2021/2022 School Year

wildboar said:Signed.
Honestly, even I’d be totally down to get my kid vaccinated if we knew like 98% of folks over 70 were shot, and maybe about 80% of those in the 50 to 70 age bracket had at least one dose if they hadn't already caught it.

Also, just a heads up—the current number of infected teachers and school staff, you know, the working population actually responsible for teaching our kids, is sitting at 717 right now.
That's for the entire United States.

I mean, that's a pretty huge number when you think about it being just a single snapshot in time.

The Mississippi Delta strain seems way more contagious, too. It's hitting students harder than the earlier variants, so everything just kind of piled up.

-Stipe

Some people here seem to have it backwards, thinking they can dodge the shots for themselves and somehow save their kids from them too. It’s not an "either-or" situation. They aren't looking for a substitute; they're aiming for everyone.
Once more than half of the adults cave, they start coming after the kids. That's just how it works here.

If we hadn't hit that 50% mark for adult vaccinations, there wouldn't even be a conversation about vaccinating children right now.

The more adults get vaccinated, the more pressure they'll pile on the kids.

Now that we've reached 50% of adults, the talk about vaccinating children has officially started.

When adult numbers hit 60%, the focus on kids will intensify, and once they reach 70%, the pressure on parents will be even harder to ignore.

You need to realize that higher adult vaccination rates mean more pressure on children, not less. It isn't one instead of the other.

The goal is to vaccinate the entire population—both adults and children alike.

If you don't want your kids getting vaccinated, your only hope is that the adult rollout stops. That's the only way the focus won't shift toward the children.

But if you actually want them vaccinated, then there's no point waiting for the adults to finish first.

hiddendriver34 said:Repeating the same stupidity ten times doesn't make it any less stupid.

No, this isn't my personal wishlist; I'm just stating the official recommendation for the scientifically backed vaccination rollout. Phase one targets seniors, phase two covers adults, and only then comes the third stage—which many countries are just starting now after successfully clearing the first two—to vaccinate kids over 12. Almost no country has even reached the stage of vaccinating children under 12 yet.

So, the fact that you’re calling for kids to get vaccinated instead of you—when it's actually your turn—is honestly pretty pathetic. And parroting those same three catchphrases doesn't make them any more convincing or intelligent.

First off, I'm not calling for kids to be vaccinated; I'm telling you what's coming so you aren't caught off guard. I can see you're having a hard time accepting that.

Second, the sequence is the same here in the USA, and you look at it every single day.

There is no requirement that all adults must be done before kids; that's not how it works.

In short, I'm not talking nonsense; I'm just telling you how things stand. You're trying to convince yourself I'm talking nonsense out of fear, and then you send me a link to the exact schedule we're already watching. The first and second phases have been underway for months, and now the third phase is being rolled out.

One phase doesn't have to fully wrap up before the next begins. They overlap.

If it were me, I'd take the shot, but I wouldn't give it to my own kids. I respect people who follow the principles and do for their children what they are asking me to do. I don't agree with them, but I respect them. But those with double standards—people who would take a shot themselves but refuse to let their kids have it—those are hypocrites.

Don't try to force on others what you aren't willing to give your own children.

And this dodging shows exactly how much these people actually believe in science. They believe in everything until it involves children; then suddenly, they're "out." They won't do it, but they want everyone else to.

Well, I guess we'll wait through the uncomfortable autumn, winter, and spring, hoping they somehow find a way to protect the kids.

I’ve already made my point about this: recommendations for vaccinating kids aged 12 and up typically don't kick in until we've hit an 80% vaccination rate among adults (though, realistically, we're usually looking at north of 85%).

Once we actually reach that threshold, you can bet I'll be getting my kid vaccinated. But I refuse to let them be the stand-in for all the selfish adults out there who won't step up. Like I said before.

Honestly, I'm starting to wonder why I'm even repeating myself when it feels like some people are struggling with basic reading comprehension here.

lujka_x said:.....
With COVID, we see it hitting the elderly hard, yet so many of them are still turning down the vaccine.
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Unfortunately, it isn't just the seniors getting hit
Take what the director of the local intensive care unit mentioned:
"- We’re seeing young patients too. For instance, the youngest person in our respiratory unit is only 22. Even the youngest person currently on a ventilator is 47. These are all critical cases, and the situation isn't looking like it did at the start of the pandemic," he noted.

hiddendriver34 said:I’ve already made my point about this: recommendations for vaccinating kids aged 12 and up typically don't kick in until we've hit an 80% vaccination rate among adults (though, realistically, we're usually looking at north of 85%).

