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Church and State: The "Sacramental Engineering" Case

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lonetrucker4 lonetrucker4 Active Member
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#61 ·
crimsonorca42 said:Now, I happen to know history quite well—specifically where and when Maxwell and Faraday actually lived.

Perhaps you might consider reading the actual post I was referencing before you start handing out moral lectures by pulling my words out of context and twisting them to suit your needs, all in the spirit of that 19th-century philosophy you seem to enjoy so much.

If you had done that, maybe you would have caught the sarcasm in my response.

But I suppose it was more important for you to defend your ideological comrade, whom I was merely quoting, by ignoring and failing to point out his ignorance, opting instead to immediately attack the "class (or what they call 'ideological' now) enemy." 🤔 ☕

Oh, so it was sarcasm? My bad. Sarcasm is hard to pull off these days—reality is usually weirder anyway. 😵

You were just more worried about backing up your ideological buddy

Chill out. I wasn't even looking at who you were replying to, just dropping some historical facts. If you know 'em, fine.
lonetrucker4 lonetrucker4 Active Member
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#62 ·
Rebecca Diaz said:They don't ban things openly; they do it subtly. I'm saying the exact same thing to you as a person of faith.
Kids are being taught they evolved from monkeys, that everything came from nothing, and how to use condoms.

Claiming that this kind of education in a country where the vast majority are Catholic isn't a "ban" just because it isn't written in a law book is incredibly naive.
It’s a calculated attempt to wipe out traditional values and promote degeneracy. 😠

Well, you clearly weren't paying attention in class, because nobody actually teaches that.

that everything popped out of nothing

And that’s not even a physical theory either; besides, cosmological theories are complicated stuff you might barely hear about in a high school physics class. Physics mostly hits that "Planck time" wall and just admits it has no clue what the laws of nature were like before that, other than "something" existed: matter-energy in a state we can't even wrap our heads around.

But funny enough, some theologians today are actually using those cosmological theories to argue for the existence of God.

Isn't that exactly what the Bible says—that God created something from nothing?

and how to use condoms

Are they seriously teaching that in schools here nowadays!? 😲 I mean, hey, useful skill, I guess.

that kind of education in a mostly Catholic country where over 90% are Catholic

Forget the debate over the actual number of Catholics; the Catholic Church has been acknowledging evolution since somewhere in the middle of the last century.

Nikola Vranješ - Tomislav Miletić: THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IN A MODERN PASTORAL-CATECHETICAL CONTEXT

A paper published in a theological journal by a doctor and master of theology. Right out of the gate, it mentions that evolution is a scientific fact. Doesn't question it once. It actually warns that denying it is a huge mistake when trying to promote faith.
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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#63 ·
lonetrucker4 said:There it is. Classic psychological projection right there. 🤣

Five hundred years ago, people were asking "where's the proof Earth is orbiting the Sun" too.

The proof is sitting right there in dozens of IPCC reports over the last 35 years. We're talking hundreds of climatologists per report—people who literally spent their entire lives studying this stuff—all based on thousands of peer-reviewed papers. Every single one has a "non-technical summary" designed specifically for any educated person to wrap their head around.

But nah, that’s way too much work. People just want a simple answer like "well, it says so in the Bible." 😵

Anyway, you're veering off topic.

A paper like that shouldn't have even made it past the first round of review in an engineering department. It shows how broken the standards are. Look: I could probably scrape together a paper on "pandemic apocalypses in 20th century Sci-Fi," but that’s literary theory, not medicine.

I suppose you mean the evidence that drove Nikola Kuzanski, a cardinal in the Catholic Church, then Copernicus, a priest, and then Kepler, who was also a priest, to map out planetary motion...

A fascinating read on "Institutionalized Ideological Corruption in Academia" would be something regarding how those French quasi-Enlightenment types—basically propaganda agents for the revolution—spread lies and misinformation about the Ancien regime and specifically the Catholic Church, work which eventually paved the way for cultural Marxism...

The evidence is right there in the roughly twenty IPCC reports from the last 35 years. Each one involved hundreds of climatologists—people who have basically dedicated their entire lives to studying climate—and these reports are built on thousands of scientific papers. Every single one includes a "non-technical summary" meant to be accessible to an educated layperson.

