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Why do we respect the elderly and people with disabilities?

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Participants AKenneth Ward8hollowtrucker77stormylynx14Alex Ramirez12Jason Morgan7Ronald Barrett12Matthew Doyle73Nancy Chase2shadowgardener12Bradley Fisher20Timothy Campbell2Michael Newman18swiftcobra15lonescout2placidfox55Sophia Fox38Ronald Anderson5
A Anonymous VeteranOP
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#21 ·
jimmy said:Man... things don't happen because they're labeled "right" or "wrong." It all comes down to your own level of awareness and how much you actually perceive the world around you.
Morality is just a concept for people who haven't thought for themselves. I don't do things because that's what I was taught in school; I do them because I've reached my own conclusions about how things work.

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 No more to add.
Jason Morgan7 Jason Morgan7 Newcomer
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#22 ·
damien said:Everyone knows I’m such a saint and just incredibly selfless, right?

Yeah, because we all know how true that is. 🙄
shadowgardener12 shadowgardener12 Active Member
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#23 ·
Jason Morgan7, of course Damien's just messing around (lost your sense of humor, haven't you?), but I'm betting it's just false modesty. It’s good having someone like him in the circle... keeps things interesting.

Ardo, yeah... our culture is basically built on death. It’s everywhere, even if we try to mask it. It sells well, though.

I'm with Adriatic on this one. Though, honestly, I think the distinction between grief and pity is more philosophical than anything else.

Damien and I don't exactly see eye to eye anyway. :P

Deep in the sun... your post feels very much like Supekov... 😉 though I see you're leaning into that "Tao" vibe too—merging opposites. Maybe subconsciously? There's a lot to unpack in what you wrote, but I haven't got the time right now.

I'm on Watashi's side here, naturally.😉 😁
Bradley Fisher20 Bradley Fisher20 Active Member
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#24 ·
Since someone already brought up the whole conscience thing, why can't we just admit that conscience is basically just social conditioning, right? Like, it's all just what we're taught by society...
Jason Morgan7 Jason Morgan7 Newcomer
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#25 ·
Jason Morgan7, please, Damien is obviously just pulling your leg (he’s lost his sense of humor lately, hasn't he?), but I'm fairly certain it's just a bit of false modesty on his part! Honestly, it's such a breath of fresh air to have someone as genuinely kind as him in our circle. Hehe.

Is it just me, or did someone forget to turn off the vacuum? 🙄
placidfox55 placidfox55 Active Member
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#26 ·
I used to get up just because that’s how I was raised.

Then there were times I stayed seated when I saw some old lady giving me that "I deserve your seat" look.

Other times, I got up because I put myself in their shoes and imagined being that much older.

Then there was that one guy—an older gentleman trying to be charming—where if I had stood up, I would’ve basically crushed his ego by making him feel like a frail old man instead of letting him flirt.

Once, though, I was actually the one who needed a seat. It was a Saturday night, I was in total agony, and every single chair was taken by a group of twenty-somethings hanging out together. I didn't have the guts to ask anyone to move, mostly because I was hurting too much to deal with whatever snarky comment they might throw my way.

Now? I just get up whenever I see someone who genuinely looks like they need the spot.
Bradley Fisher20 Bradley Fisher20 Active Member
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#27 ·
I’ll get my ass up whenever I see someone who actually looks like they need a seat...

Exactly. And we aren't talking about some old ladies clutching their purses. Not even just "old people" in general. Those folks actually *need* to sit down. It's a fact. And since I actually give a damn about them, I'm not getting up, no matter how much they beg me to...
placidfox55 placidfox55 Active Member
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#28 ·
Into bags? 😁
Michael Newman18 Michael Newman18 Member
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#29 ·
Empathy, solidarity—well, certainly. I suppose I’m mostly in agreement with swiftcobra15 on this one.
ali:

Quincy:
Of course I respect every single individual.
I hear this phrase tossed around all the time—"respect everyone"—but, if I'm being honest, I never quite grasp what people actually mean by it. To my mind, the idea of showing respect to absolutely every single person sounds suspiciously similar to showing respect to no one at all.

The thing is—and I suppose this is just how things work—respect, by its very definition, relies entirely on the act of selection. It’s about differentiation—picking certain people or qualities out from the crowd and setting them apart.