Once we actually reach that threshold, you can bet I'll be getting my kid vaccinated. But I refuse to let them be the stand-in for all the selfish adults out there who won't step up. Like I said before.

Honestly, I'm starting to wonder why I'm even repeating myself when it feels like some people are struggling with basic reading comprehension here.

Haven't you noticed it's already starting? There have been plenty of statements coming out over the last few weeks.
There will be more.

The phases overlap; one doesn't have to wrap up before the next kicks off. They follow a sequence, but they don't necessarily finish one by one.

The vaccine isn't going to work any differently on children just because of the adult vaccination percentage.
It’s already happening abroad—it starts in the USA and rolls our way; it hits us eventually. It's already in full swing overseas and now it's right at our doorstep.

Basically, this is going to happen during this school year, so feel free to stay confused and wonder why they aren't waiting for 80% of adults. It doesn't change anything regarding the vaccine's efficacy or safety, so I don't see why they would wait for that threshold.
Anyway, you'll see everything soon enough, so go ahead and keep arguing with them.

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'Vaccinate all kids aged 12 and up!' This recommendation from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is bound to spark quite a reaction.

The calls to get children vaccinated have been popping up since late September. There were some back in August, and I think the last one came from the President a few days ago.

The childhood vaccination campaign is still in its early stages, but based on what we've seen before, it’ll probably ramp up until it becomes as intense as the current push for adults.

Since there's definitely going to be major pushback from parents, we can probably expect some pressure tactics. I don't know exactly what they'll look like, but it could involve things like mandatory testing for kids two or three times a week, along with heavy media pressure.
Brace yourselves.

velvetmaker3 said:What are you even talking about?
Right now, we’ve got 717 teachers out with COVID.
The school has switched to remote learning for a couple of days just to let things settle down—and it isn't because a bunch of parents rushed to get their kids tested just to dodge the shots, it's because a huge chunk of our staff is sick.
And most of them haven't even bothered to get vaccinated, which is wild because unlike the kids, they actually have the option to get the jab.

Look, sorry, but you're rambling on about vaccinating kids when it's totally baseless, especially since there's a whole crowd of adults who should've stepped up but didn't.
The whole last year, with those half-baked restrictions, felt like it was aimed mostly at the kids.

Are you seriously assuming none of those 717 people are vaccinated? Like you think being vaccinated makes someone totally invincible to catching it?
We don't actually know how many of those 717 are vaxxed, probably because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want to push for the vaccination drive.

It was pretty telling what Berosev mentioned during Friday's press conference: "In the last 7 days, 177 people over 65 passed away, and 97 of them weren't vaccinated."
That means 80 of those people were actually vaccinated.
We're seeing similar patterns with the younger crowd under 65 too.

And honestly, you shouldn't be playing doctor and deciding who needs the shot and who doesn't.
The virus keeps mutating regardless of which age group it hits.
Maybe those numbers for the seniors are actually an argument against the current approach for some folks.

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hiddendriver34 said:I’ve already made my point about this: recommendations for vaccinating kids aged 12 and up typically don't kick in until we've hit an 80% vaccination rate among adults (though, realistically, we're usually looking at north of 85%).

Once we actually reach that threshold, you can bet I'll be getting my kid vaccinated. But I refuse to let them be the stand-in for all the selfish adults out there who won't step up. Like I said before.

Honestly, I'm starting to wonder why I'm even repeating myself when it feels like some people are struggling with basic reading comprehension here.

They usually wait to drop those recommendations until they've officially cleared them for a specific age group, but honestly, there’s plenty of vaccine supply to go around anyway.

2livenoge said:Good grief, what kind of infantile, nonsensical questions are these?
What exactly are you people looking for here—some sort of lizard conspiracy theory?
The answer is obvious: it’s the federal government and the state authorities with their endless mandates and intimidation tactics, fueled by nothing but media hysteria and those folks who insist on waving flags from their balconies at every turn.