The only issue, I guess, is that this still hasn't been confirmed as scientific theory; it's more like a massive collection of unverified quasi-scientific hypotheses—the latest being that 'Hockey' stick,'
ps
We're talking about the impact of anthropogenic CO2 as the primary driver of climate change...

But no, that’s too complicated. We just want a simple answer, something like, "Well, it says so in the Bible."

Yeah, I suspect the other side would love nothing more than having interlocutors like that, just so they can mock them.
It’s inconvenient when people actually know things and start asking uncomfortable questions or presenting an uncomfortable truth.

Anyway, you're drifting off-topic here.

Are posts only allowed if they involve spitting on the FBI, because any work that isn't 'kosher' with the globalist progressive cabal is forbidden?

Work like this should never have been accepted in an engineering program. It just shows how truly broken the criteria have become. I could probably, with a little effort, write a paper on a "pandemic apocalypse in 20th century Sci-Fi," but that would be a literary theory paper, not a medical one.

Would there be nearly as much of an uproar if someone wrote an engineering thesis on a 'feminist' topic—like, "a woman in the history of engineering"?
Timothy Nelson5 Timothy Nelson5 Active Member
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#64 ·
lonetrucker4 said:Well, you clearly weren't paying attention in class, because nobody actually teaches that.

that everything popped out of nothing

And that’s not even a physical theory either; besides, cosmological theories are complicated stuff you might barely hear about in a high school physics class. Physics mostly hits that "Planck time" wall and just admits it has no clue what the laws of nature were like before that, other than "something" existed: matter-energy in a state we can't even wrap our heads around.

But funny enough, some theologians today are actually using those cosmological theories to argue for the existence of God.

Isn't that exactly what the Bible says—that God created something from nothing?

and how to use condoms

Are they seriously teaching that in schools here nowadays!? 😲 I mean, hey, useful skill, I guess.

that kind of education in a mostly Catholic country where over 90% are Catholic

Forget the debate over the actual number of Catholics; the Catholic Church has been acknowledging evolution since somewhere in the middle of the last century.

Nikola Vranješ - Tomislav Miletić: THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IN A MODERN PASTORAL-CATECHETICAL CONTEXT

A paper published in a theological journal by a doctor and master of theology. Right out of the gate, it mentions that evolution is a scientific fact. Doesn't question it once. It actually warns that denying it is a huge mistake when trying to promote faith.

In other words, I guess no actual scientist should really be ruling out the possibility that some "higher" entity designed the entire universe—one that we tiny little humans might assign divine attributes to, just because it makes sense practically?🤔

Setting aside the debate over how many Catholics are actually out there, the Catholic Church has been acknowledging the theory of evolution since somewhere around the middle of the last century.

It was an article in a theological journal, written by people with master's and doctoral degrees in theology. Right in the opening sentence, they treat the theory of evolution as a scientific fact. They don't question it at all. In fact, they warn that trying to deny it while promoting faith is a massive mistake.

If you look at the Bible stories regarding creation through a broad, metaphorical lens, nothing is actually in conflict with evolutionary theory.
Sam Martinez9 Sam Martinez9 Regular
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#65 ·
Timothy Nelson5 said:I suppose you mean the evidence that drove Nikola Kuzanski, a cardinal in the Catholic Church, then Copernicus, a priest, and then Kepler, who was also a priest, to map out planetary motion...

A fascinating read on "Institutionalized Ideological Corruption in Academia" would be something regarding how those French quasi-Enlightenment types—basically propaganda agents for the revolution—spread lies and misinformation about the Ancien regime and specifically the Catholic Church, work which eventually paved the way for cultural Marxism...

The evidence is right there in the roughly twenty IPCC reports from the last 35 years. Each one involved hundreds of climatologists—people who have basically dedicated their entire lives to studying climate—and these reports are built on thousands of scientific papers. Every single one includes a "non-technical summary" meant to be accessible to an educated layperson.

