thought.

It would certainly be prudent to mention a timeframe alongside such endeavors, simply so people aren't led astray by false expectations.

Norris said:If people could stop foaming at the mouth for a moment, perhaps they might actually contemplate the underlying philosophy. The question remains: why is it that some individuals are thriving, healthy, and pursuing careers they love, while others remain eternal victims, mired in poverty and illness? It leads to the conclusion that God is unjust, because He grants everything to some while leaving others with nothing.

Ultimately, it seems you are merely constructing human mental frameworks to justify the existence of God, because otherwise, His actions become incomprehensible. Perhaps it is all mere coincidence—just as it is a cosmic coincidence that our Sun happens to be located in this specific sector of the galaxy rather than some other region where it would be swallowed by a black hole.

Norris said:But when we reflect on it—what is common to ALL human beings?—we arrive at an answer: everything else can be taken from you, but you alone decide what you believe and how you think. Perhaps that is the TOOL God gave to us all, and whoever learns to wield it will find salvation.

That aligns perfectly with the old adage: every man is the architect of his own fortune.

This implies that God fulfilled His purpose once He provided us with that tool. He provided it, and then He departed. If everyone is truly the architect of their own fortune, then where on earth is this God supposed to be? 😉
Alexander Hall Alexander Hall Member
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#10 ·
Norris said:"...Whatever you believe in, manifests...

..."whatever we believe in becomes true for us"....

...but at any given moment, you can choose to start believing in the good, in love, etc., and by doing so, you change your life for the better...

...they can take everything from you, but you alone decide what you believe in and how you think. Maybe that’s the TOOL God gave all of us, and whoever learns how to use it—will be saved..."


I don't think the tool here is "believing."
It's "wanting."
Just "believing" isn't enough to make things happen.

Instead of the title "Whatever you believe in, manifests,"
I'd change it to "Whatever you truly want, you can achieve."

Think back to everything you've accomplished in your life. And the things you haven't.
Compare the presence and intensity of that desire (the time and effort put in).
Maybe the things you didn't achieve, you didn't actually want... or at least, you didn't want them enough.
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#11 ·
Alexander Hall said:The title "What you believe, manifests,"
should really be changed to "Whatever you truly desire, you can achieve."

Based on my own lived experience with these concepts, I can say with absolute certainty that the original premise is flawed—at least from where I'm standing.

You will inevitably attract circumstances and people who are "tuned" to your specific personality. If you change yourself—if you heal, if you gain true self-awareness—your personality will begin to attract different events and people, whether you consciously intend for it to happen or not.

Mere desire alone changes nothing. It is quite like what has been beautifully articulated here:

"With pure will, an unclouded purpose, and freed from the obsession with results, every path is perfect."
Alexander Hall Alexander Hall Member
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#12 ·
I think I should clarify my use of the word "desire." It was meant to be
read in the context of my entire post, not just in isolation.

Think of desire as intention—as an act of will.
I wasn't talking about passion or physical attraction or anything like that.
I suppose my point might have been lost if I didn't phrase it perfectly,
though I thought the meaning was clear enough.

As for those other tips you shared, they're well-organized.
🙂 Do they reflect someone who has already done the work to change and heal?

I'm off work today, just enjoying this beautiful morning and the Sun.
I wish the same for you, Ryan Wilson2.
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#13 ·
Alexander Hall said:I suppose my previous point could have been interpreted that way if I hadn't been quite so imprecise in my wording.

Regrettably, that is a personal shortcoming of mine; I have a tendency to take everything people say or write at face value.

Alexander Hall said:Regarding the rest of your advice, it is very well organized.
🙂 Does such a thing reveal a person who has already undergone change, healing, or true awareness?

I have certainly changed, though I am far from healed, and "aware"? Hardly. In fact, I suspect achieving that level of clarity might be nearly impossible within this particular social circle.

All I have managed to observe is the fundamental principle that specific actions inevitably yield specific consequences.

Alexander Hall said:I’m off duty today and soaking up this gorgeous, sunny morning. I hope you get to enjoy it too, Ryan Wilson2. [/B]

I am on the clock, and the harsh glare of the Sun is quite bothersome to my eyes. 😎

Nevertheless, I appreciate the kind sentiment. 😉
Kevin Nelson6 Kevin Nelson6 MemberOP
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#14 ·
Ryan Wilson2 said:You will always attract people and circumstances that are "tuned" to your specific personality. If you change yourself—if you heal and gain true self-awareness—your personality will inevitably begin to draw in different events and different people, whether you intend it to or not.