Let’s try to avoid using tired clichés—it’s exhausting when people start butchering concepts just to fit a narrative. This urge to "rank" things—to qualify them, to slot them into some sort of hierarchy—is really just a fundamental part of being human. It’s how we make sense of others, the world around us, and our own place within that mess. It’s a way of navigating reality. Of course, for those with a more... shall we say, "simplistic" mindset, this instinct tends to mutate. It turns into this primal, almost desperate need to shove everything into pre-labeled drawers. It becomes a defense mechanism—a fear of anything unfamiliar or different, and an irrational jealousy toward anyone who doesn't fit into their neatly organized little boxes.

To be fair, I find him quite charming myself—for a variety of reasons, ranging from his sheer idealism and that uncompromising streak to, well, his aesthetic. He’s got that classic, rugged look, much like a young Che Guevara. However, when it comes to the whole concept of “equality,” I suspect there’s plenty of room for debate.

If what you're trying to get at is that you don't—not inherently, mind you—reject, condemn, or marginalize anyone based on any preconceived notions—whether we're talking about race, social standing, or whatever else—or that you simply grant everyone a baseline level of respect until they eventually do something to discredit themselves in your eyes... then fine, I suppose I can work with that.

Look, I have to say—for me, the word "respect" carries a much heavier weight than most people seem to realize. I could never honestly claim to respect everyone. Let’s not lie to ourselves or put on this exhausting act of performative holiness. I’ve never really been one for those lectures on "humility"—though, I suppose, there might be a grain of truth buried somewhere in them. But quite simply, whether it sounds arrogant or not, there are certain people I genuinely despise. (I know, I know... "everyone has good in them," "who are you to throw the first stone," blah, blah, blah—I've heard all the clichés.)

Quincy:
Sympathy doesn't actually have anything to do with compassion—it’s more of an acknowledgment, I suppose—that we’re all part of the same collective experience.
Under the phrase—though I suppose that might be a bit of an overstatement, given how much nuance we usually strip away these days—it isn't necessarily meant to be ironic. Or maybe it is? It's hard to tell sometimes.🙂When you say we’re "all one," are you leaning into that whole "we're all just tiny cogs in the vast machinery of the universe" bit—that idea that we're all intrinsically woven into the fabric of nature? Because if I follow that logic to its conclusion—if we aren't actually "one"—then there wouldn't be any meaningful connection between the object of our sympathy and ourselves. And if that link doesn't exist, then, well, I suppose we wouldn't feel empathy at all. Honestly, that doesn't strike me as particularly profound or even remotely human.

Empathy—if you define it as that visceral ability to actually feel someone else's pain, or perhaps that spontaneous, pre-rational surge of anger when you see someone being mistreated—is a word I’ve always found far more meaningful than "pity." To me, pity carries this rather grating connotation of superiority, as if you’re looking down from some high horse at the person you're observing. Empathy, on the other hand, implies we're standing on level ground.
Look, let’s not kid ourselves here—we all have those people we just instinctively distrust, whether there’s some concrete evidence to back it up or not. It’s just human nature, I guess. It’s perfectly normal.

Quincy:
Roughly speaking, Burt Reynolds is—if you can even call it that—a pretty poor substitute for a functioning conscience.
I suppose I agree—it’s a good thing that backup exists, though. At least until now, that was the only way to actually nudge the behavior of cattle that have been stripped of any genuine internal compass or sensory input. Or perhaps when those sensors are just dead entirely... maybe.

Quincy:
I suppose I inadvertently offended an older gentleman today—though, to be fair, his attempt at flirting was a bit misplaced. He made a move that suggested he expected me to be the one rising to meet him, rather than the other way around. By essentially declining the invitation, I think I might have accidentally bruised his ego; it’s as if my refusal somehow stripped away his sense of masculinity and reduced him to just... an old man. It wasn't intentional, I guess, but there you have it.
🙂
😢
🙂

Yeah, well—it’s happened to me too, damn it...

Anyway, I'm heading out for the day. You guys are actually pretty sweet. Take care.
swiftcobra15 swiftcobra15 Regular
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#30 ·
Quincy:
illegale said:Since someone brought up conscience, why couldn't it just be something shaped entirely by social conditioning?