The only issue, I guess, is that this still hasn't been confirmed as scientific theory; it's more like a massive collection of unverified quasi-scientific hypotheses—the latest being that 'Hockey' stick,'
ps
We're talking about the impact of anthropogenic CO2 as the primary driver of climate change...

But no, that’s too complicated. We just want a simple answer, something like, "Well, it says so in the Bible."

Yeah, I suspect the other side would love nothing more than having interlocutors like that, just so they can mock them.
It’s inconvenient when people actually know things and start asking uncomfortable questions or presenting an uncomfortable truth.

Anyway, you're drifting off-topic here.

Are posts only allowed if they involve spitting on the FBI, because any work that isn't 'kosher' with the globalist progressive cabal is forbidden?

Work like this should never have been accepted in an engineering program. It just shows how truly broken the criteria have become. I could probably, with a little effort, write a paper on a "pandemic apocalypse in 20th century Sci-Fi," but that would be a literary theory paper, not a medical one.

Would there be nearly as much of an uproar if someone wrote an engineering thesis on a 'feminist' topic—like, "a woman in the history of engineering"?

Absolutely. But that’s a topic for a history department, not an engineering faculty. You could certainly pull off a thesis in the history of technology titled: A Historical Survey of Machine Development with an Emphasis on Female Inventors.

Timothy Nelson5 said:In other words, I guess no actual scientist should really be ruling out the possibility that some "higher" entity designed the entire universe—one that we tiny little humans might assign divine attributes to, just because it makes sense practically?🤔

Setting aside the debate over how many Catholics are actually out there, the Catholic Church has been acknowledging the theory of evolution since somewhere around the middle of the last century.

It was an article in a theological journal, written by people with master's and doctoral degrees in theology. Right in the opening sentence, they treat the theory of evolution as a scientific fact. They don't question it at all. In fact, they warn that trying to deny it while promoting faith is a massive mistake.

If you look at the Bible stories regarding creation through a broad, metaphorical lens, nothing is actually in conflict with evolutionary theory.


The theory of evolution doesn't require validation from the Bible (it has been corroborated by countless scientific disciplines), but the Bible requires validation from the theory of evolution. That isn't necessarily a dealbreaker, though; believers will always *find evidence* to prove their holy book is correct.
Timothy Nelson5 said:I suppose you mean the evidence that drove Nikola Kuzanski, a cardinal in the Catholic Church, then Copernicus, a priest, and then Kepler, who was also a priest, to map out planetary motion...

A fascinating read on "Institutionalized Ideological Corruption in Academia" would be something regarding how those French quasi-Enlightenment types—basically propaganda agents for the revolution—spread lies and misinformation about the Ancien regime and specifically the Catholic Church, work which eventually paved the way for cultural Marxism...

The evidence is right there in the roughly twenty IPCC reports from the last 35 years. Each one involved hundreds of climatologists—people who have basically dedicated their entire lives to studying climate—and these reports are built on thousands of scientific papers. Every single one includes a "non-technical summary" meant to be accessible to an educated layperson.

The only issue, I guess, is that this still hasn't been confirmed as scientific theory; it's more like a massive collection of unverified quasi-scientific hypotheses—the latest being that 'Hockey' stick,'
ps
We're talking about the impact of anthropogenic CO2 as the primary driver of climate change...

But no, that’s too complicated. We just want a simple answer, something like, "Well, it says so in the Bible."

Yeah, I suspect the other side would love nothing more than having interlocutors like that, just so they can mock them.
It’s inconvenient when people actually know things and start asking uncomfortable questions or presenting an uncomfortable truth.

Anyway, you're drifting off-topic here.

Are posts only allowed if they involve spitting on the FBI, because any work that isn't 'kosher' with the globalist progressive cabal is forbidden?

Work like this should never have been accepted in an engineering program. It just shows how truly broken the criteria have become. I could probably, with a little effort, write a paper on a "pandemic apocalypse in 20th century Sci-Fi," but that would be a literary theory paper, not a medical one.

Would there be nearly as much of an uproar if someone wrote an engineering thesis on a 'feminist' topic—like, "a woman in the history of engineering"?

Have you ever heard the term "prior knowledge"? It implies that the person you are explaining something to must already possess a certain baseline of understanding in that field. Naturally, the more complex the subject matter, the greater that prerequisite knowledge needs to be.