If the federal government and the state can't even force doctors to get vaccinated, how on earth do they expect to force you to vaccinate your child?

David Palmer5 said:Unfortunately, it isn't just the seniors getting hit
Take what the director of the local intensive care unit mentioned:
"- We’re seeing young patients too. For instance, the youngest person in our respiratory unit is only 22. Even the youngest person currently on a ventilator is 47. These are all critical cases, and the situation isn't looking like it did at the start of the pandemic," he noted.

We have young people on my COVID ward as well, though they mostly fall into the category of having severe comorbidities—typically things like leukemia or being organ transplant recipients on immunosuppressants. Some are vaccinated, some aren't.
If we’re talking specifically about college students—just so I don't go completely off-topic—it would certainly be better if they got vaccinated. At the very least, it increases their chances of survival. Though, honestly, given how things are right now, they might be better off sticking to remote learning anyway. I’m sure their universities would be understanding about that.

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hiddendriver34 said:I’ve already made my point about this: recommendations for vaccinating kids aged 12 and up typically don't kick in until we've hit an 80% vaccination rate among adults (though, realistically, we're usually looking at north of 85%).

Once we actually reach that threshold, you can bet I'll be getting my kid vaccinated. But I refuse to let them be the stand-in for all the selfish adults out there who won't step up. Like I said before.

Honestly, I'm starting to wonder why I'm even repeating myself when it feels like some people are struggling with basic reading comprehension here.

Well, that is certainly a peculiar way of looking at things.

I had always operated under the assumption—though perhaps I'm mistaken here—that a parent acts in the best interest of their own child, rather than basing their decisions on what they deem "wrong" for that child based on others. But according to this logic, the choice to vaccinate one's offspring somehow hinges entirely on whether or not some unspecified irresponsible adults have done so.

I honestly can't wrap my head around how a child's well-being is tied to whether or not every single one of those irresponsible adults gets their shots. It’s just... I don't quite follow the reasoning where someone chooses to undergo a medical procedure instead of someone else, regardless of who that might be.

mellowskipper said:We have young people on my COVID ward as well, though they mostly fall into the category of having severe comorbidities—typically things like leukemia or being organ transplant recipients on immunosuppressants. Some are vaccinated, some aren't.
If we’re talking specifically about college students—just so I don't go completely off-topic—it would certainly be better if they got vaccinated. At the very least, it increases their chances of survival. Though, honestly, given how things are right now, they might be better off sticking to remote learning anyway. I’m sure their universities would be understanding about that.

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I’m not entirely convinced that universities are even offering a full hybrid model—you know, both in-person and online—where a student actually has the luxury of choosing which one to attend.

Kanye said:Look, I just don't want my kids taking the fall for a bunch of stubborn adults who refuse to get vaccinated and end up landing in the ICU because of it.

I'm not saying the vaccine is some shady concoction cooked up by lizard people or that it would actually hurt my kids, but why should they have to shoulder the risk for some irrational grown adults? It’s pretty simple—just like I wouldn't force them to run errands at the local CVS for the neighbors, I'm not going to force them to get shots on behalf of someone else.

The scientific community basically feels the same way, which is why you rarely see any official mandates for vaccinating children, even if the vaccine itself is approved for their age group.

Actually, the scientific community isn't even that unified. They’re more than happy to jump on anyone within their own circles who dares to disagree. Scientists love to pat each other on the back in the media, and you can see it with this whole pregnant women vaccination debate—half of them recommend it, while the others think it's unnecessary or even unwise. So, good luck navigating that mess when you aren't an expert.

Nicholas King said:Well, that is certainly a peculiar way of looking at things.

I had always operated under the assumption—though perhaps I'm mistaken here—that a parent acts in the best interest of their own child, rather than basing their decisions on what they deem "wrong" for that child based on others. But according to this logic, the choice to vaccinate one's offspring somehow hinges entirely on whether or not some unspecified irresponsible adults have done so.

I honestly can't wrap my head around how a child's well-being is tied to whether or not every single one of those irresponsible adults gets their shots. It’s just... I don't quite follow the reasoning where someone chooses to undergo a medical procedure instead of someone else, regardless of who that might be.

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Nicholas King said:Well, that is certainly a peculiar way of looking at things.