It’s true that humans are inherently social creatures—everything about our existence is influenced by the society we live in. Even basic things like how we eat, drink, or breathe are shaped by our culture.
But that doesn't mean I'm just some carbon copy or a pre-programmed script. I feel like I'm constantly building, refining, and evolving my own conscience. Even though I'm part of a community, my moral compass remains uniquely mine. 😉
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#31 ·
Quincy:
Second said:This isn't about rights or playing by some set of rules. It’s not even about respect. Seniors or people with disabilities don't have an automatic legal claim to your help. This is about basic humanity. It doesn't cost you a damn thing to stand up, but for someone older or struggling with a disability, it makes a massive difference.

Fair enough, but I've got to ask: why do we assume being "humane" is the right way to go? Is compassion something hardwired into our DNA, or did humans just figure out through trial and error that being "good" actually pays off in the long run? Is humanity just a byproduct of social survival instincts?
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#32 ·
Quincy:
Ardo said:What if we’re talking about Grandpa, bunny?

I’m 100% with anyone who says you should stand up for people who actually need the seat. I mean, come on—am I really going to sit there and watch someone with a disability or an elderly lady struggling to keep her balance on a bumpy subway ride? It’s not like it’s harder for me to just get up than it is to sit there wondering if they're about to faceplant onto the floor. And honestly, what kind of person would even pull out a phone to film that for some cheap laugh? That's just messed up.

What a mess! Just a little bit. I can't quite make sense of that specific term—it looks like it might be a typo or a bit of slang I haven't encountered yet. Could you clarify what you meant? I'm ready to dive in once I know what we're talking about! Honestly, if you ask anyone who actually matters, they’d tell you this wouldn't do any harm. If anything, it would be a huge step in the right direction!

If there’s one thing I absolutely can't stand, it’s pity.

We’re out here feeling sorry for everyone else... and in this specific case, I guess we’re just pitying those who are elderly or can't move around easily. 🙄 Isn't aging just a natural part of life?

Pity is incredibly patronizing. It isn’t actually empathy... it’s just an arrogant way for someone who thinks they’re on some higher material plane to look down on others. It’s basically deciding to feel sorry for someone because you view them as "inferior" to yourself.
Do you honestly think that’s the right way to handle this?
Sophia Fox38 Sophia Fox38 Member
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#33 ·
Blue Eyes said:If there is one thing I truly despise, it is pity.

We offer pity to others... in this instance, we pity them because they are elderly or physically limited... 🙄but isn't aging just a "natural" part of life?

Pity is incredibly patronizing. It isn't empathy... it’s an arrogant stance taken by someone who views themselves as being on a higher material plane... deciding to feel sorry for someone they deem "inferior"...
Do you honestly believe that is the "right" way to act?


I think you are seriously overreaching here!!
You despise pity? You call it patronizing? You have every right to get up from your seat for a woman who can barely stand while holding a small child... How dare I assume my gesture of giving up my chair is somehow "correct"???
I have a right to my seat just as much as she does, don't I? So fine—let her stand, who cares!! Is that really your philosophy?
🙄

I don't stand up for the elderly or the disabled, does that mean I don't care about anyone else?

Tragic.
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#34 ·
Namche said:I think you’re totally blowing this out of proportion!!
Do you despise compassion? Or is it patronizing? Do you actually have a right to judge me for getting up to give my seat to a woman who can barely stand because she's holding a toddler? How on earth could you suggest that my decision to offer her my chair was somehow wrong???
I have just as much right to my seat as she does, don't I? So if she wants to stand, she can just deal with it!! Is that really your take?
🙄

How sad!

No, that’s not what I meant... my point isn't that I won't get up out of pity... it's that I might get up for entirely different reasons...

By the way, I *will* get up... but that's not even the point here. Everyone is taking this way too literally (except for a few people)... when I talked about "getting up," I was speaking figuratively. The real question is: where does that instinct to respect, care for, or show empathy toward others actually come from? Jimmy argues it's a matter of consciousness... someone else might call it humanity, but where does that sense of humanity originate, and what is it that drives us to be human in the first place?

Namche, look, this is a philosophy forum. Try to step back and actually engage with the ideas for a second. We aren't here to point fingers at each other over differing opinions... we're here to take these big questions and use them to examine our own perspectives. We should be asking why we hold the beliefs we do, why we chose them, and what shaped them into what they are today.