In short, you don't try to explain square roots to a child who hasn't even mastered multiplication yet. This is why education is structured sequentially; biology is taught in middle school and then again in high school, where the curriculum builds directly upon the foundations laid during those earlier years.

However, YouTube experts don't need schools; they've essentially earned their PhDs by watching a handful of video clips.
Lawrence Rodriguez11 Lawrence Rodriguez11 Member
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#66 ·
lonetrucker4 said:Look, Ivo Josipović is a professor at the Law School.

And as for prof.dr.sc. Ivo Goldstein—trust me, he’s not out there teaching students to follow him like sheep.

What about that Raspudić couple, also professors over at the Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences? You think they’re demanding total blind obedience from their students too? 🤔

Now, I never actually attended UC Berkeley myself, so I can't speak from firsthand experience. However, based on my conversations with people who have studied there—or are currently studying there—as well as listening to various public figures who came out of those halls, I’ve come to the conclusion that there is a pretty strong sense of groupthink prevailing there.
lonetrucker4 lonetrucker4 Active Member
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#67 ·
Timothy Nelson5 said:In other words, I guess no actual scientist should really be ruling out the possibility that some "higher" entity designed the entire universe—one that we tiny little humans might assign divine attributes to, just because it makes sense practically?🤔

Setting aside the debate over how many Catholics are actually out there, the Catholic Church has been acknowledging the theory of evolution since somewhere around the middle of the last century.

It was an article in a theological journal, written by people with master's and doctoral degrees in theology. Right in the opening sentence, they treat the theory of evolution as a scientific fact. They don't question it at all. In fact, they warn that trying to deny it while promoting faith is a massive mistake.

If you look at the Bible stories regarding creation through a broad, metaphorical lens, nothing is actually in conflict with evolutionary theory.

You meant "deny," not "talk." Yeah, I guess that's possible, IMO; but followers of Earth-based religions can't just twist things to suit their own narrative. Honestly, I’m done talking about this—it's more like a topic for a philosophy major at UC Berkeley or some theology seminar, and those are exactly the kinds of rabbit holes I try to avoid.

If you take those stories in the Bible about how the world and humans came to be and look at them through a broad, metaphorical lens, they don't actually clash with evolution at all.

I'm with you. At the end of the day, the whole "creation in six days" thing works if you look at it like a vague intuition about how the universe evolved from simple chaos into complex structures.

I'm done talking about CO2 and global warming here. Period.
lonetrucker4 lonetrucker4 Active Member
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#68 ·
Lawrence Rodriguez11 said:Now, I never actually attended UC Berkeley myself, so I can't speak from firsthand experience. However, based on my conversations with people who have studied there—or are currently studying there—as well as listening to various public figures who came out of those halls, I’ve come to the conclusion that there is a pretty strong sense of groupthink prevailing there.

Man, you’re definitely looking at this through a tiny keyhole. UC Berkeley is massive—honestly, it could basically be its own university at this point. They’ve got professors by the hundreds, easily over 500.
wearyharbor41 wearyharbor41 Member
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#69 ·
Sam Diaz2 said:The state isn't banning anything. Seriously, I'm telling you this as a believer. In this country, you have the freedom to hold whatever views or beliefs you want. If anything, the government is the one allowing people to target and insult believers of a specific faith—Catholics. Everything else is just a hard NO and straight-up hate speech.

As for those core values being drilled into you? That’s on your family, not the government.

How can we claim the state does not prohibit religion? (And I am not referring to fringe sects, but rather the dominant faith based upon the Bible)
According to the Bible, God takes precedence over all, serving as the ultimate teacher because He alone is omniscient. Even if both individuals and the state were perfectly well-intentioned, they ought to have no business interfering in my personal development—much less confining me for eight years in what is colloquially known as "elementary school," where my mind is subjected to unnecessary indoctrination alongside people with whom I have no desire to associate. That is merely one illustration of the issue.

To a superficial believer, the impact on others or the world is either trivial or irrelevant; thus, even if current conditions are unacceptable, they occupy a lower tier of concern regarding the destruction of an individual's potential.