I had always operated under the assumption—though perhaps I'm mistaken here—that a parent acts in the best interest of their own child, rather than basing their decisions on what they deem "wrong" for that child based on others. But according to this logic, the choice to vaccinate one's offspring somehow hinges entirely on whether or not some unspecified irresponsible adults have done so.

I honestly can't wrap my head around how a child's well-being is tied to whether or not every single one of those irresponsible adults gets their shots. It’s just... I don't quite follow the reasoning where someone chooses to undergo a medical procedure instead of someone else, regardless of who that might be.

Let me break it down for you.

The whole point of vaccinating is to keep people out of the hospital, off ventilators, and away from death. That means you prioritize the folks most likely to end up in that situation first, then move to the next group. By the time you get to the kids—who have almost zero chance of ending up in the ICU from this—you're basically just trying to stop the virus from moving through the community so everyone else stays safe.

Look, I have nothing against vaccinating kids to help protect adults and finally put this pandemic behind us. But I draw the line at my children being used as shields for all those "jerks" who refuse to step up and take care of themselves. Once they finally get their shots, then we can talk about the kids.

And this isn't just some "opinion" of mine; it's the logical playbook that every successfully vaccinated country follows.

Kenneth Brown5 said:Are you seriously assuming none of those 717 people are vaccinated? Like you think being vaccinated makes someone totally invincible to catching it?
We don't actually know how many of those 717 are vaxxed, probably because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want to push for the vaccination drive.

It was pretty telling what Berosev mentioned during Friday's press conference: "In the last 7 days, 177 people over 65 passed away, and 97 of them weren't vaccinated."
That means 80 of those people were actually vaccinated.
We're seeing similar patterns with the younger crowd under 65 too.

And honestly, you shouldn't be playing doctor and deciding who needs the shot and who doesn't.
The virus keeps mutating regardless of which age group it hits.
Maybe those numbers for the seniors are actually an argument against the current approach for some folks.

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Pointing at facts is pointless here. For the folks who decided the vaccine is a magic bullet, hearing that 80 out of 177 deaths were vaccinated just goes in one ear and out the other. It doesn't stick.🕺

jadetinker85 said:Pointing at facts is pointless here. For the folks who decided the vaccine is a magic bullet, hearing that 80 out of 177 deaths were vaccinated just goes in one ear and out the other. It doesn't stick.🕺

I mean, what does your brain even tell you when you see stats like that? 🤔

Kenneth Brown5 said:Are you seriously assuming none of those 717 people are vaccinated? Like you think being vaccinated makes someone totally invincible to catching it?
We don't actually know how many of those 717 are vaxxed, probably because that data doesn't fit the narrative they want to push for the vaccination drive.

It was pretty telling what Berosev mentioned during Friday's press conference: "In the last 7 days, 177 people over 65 passed away, and 97 of them weren't vaccinated."
That means 80 of those people were actually vaccinated.
We're seeing similar patterns with the younger crowd under 65 too.

And honestly, you shouldn't be playing doctor and deciding who needs the shot and who doesn't.
The virus keeps mutating regardless of which age group it hits.
Maybe those numbers for the seniors are actually an argument against the current approach for some folks.

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Not maybe, I'd say definitely.

Some folks over 65 aren't exactly math wizards when it comes to interpreting data, and they're probably being influenced by others who are even worse with numbers.

-Steve

briskjackal5 said:I mean, what does your brain even tell you when you see stats like that? 🤔

Not maybe, I'd say definitely.

Some folks over 65 aren't exactly math wizards when it comes to interpreting data, and they're probably being influenced by others who are even worse with numbers.

-Steve

It tells me vaccine efficacy is highly questionable.

briskjackal5 said:I mean, what does your brain even tell you when you see stats like that? 🤔

Not maybe, I'd say definitely.

Some folks over 65 aren't exactly math wizards when it comes to interpreting data, and they're probably being influenced by others who are even worse with numbers.

-Steve

😁

Why ask when you already know the answer?

The logic being used here is basically this:

In Portugal, 90% of the population got vaccinated.

Meanwhile, 58% of the COVID deaths in Portugal were among vaccinated people.

Conclusion: You actually have a better shot at dying from COVID if you're vaccinated than if you aren't.