Otherwise, go check out the religion or politics boards...😉
Bradley Fisher20 Bradley Fisher20 Active Member
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#35 ·
QUOTE]So you're saying humanity is more like the end result of some kind of empirical
logic?

The correlation is through the roof.
Ronald Anderson5 Ronald Anderson5 Newcomer
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#36 ·
Blue Eyes said:Why do you give up your seat on a bus, a subway, or in a waiting room to elderly people or those with disabilities? Is it because:

...it's just how you were raised?

...you feel bad for them?

...you know you'll be older and less mobile one day, and you hope someone will do the same for you when that time comes?

...you want everyone around you to think you're a good and selfless person?

...you believe it is MORALLY right to respect seniors and people with disabilities?

Or...

I don't stand up for the elderly or disabled because I just don't care about others... they taught me I should respect them... but I don't see the logic since there is no such thing as MORALITY... it's an invented concept burdened with subjective rules and principles... my own subjective principle is that I have the same rights to a seat as anyone else—whether they're healthy, old, young, or sick...

If you could argue your point... why do you think your reasoning is correct?

None of the above, honestly—I'm just a decent human being.
I simply get up without making a whole production out of it.😉
Besides, we usually stand up for younger ladies too, without all the deep philosophy.😁

:beah: :2up: 🇹🇭 (testing this out)
Sophia Fox38 Sophia Fox38 Member
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#37 ·
Blue Eyes said:That isn't quite my position... my position is that I won't lift anyone up out of mere pity... though I might lift them for other reasons...

By the way, I am lifting myself up... but that isn't even the point of this thread... you all took things far too literally (well, most of you)... my example regarding "lifting" was purely figurative... the real question here is where that impulse comes from—that drive in people to show respect, to care, to express compassion toward others... Jimmy claims it's consciousness... someone else argues it's humanity, but where does humanity originate, and what exactly compels us to act humanely?

Sophia Fox38, this is a philosophy forum, so please—try to push yourself a bit and actually engage in some deep thought... we aren't here to cast blame on one another for having differing viewpoints... rather, we are here to take the questions at hand and use them to scrutinize our own stances—to ask why we chose them in the first place, why we believe they are correct, and what foundational forces produced them...

Otherwise, go find the religion or politics forums...😉


It isn't just about pity; I simply believe it is the right thing to do to help someone who is barely standing, and I have absolutely no issue with that. Fine, maybe I exaggerated a little because I didn't particularly care for your post about pity.
But don't go thinking I'm going to lift up every single person I see, because that's not how it works. It's simple: I look at someone and decide, "okay, this person can barely walk, I'll step up."
No thanks to the politics boards—I'll pass—and as for religion, I might swing by occasionally just to argue with Bradley Fisher20 😁 😉
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#38 ·
Namche said:It’s not about pity. I just believe it’s the right thing to do—to lend a hand to someone who’s struggling to keep their footing, and honestly, I don't mind doing it at all. Okay, maybe I went a little overboard there because I wasn't really feeling your take on the whole "pity" thing.
But don't get it twisted; I'm not out here playing hero for every single person I pass. It’s more like, if I see someone truly stumbling, I decide, "Yeah, I'll step up."
As for getting involved in politics? No thanks. Religion? I'll stop by occasionally just to pick a fight with the ACLU. 😁 😉

Look, I’m not saying your way of thinking is wrong... but what makes you so sure it’s the right way to go?
Sophia Fox38 Sophia Fox38 Member
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#39 ·
Barack Obama:
Look, I’m not saying your approach isn't valid... but why on earth do you think it is?


Well... since you're pressing me on this... here is my stance—and it's "right" only in my own eyes... because I believe it's the right thing to do to step up for someone when I see they're struggling... because my conscience demands it... because it actually feels good... and so on.

Whether this is "correct" really just circles back to that whole debate about objective truth versus personal truth—everyone sees things through their own lens, including this conversation—because no matter what I say, you could always just turn around and ask me why I think I'm right.
Timothy Campbell2 Timothy Campbell2 Active Member
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#40 ·
Blue Eyes Samurai said:

Pitying someone isn't really helping them.
Pity is just condescending. It’s not empathy... it's more like some arrogant guy on a high horse looking down on someone he thinks is "below" him...


Blue Eyes Samurai, you hit the nail on the head here. I guess I agree—it basically reeks of arrogance....

You're sharp, Timothy Campbell2.

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