As for my own rights to my beliefs or positions, I possess practical evidence that contradicts your assertions. This subject is quite profound and expansive, and as such, it would likely remain confined to the realm of mandatory primary education (you may find my arguments within the topic in my signature, as well as in other threads on this forum).

Ultimately, everything comes down to the state and its responsibilities; if abuses occur within a household, it is the state that is at fault for permitting them.

I note that you are Catholic, which places you in the category of the misguidedly faithful; should you possess any arguments or perspectives to refute this, I kindly ask that you join the discussion in the religion sub-forum, where I write extensively regarding Catholic doctrines and their connection to the Bible.

EDIT: It appears my signature is not visible, though I haven't altered my profile settings; essentially, under philosophy, my main topic is "Sick Civilization = Child Slavery," where you can review my arguments concerning elementary education.
wearyharbor41 wearyharbor41 Member
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#70 ·
Rebecca Diaz said:They don't ban things openly; they do it subtly. I'm saying the exact same thing to you as a person of faith.
Kids are being taught they evolved from monkeys, that everything came from nothing, and how to use condoms.

Claiming that this kind of education in a country where the vast majority are Catholic isn't a "ban" just because it isn't written in a law book is incredibly naive.
It’s a calculated attempt to wipe out traditional values and promote degeneracy. 😠

It is prohibited both overtly and subtly; if you refer back to my previous response—and I say this only to avoid being repetitive—I am not even addressing the specific topics you've laid out here.
Sam Martinez9 Sam Martinez9 Regular
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#71 ·
wearyharbor41 said:How can we claim the state does not prohibit religion? (And I am not referring to fringe sects, but rather the dominant faith based upon the Bible)
According to the Bible, God takes precedence over all, serving as the ultimate teacher because He alone is omniscient. Even if both individuals and the state were perfectly well-intentioned, they ought to have no business interfering in my personal development—much less confining me for eight years in what is colloquially known as "elementary school," where my mind is subjected to unnecessary indoctrination alongside people with whom I have no desire to associate. That is merely one illustration of the issue.

To a superficial believer, the impact on others or the world is either trivial or irrelevant; thus, even if current conditions are unacceptable, they occupy a lower tier of concern regarding the destruction of an individual's potential.

As for my own rights to my beliefs or positions, I possess practical evidence that contradicts your assertions. This subject is quite profound and expansive, and as such, it would likely remain confined to the realm of mandatory primary education (you may find my arguments within the topic in my signature, as well as in other threads on this forum).

Ultimately, everything comes down to the state and its responsibilities; if abuses occur within a household, it is the state that is at fault for permitting them.

I note that you are Catholic, which places you in the category of the misguidedly faithful; should you possess any arguments or perspectives to refute this, I kindly ask that you join the discussion in the religion sub-forum, where I write extensively regarding Catholic doctrines and their connection to the Bible.

EDIT: It appears my signature is not visible, though I haven't altered my profile settings; essentially, under philosophy, my main topic is "Sick Civilization = Child Slavery," where you can review my arguments concerning elementary education.

How can we claim the state does not prohibit religion? (And I am not referring to fringe sects, but rather the dominant faith based upon the Bible)
According to the Bible, God takes precedence over all, serving as the ultimate teacher because He alone is omniscient. Even if both individuals and the state were perfectly well-intentioned, they ought to have no business interfering in my personal development—much less confining me for eight years in what is colloquially known as "elementary school," where my mind is subjected to unnecessary indoctrination alongside people with whom I have no desire to associate. That is merely one illustration of the issue.

To a superficial believer, the impact on others or the world is either trivial or irrelevant; thus, even if current conditions are unacceptable, they occupy a lower tier of concern regarding the destruction of an individual's potential.

As for my own rights to my beliefs or positions, I possess practical evidence that contradicts your assertions. This subject is quite profound and expansive, and as such, it would likely remain confined to the realm of mandatory primary education (you may find my arguments within the topic in my signature, as well as in other threads on this forum).

Ultimately, everything comes down to the state and its responsibilities; if abuses occur within a household, it is the state that is at fault for permitting them.

