We are all one!

Eric Wells3 said:That’s basically what I was getting at.

I just don't see how you managed to drag science into this whole thing...😕

Are you seriously still unaware of what you actually wrote?
You were talking about interpreting from a "third-person" perspective, which is a scientific approach.
You don't even realize that, yet you used the terminology yourself!
Eric Wells3, go to bed!
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"Consciousness" as a scientific term isn't even properly defined yet, so how can it be?
You can't exactly make any scientific claims about her without...
They were credible. (Meaning they spoke from a third-person perspective!) If you...
You're looking at some unconscious guy, but you still don't have a clue what's actually going on.
"It hits his consciousness, and that’s the make-or-break moment."

Sure, we can’t peek inside someone else's head. So what? Big deal. If you want to understand the truth about consciousness, all you need is a look at your own. Why would anyone think some "third-hand" perspective is more reliable than first-hand experience? Honestly, why does anyone believe a scientist could tell them more about their own mind than they already know themselves?

One of the biggest scientific and global delusions is the idea that truth only counts if it’s measurable, empirical, or something you can prove in a lab. People act like "truth" is something handed down to us in third-hand snippets—from some preacher, a schoolteacher, or a politician—rather than something we find firsthand. Come on, people. Let's actually use our brains for once. We have minds too, right? There's gotta be some substance in our own heads, not just in whatever a priest or a government official tells us. If that old dogma were actually true, I could sit here right now and dump the entire truth about consciousness and the existence of this universe straight out of my own skull in just a few sentences. I could do it because that truth lives right there, and nowhere else. The only reason we haven't grasped it yet is because we keep looking for it in other people instead of looking within ourselves.

Here’s my truth. I carry it inside me, and I know exactly what it is. I’m only going to lay it out in a few short sentences. People have been hunting for this for thousands of years and still haven't found it, mostly because they’re looking for it in all the wrong places—trying to grab it with their hands like it's some physical object. My truth belongs to me, and frankly, I don't need anyone else's version. You guys can do whatever you want with yours, but good luck.
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1.Get it together, that's me. I'm just here to observe..

2. I agree. I’ve got two different skill sets at my disposal:

a). Physical ability? That’s just... Stress, movement, and actual work. That's the whole game right there. And even with these skills. I am ready. Send over the content you need me to rework. I can't even begin to process this. What am I looking at? This is absolute nonsense. Seriously, how does anyone find this useful? It’s just noise. Total garbage. Physical vs. material. Pure power and presence.

I can't work with just a single letter. Give me something real to sink my teeth into. Psychic abilities—we’re talking about the capacity to... I hear you. My effort, my movement, my work—yeah, that’s what it takes. I feel, I remember, I think, and I get it. Honestly, with skills like those, I’m basically untouchable. Mental vs. conscious. Pure power and presence.

3. Based on my own mental edge when it comes to picking up on things and actually remembering them...I'm just getting started. I don't know what you're trying to get at here. You're just throwing out single words like that? If you've got something to say, just say it. Stop wasting everyone's time. The reason. My whole existence depends on them. I know. I exist. Period. If I didn't know anything, I wouldn't even have a reason to be here.

4. Honestly, my intuition is just on another level when it comes to sensing everything around me—my surroundings, myself, and just the whole vibe of my own existence. It’s like I can feel what's actually happening. Alright.Yeah, I'm my own man. Purpose, meaning, and the whole damn point. I’m grateful for my existence. Because if I didn't view everything through that lens—if I didn't feel like all this was actually good for me—then what's the point? My whole life would be meaningless.

5. I’ve got this weird psychological thing where I can sense every single threat to my existence from a mile away. Evil., I don't know what you're trying to say there. Get to the point. I haven't seen any posts from you yet. You waiting for permission or something? Get to it. The cause. My whole existence basically boils down to this: whenever I feel threatened or sense some bullshit evil creeping in, I can’t stand it. It’s negative as hell, and I hate feeling that way, but it forces me to find a way to overcome it and shake it off. Even though that sense of vulnerability sucks, it’s actually a good thing. If I didn't feel it, I wouldn't give a damn whether I existed or not, and I'd probably just fade into nothingness pretty fast. So, because that fear is there, it’s the very reason I exist—I'm constantly running from it. Yeah. I’m always nameless, just existing because I'm constantly under fire.

Based on my own physical limits, how hard should I actually be pushing myself when it comes to training and working? I'm just saying. Just being myself. consequences I exist by my own hand. I build myself, I grow myself, and I keep myself going.
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Look, I’ve laid it all out in these six points. Everything there is to know about who I am and why I exist is right here. I don't need some priest, some small-town mayor, or some professor lecturing me on my own life. I know my own truth, and I check it against myself. I don't need any God to act as my "origin story" or to dictate my purpose, my goals, or the reasons I'm alive. I already carry all of that inside me. I am my own reason, cause, purpose, and consequence. I am my own God.
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That’s just how I exist, and that’s the truth about me. As for how you guys exist or what the deal is with your own existence? Beats me.