Is that not exactly what I am arguing? Is that not the very essence of everything I have been writing about? And yet, you choose to mock me, only to turn around and repeat the exact same sentiment back to me?
Does it not stand to reason that a positive character will naturally attract positive experiences and positive people? And how does one actually achieve such a state? Through practice, obviously. Of course, if you are merely acting like a parrot, repeating platitudes that you don't even truly believe and that don't reflect your actual character, beliefs, or values... then you will achieve absolutely nothing.
How does one train their body? You join a gym and you commit to certain exercises for days, months, perhaps even years. Only after a significant amount of time do you see that your physique has transformed and strengthened. In much the same way, you can transform yourself—your beliefs and your perspectives. But it does not happen overnight, just as you won't build muscle in a single day.
frozenangler9 frozenangler9 Active Member
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#15 ·
Norris said:Look, I’m putting the responsibility squarely on you. You’re the one deciding what to think—at the end of the day, the only thing you actually control is your own perspective and what you choose to believe.

Sure, we can pick our beliefs, but I wouldn't go that far with "opinions."

Opinions are tied to knowledge, and belief is basically just what we lean on when we don't know anything for sure.

I mean, obviously, it's pretty stupid to choose to believe in something bad over something good—if you even have a choice.

But does it actually change the outcome?
I guess I don't know. I've been in spots where hope was pretty much all I had, and nothing else was certain.
And things worked out fine.😉
placidjackal97 placidjackal97 Active Member
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#16 ·
Norris said:I’m placing the entire weight of that argument on your shoulders. You’re the one deciding what to think—after all, you’re the only thing in this world you actually have control over, including what you choose to believe.

It works like this: if you go through life convinced everything is a struggle and people are out to get you, that’s exactly the reality you'll build. But if you opt for a positive mindset—believing life is manageable and people are generally good—you'll start seeing that manifest. Either way, you're making the call, and God backs you up on it.

Think of it as free will in action.

Sure, your past might have "taught" you that life is just one big uphill battle—but you can decide right now to start believing in the good stuff, in love, etc., and watch how quickly things shift.

As for the theory? It's classic positive thinking.

I'm totally with Norris on this.
I live by this philosophy, and honestly, I've seen it work firsthand more times than I can count.
Of course—embracing this means taking personal responsibility, which isn't really something most people are willing to do.😉
placidjackal97 placidjackal97 Active Member
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#17 ·
But when you really step back and look at it—what’s actually universal about us? Everything else can be taken away—your stuff, your status, whatever—but you’re still the one in the driver's seat when it comes to what you believe and how you process the world. It feels like that might be the one tool God gave all of us; if we actually learn how to use it, we might just make it through.


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placidjackal97 placidjackal97 Active Member
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#18 ·
Alexander Hall said:I don't think "believing" is actually the tool being used here.
It’s more about "wanting."
Just "believing" isn't enough to make things happen.

The title "What You Believe Becomes Reality"
—I’d probably change it to "You can achieve whatever you truly desire."

Think back to everything you've accomplished in your life. And the stuff you haven't.
Compare the presence and intensity of that desire—the actual time and effort you poured in.
Maybe the things you didn't reach weren't even what you wanted... or at least, you didn't want them badly enough.

Actually, I see it the exact opposite way.
Believing is much more powerful than just wanting—and honestly, it's harder too. Anyone can want something, but only a few people truly believe.😉

Every single one of my successes came down to how much I BELIEVED they would happen. All those things I wanted but doubted I could pull off? They just fell through.
Alexander Hall Alexander Hall Member
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#19 ·
Believing in success, or just assuming we'll actually pull something off,
is probably a standard part of the mental prep work when you start something new.
But, like I mentioned before, I don't think that alone gets the job done.
It’s not enough without actual desire—that raw will to make it happen.
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#20 ·
Norris said:That is precisely my point, and it is what I have been writing about this entire time, yet you choose to mock me... only to turn around and write the exact same thing?

Mocking you? Well, let’s be honest... everyone interprets things through their own lens.

It seems to me we have been saying the same thing for days. From what I have gathered, your position is that mere desire or faith in a goal is enough to manifest it. My contention, however, remains unchanged: faith or desire alone cannot produce results. Real change only occurs when there is a fundamental shift in one's character, driven by a genuine commitment to the process rather than just a longing for the outcome.

Let me put it this way: you seem to believe that if we simply fixate on the destination, we will eventually arrive. I argue that one must focus entirely on the journey itself. The goal is merely a byproduct of the path taken; therefore, isn't it illogical to obsess over the destination while ignoring the work required to get there?

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