I note that you are Catholic, which places you in the category of the misguidedly faithful; should you possess any arguments or perspectives to refute this, I kindly ask that you join the discussion in the religion sub-forum, where I write extensively regarding Catholic doctrines and their connection to the Bible.

EDIT: It appears my signature is not visible, though I haven't altered my profile settings; essentially, under philosophy, my main topic is "Sick Civilization = Child Slavery," where you can review my arguments concerning elementary education.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.
Lawrence Rodriguez11 said:Now, I never actually attended UC Berkeley myself, so I can't speak from firsthand experience. However, based on my conversations with people who have studied there—or are currently studying there—as well as listening to various public figures who came out of those halls, I’ve come to the conclusion that there is a pretty strong sense of groupthink prevailing there.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
wearyharbor41 wearyharbor41 Member
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#72 ·
Sam Martinez9 said:How can we claim the state does not prohibit religion? (And I am not referring to fringe sects, but rather the dominant faith based upon the Bible)
According to the Bible, God takes precedence over all, serving as the ultimate teacher because He alone is omniscient. Even if both individuals and the state were perfectly well-intentioned, they ought to have no business interfering in my personal development—much less confining me for eight years in what is colloquially known as "elementary school," where my mind is subjected to unnecessary indoctrination alongside people with whom I have no desire to associate. That is merely one illustration of the issue.

To a superficial believer, the impact on others or the world is either trivial or irrelevant; thus, even if current conditions are unacceptable, they occupy a lower tier of concern regarding the destruction of an individual's potential.

As for my own rights to my beliefs or positions, I possess practical evidence that contradicts your assertions. This subject is quite profound and expansive, and as such, it would likely remain confined to the realm of mandatory primary education (you may find my arguments within the topic in my signature, as well as in other threads on this forum).

Ultimately, everything comes down to the state and its responsibilities; if abuses occur within a household, it is the state that is at fault for permitting them.

I note that you are Catholic, which places you in the category of the misguidedly faithful; should you possess any arguments or perspectives to refute this, I kindly ask that you join the discussion in the religion sub-forum, where I write extensively regarding Catholic doctrines and their connection to the Bible.

EDIT: It appears my signature is not visible, though I haven't altered my profile settings; essentially, under philosophy, my main topic is "Sick Civilization = Child Slavery," where you can review my arguments concerning elementary education.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

Sam Martinez9 said:How can we claim the state does not prohibit religion? (And I am not referring to fringe sects, but rather the dominant faith based upon the Bible)
According to the Bible, God takes precedence over all, serving as the ultimate teacher because He alone is omniscient. Even if both individuals and the state were perfectly well-intentioned, they ought to have no business interfering in my personal development—much less confining me for eight years in what is colloquially known as "elementary school," where my mind is subjected to unnecessary indoctrination alongside people with whom I have no desire to associate. That is merely one illustration of the issue.

To a superficial believer, the impact on others or the world is either trivial or irrelevant; thus, even if current conditions are unacceptable, they occupy a lower tier of concern regarding the destruction of an individual's potential.

As for my own rights to my beliefs or positions, I possess practical evidence that contradicts your assertions. This subject is quite profound and expansive, and as such, it would likely remain confined to the realm of mandatory primary education (you may find my arguments within the topic in my signature, as well as in other threads on this forum).

Ultimately, everything comes down to the state and its responsibilities; if abuses occur within a household, it is the state that is at fault for permitting them.

I note that you are Catholic, which places you in the category of the misguidedly faithful; should you possess any arguments or perspectives to refute this, I kindly ask that you join the discussion in the religion sub-forum, where I write extensively regarding Catholic doctrines and their connection to the Bible.

EDIT: It appears my signature is not visible, though I haven't altered my profile settings; essentially, under philosophy, my main topic is "Sick Civilization = Child Slavery," where you can review my arguments concerning elementary education.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

Sam Martinez9 said:How can we claim the state does not prohibit religion? (And I am not referring to fringe sects, but rather the dominant faith based upon the Bible)
According to the Bible, God takes precedence over all, serving as the ultimate teacher because He alone is omniscient. Even if both individuals and the state were perfectly well-intentioned, they ought to have no business interfering in my personal development—much less confining me for eight years in what is colloquially known as "elementary school," where my mind is subjected to unnecessary indoctrination alongside people with whom I have no desire to associate. That is merely one illustration of the issue.