I know the answer, but I’m not telling you. Go ask some priest, some small-town mayor, or some scientist to give you their little "definitions" for all that. Personally, I know that you exist just like I do—entirely on your own—and you don't need any God. And I know everything else out there—trees, rocks, atoms, the Earth, whatever—exists the exact same way I do: just existing by itself. Even if a God did exist, he’d have to exist that same way, entirely on his own.
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There. Done. "The philosophical question of God." Aside from a god called ME, there isn't one. Want proof? There it is. Three hundred and fifty years ago, Descartes handed it to us when he said: “I think, therefore, (I-CONSCIOUSNESS-GOD) I am.” I am the only certainty we can actually say exists for sure.

Later,👋

nobody says anything at all:
Sure, sure...
But I was thinking about the actual starting point—that whole 'fall from grace' concept. If consciousness starts out as a single, unified thing without any external force, what on earth could possibly trigger movement?

And if we aren't talking about some kind of divine will, then I honestly don't know what else there is to grasp.😉
I also suspect there isn't really a beginning or an end here; consciousness was always just one singular entity. Every thought, every action, every creation, visible or otherwise... it’s all one and the same.
The issue is that our brains simply can't wrap themselves around the idea that everything is identical to everything else. Some people get so worked up about it they start foaming at the mouth, insisting on separation and difference, convinced that those things exist because of their own independence. They couldn't be more wrong. All diversity and multiplicity exist specifically because they stem from the One. Truly independent, standalone "things" or "events" are quite simply IMPOSSIBLE.
Let me say it again... everything exists because of everything else, and that "everything" is just ONE.
bye-bye-bye-Taylor Alvarez6🙂

nobody and nothing, says:
"It feels like if consciousness is singular at the start,
and there isn't anything else around, it's not clear what would trigger it to do anything."

For something to actually get moving, it has to be alive and conscious. Dead things don't just sit still—they can't even exist.

For anything to exist at all, the condition is that it exists by itself, eternally, simply because it can't come from nothing, nor can it be created out of nothing. And for it to exist on its own, it has to be its own reason, cause, purpose, and consequence. It has to be, essentially, three things in one. That one thing is the consequence, which manifests itself in three different ways, playing the role of its own reason, cause, and purpose.

The reason for that one existing as a consequence is knowledge (idea-information), because if that one knew nothing, it wouldn't have any reason to cause itself as its consequence, let alone exist.

The cause of that one is the desire to exist, because if it didn't want to exist, it wouldn't be here.

The purpose of its existence is the satisfaction it feels in being alive, because without that satisfaction, its existence wouldn't make any sense.

When you add it all up, for something to exist, it has to be material, alive, and conscious. As matter, that thing acts as the consequence, while its life and consciousness—in the form of self-knowledge, the will to exist, and the pleasure it gets from existing—act as the reason, cause, and purpose of its being.

The bottom line here is that matter couldn't exist if it wasn't alive and conscious. And vice versa, consciousness couldn't exist if it wasn't material. Outside of conscious matter (energy), there is nothing else, and there can't be. No matter what we discover in the universe later on, it's always going to be living, conscious matter.
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As for the whole issue regarding the variety of material forms in the universe, those are just different ways matter (energy) exerts itself through movement and work. They arise from the various pieces of information (ideas) that matter carries within itself about these forms. These forms only exist as long as matter builds them through its own effort and movement; the second it stops building them, they vanish like they were never there. Meanwhile, the living, conscious matter remains, just as it was before.
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If we actually grasp this, then the answer to your question: "It feels like if consciousness is singular at the start, and there isn't anything else around, it's not clear what would trigger it to do anything." is this:

Nobody ever moves consciousness (matter). Its movement is always self-driven. It constantly restarts itself and does everything on its own. It knows what it needs to do to exist; it wants to do exactly what it knows it must do to exist; and it enjoys everything it creates through its own movement and work, because that creation is the only way it can be a living, conscious being. Material forms, then, are just the means by which matter maintains itself as both matter and consciousness. Without them, it couldn't be either. That’s why it’s always exerting itself, moving, working, and building. When it gets tired and settles down, everything it built collapses and disappears. When it rests, it kicks back into gear and rebuilds everything again. It goes on forever, into the past and the future, through its constant exertion, movement, and work, eternally maintaining itself as a conscious, energetic (material) driving force.
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There you go. "The Question of God" in philosophy, solved!

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Cheers.
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Taylor Alvarez6, shout out to you,

Looks like we’re seeing eye to eye on this. I think I mentioned this once before, actually. It’s good to see someone else using their own damn brain to look at things for what they really are, instead of swallowing the garbage being fed to us by all those globalist hacks poisoning the world with their lies and ignorance.

Sandra Wilson68 said:nobody and nothing says:
The reason that single entity exists as a consequence is knowledge (ideas/information). If nothing knew about it, there would be no reason for it to cause itself as a consequence, nor any reason to exist at all..