To a superficial believer, the impact on others or the world is either trivial or irrelevant; thus, even if current conditions are unacceptable, they occupy a lower tier of concern regarding the destruction of an individual's potential.

As for my own rights to my beliefs or positions, I possess practical evidence that contradicts your assertions. This subject is quite profound and expansive, and as such, it would likely remain confined to the realm of mandatory primary education (you may find my arguments within the topic in my signature, as well as in other threads on this forum).

Ultimately, everything comes down to the state and its responsibilities; if abuses occur within a household, it is the state that is at fault for permitting them.

I note that you are Catholic, which places you in the category of the misguidedly faithful; should you possess any arguments or perspectives to refute this, I kindly ask that you join the discussion in the religion sub-forum, where I write extensively regarding Catholic doctrines and their connection to the Bible.

EDIT: It appears my signature is not visible, though I haven't altered my profile settings; essentially, under philosophy, my main topic is "Sick Civilization = Child Slavery," where you can review my arguments concerning elementary education.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
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wearyharbor41 said:As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Of course. That’s been the playbook since the dawn of organized government—roughly five thousand years of history right there.

wearyharbor41 said:As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
In today's society, nobody is actually stopping you from living your own way. Buy a Bible, read the Bible, or pick up any other religious text; live how you want, dress how you want... just don't try to force everyone else to follow your lead.

wearyharbor41 said:As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
If you fail to grasp the fundamental role schools play in human civilization, or their specific function in a modern society, then I fear you lack a basic understanding of what a human society actually is, how it operates, or why it must function this way.
wearyharbor41 said:As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Permissibility is usually just a reflection of what serves the state and its current political agenda.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.
One could argue that "original Christianity"—though that term itself feels like a hollow label with little connection to the early church—can be verified through the Bible, specifically within the New Testament and the apostolic writings. This isn't merely about rote memorization or intellectualizing doctrine, but rather about a way of life. Unfortunately, the state makes such a lifestyle nearly impossible by mandating eight years of compulsory schooling that steers students away from it. If we look at the Jewish tradition, an adult—a mature member of the community—is recognized at age fourteen. This implies that during the formative years leading up to that point, the individual was under constant guidance and supervision, essentially being conditioned by the system until they reached maturity. How else is one expected to be resilient against external pressures later in life? It is the most glaring example of the issue.

It is somewhat akin to claiming that every sport is legal, yet forbidding anyone from actually practicing it; how then is a naturally gifted athlete supposed to meet the challenges of that sport later on?

The secularism we see today feels like a state of utter chaos. I certainly understand the pragmatic motivations behind it, but when we examine the actual facts and the core of the matter, the reality is that the world is being pushed toward a singular, secular existence. It becomes impossible to uphold God's laws and instructions—not to mention the profound societal benefits that might arise from them, such as breakthroughs in science and social healing—within an environment that is forced upon us without any valid necessity, given that there is no ongoing war or greater force requiring such restrictions.

As long as religious institutions are permitted to exist, and as long as they haven't banned religious education—whether it’s Islamic, Christian, Buddhist, and so on—there is simply no basis to claim the state is banning faith.
If someone truly wants to master Christianity, they have options: they can take religious studies classes, attend a seminary, or simply spend their entire life studying their faith privately if they choose.
Major retailers like Barnes & Noble are practically overflowing with religious texts.
Furthermore, since capital plays such a vital role in exercising individual and social freedoms, it’s worth noting that all religions, particularly Catholicism, receive significant funding from the federal budget.

So, my conclusion is that you are seeing shadows where there is actually light.

Personal experience, especially when it is as limited as this, is an incredibly deceptive metric. It almost always yields skewed results—specifically, the results the individual expects to see. In short, it functions merely as a tool to validate a pre-existing bias. Philosophy, and science in particular, moves in the opposite direction; its whole purpose is to dismantle established theories.

If one were capable of distinguishing organized religion from true faith, and assuming you have actually read the Bible, it would be difficult to reconcile modern "Catholicism" with the actual scriptures found in both the Old and New Testaments. This institutionalized version of Catholicism is so deeply intertwined with the state that they effectively function as a single, unified system.

My conclusion is that you possess a rather superficial understanding of the subject you are attempting to discuss.
Well, obviously religion is intertwined with the state. It couldn't have functioned any other way. In more decentralized, cellular societies, the connection between religion and the state weakens, and if humanity continues on its current trajectory of development, those ties will eventually vanish entirely.
wearyharbor41 wearyharbor41 Member
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#74 ·
Quincy:
I find myself once again contemplating the peculiar nature of our modern discourse, though perhaps I am merely overdue for a quiet evening with a glass of bourbon. It seems that even in these digital spaces, one cannot escape the subtle undercurrents of skepticism that permeate our interactions. One might almost suspect that we are all looking for a reason to doubt, yet we persist in seeking truth nonetheless. It is a rather exhausting cycle, isn't it? Regardless, I shall remain here, observing the ebb and flow of these opinions with my usual, albeit somewhat tired, detachment. As wearyharbor41 noted:
It has always been this way, naturally, dating back to the very dawn of civilization—roughly five thousand years, if one is being generous with the timeline.
One cannot truly speak of freedom—a concept that ought to include the basic principle of neither harming others nor oneself, nor directly undermining a nation's constitutional order—when every action is dictated by the whims of the state and the overarching agendas of global powers.

Quincy:
mravac8 As wearyharbor41 once remarked:
In today’s society, one finds that there is hardly anyone left willing to defend your right to simply live life on your own terms. Buy a Bible, spend your time reading the Bible or any other religious text you find meaningful, live your life however you see fit, and practice your faith as much as your heart desires—just please, refrain from imposing those choices upon everyone else.
It is truly remarkable how one can be so blatantly dishonest; I find myself wondering whether this is a deliberate choice on your part or if there is perhaps a more profound psychological complication at play. You seem to possess a peculiar habit of retreating into a block immediately after I offer a rebuttal on a separate thread. We have established that public school and the Bible represent two fundamentally opposing paths, yet you somehow attempt to justify following the compulsory eight-year state education system while simultaneously claiming to adhere to the instructions found in the Bible. You have never once clarified whether you have actually read the Bible, let alone demonstrated any meaningful understanding of its contents.

It isn't as if anyone is imposing anything on anyone else, save for the government and individuals such as yourselves who insist on championing compulsory primary education and similar mandates.
It is an absolute farce—a complete circus, really—to witness a civilization that seems quite intent on systematically dismantling the rights of children. I haven't even begun to account for the sheer absurdity found in the media or those other ubiquitous spaces that ought to be considered safe havens for minors.

Quincy:
I find myself wondering if there is any substance to the claims being made by wearyharbor41, though I suspect such inquiries may be somewhat optimistic given the current climate of the discussion. One can only observe these developments with a certain degree of detached curiosity, perhaps even a hint of quiet skepticism. kaže:
If one fails to grasp the fundamental role that schools play within our social fabric—and specifically their evolving purpose in a modern society—then I fear one lacks a true understanding of what a civilization actually is, how it operates, and the very reasons why it must function in such a manner.
😵 I find myself somewhat at a loss; do you happen to have any others? 🤦

Quincy:
I suppose I should offer a brief introduction, though I find myself wondering if such formalities truly serve a purpose in this digital space. It seems I have arrived, albeit somewhat reluctantly, to join the conversation. kaže:
It stands to reason that religion and the state would be inextricably linked; quite frankly, there was never any other way for them to coexist. In our increasingly cellularized society, the bond between faith and government continues to fray, and if the trajectory of human progress remains unchanged, I suspect they will eventually drift entirely apart.
Religion is an entirely separate matter altogether; I don't subscribe to any particular faith. It seems you are conflating several distinct concepts, judging the substance by its packaging rather than its actual content—an approach that is, quite frankly, precarious and one I prefer to avoid in any serious discussion.
By all means, feel free to ignore me if you wish to avoid wasting our mutual time. ☕

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