It doesn't have to work like that... that one thing doesn't need self-awareness to exist or have a purpose. It has a reason to exist because whoever created it clearly had a purpose for it.
Water doesn't need to be self-aware to do what it does—obeying the basic laws of physics just like everything else in this universe.
Still, I can't wrap my head around energy being self-aware. Energy has always been here and always will be, but the idea that its own consciousness somehow triggered the Big Bang instead of it just happening by chance? Doesn't fly with me.
My take: I think, therefore I am; I am, therefore I think. Me = God. I believe it, but then again, I don't know why any of this started. The atoms making up my brain are just a tiny fraction of the massive "Me = God," so I’m just aware that I exist and that I am God. But I'll never truly know why, just like a cell in my pinky finger could never know.

Zaratustra:

”It doesn't have to mean... it doesn't need to be self-aware just to exist or have a purpose. It has a reason for existing because the entity that created it had a reason and a purpose for making it in the first place.”

Logic is a fundamental philosophical discipline. Based on logic—the self-evident truth (the axiom) stating that you can't get something from nothing—it follows that "creation" simply doesn't and cannot exist. According to this logic, if something exists, it means it has always existed, because it couldn't have come from nothing, and it will exist eternally because it can never turn back into nothing. Practically speaking, if something exists, it exists by its own right—it is its own reason, cause, and purpose. No one, and nothing outside of it, can grant it those qualities.

But to actually wrap your head around this, you first have to grasp the concept of "existence" itself. You have to realize there are two types of existence: absolute and relative. I'm talking about absolute existence here, not the relative kind. Absolute existence refers to what the entire universe is built from. That is a conscious, uncreated, and indestructible energy-matter. Material forms—atoms, celestial bodies, cells, plants, animals, humans, etc.—exist relatively because they can be dismantled and broken down. They can't create or destroy themselves; they only exist when that conscious energy-matter decides to build them. All these material forms are essentially the result of the effort, movement, and work of energy-matter. They only exist as long as that energy-matter continues to build them through its exertion, and they vanish the moment it stops. These forms are like music being played by a musician. In relation to the music, the musician exists absolutely, while the music exists only relatively, because the music only exists as long as the musician is playing. Once they stop, the music is gone. Material forms cannot be their own reason, cause, or purpose, just like a musician's song can't be. The matter that builds these forms and resides within them dictates their reason, cause, and purpose, much like the musician dictates the music.

And as for consciousness... only that which exists absolutely can be conscious. Material forms can't be conscious because they don't possess absolute existence. When it seems to us that they are conscious—like when we assume a human is conscious—it isn't the human as a material form that is conscious, but the energy-matter building that human as a form. That's why human consciousness doesn't depend on the person as a physical body, but on the energy-matter that constructs the form. This energy was conscious before it even fashioned a human, and it remains conscious even after the human body collapses.
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”Water doesn't need to be self-aware to do what it does, like following the basic laws of physics just like everything else in this universe.”

Water exists relatively, just like a human does, because water is a material form. This means water isn't conscious any more than a human is. What *is* conscious is what water is made of: energy-matter. What you call the "laws of physics" that govern how material forms behave are actually just recipes (information, software, solutions, ideas, knowledge) that energy-matter uses as a conscious entity. These are internal blueprints that it holds onto, acting as laws it follows whenever it wants to transform itself into a different material form—whether that’s water, stone, or a human being.
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”Still, I can't wrap my head around energy being self-aware. It has always been and always will be. But the idea that its own self-awareness somehow triggered something like the Big Bang? I just can't buy it.”

Vitality and consciousness are the core requirements for an absolute form of existence. Energy-matter couldn't exist if it weren't conscious, and consciousness couldn't exist if it weren't material. It's a fundamental reality that is eternal. It either is this way, or it isn't anything at all. This eternal vitality and consciousness rules out any..."Coincidence" is a myth. Nothing in this universe moves by pure chance. For anything to happen, there has to be an underlying blueprint—knowledge of what, how, and why something should move. Without a specific desire to initiate action, there's no fundamental causal force or energy to act from within the very thing that exists and needs to be set in motion. Don't forget, the movement of matter is essentially self-motion. Matter evolves precisely because of this internal drive and work. That means the force driving matter isn't some outside influence; it's internal. In other words, there is no transcendental God sitting outside everything, pulling the strings. There is a God that acts through everything and moves everything from the inside. And that is called consciousness.

I dropped the link to my website above if you want to dive deeper into all of this.
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"So, I think, therefore I am—or I am, therefore I think. I = God. I believe it, but honestly, I don't know why it all started. The atoms making up my brain are just one tiny part of the massive I=God, so I'm just aware that I exist, that I am God, but I'll never truly know why, just like a cell in my pinky finger could never know."

Consciousness is shaped by experience and knowledge. We are only as conscious as we are informed. Knowledge is something that can be forgotten, lost, and rediscovered. No matter how much you knew yesterday, you'll know more today, and even more tomorrow. Eventually, you'll hit the limit of what can be known and everything will click. If it doesn't happen in this lifetime or this human shell, maybe it'll happen in the next one, or the one after that.

Later.