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Is Zionism just a cover for antisemitism?

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Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active MemberOP
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implosive said:I honestly wouldn't have even opened this thread if I hadn't come across Norman Finkelstein—a man whose entire family was wiped out in Nazi death camps, yet he stands as one of the fiercest advocates for Palestinian rights. They label him a "self-hating Jew" and basically kicked him out of academia following that heated debate with Alan Dershowitz on Democracy Now! where he called Dershowitz out for plagiarizing his work.


But here is the real crux of the issue: Finkelstein is exposing how the "antisemitism business" is weaponized by the Israeli government to create a convenient alibi for the displacement and killing of civilians in Palestine. This criminality has been recognized by the United Nations, yet the only reason Israel gets away with such barbaric behavior is because the USA allows it—an action that utterly compromises the very significance of the United Nations. It’s absurd! You aren't automatically an antisemite just because you oppose the policies of Israel. It reminds me far too much of the rhetoric we saw during our own war.

That is a bizarre explanation that makes zero sense, IMO.

If you oppose a country because you disagree with its policies, you aren't suddenly an enemy of its people—the state and the citizenry are two entirely different categories!

For instance, if you disagree with the policies of the USA, does that mean you hate all Americans? Of course not. If you *do* hate them because of their government, then there is something fundamentally broken in your logic. And if your logic *is* sound, then you're essentially just a racist in the broadest possible sense of the word.
Jacob Cooper5 Jacob Cooper5 Active Member
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Amanda Allen4 said:That is a bizarre explanation that makes zero sense, IMO.

If you oppose a country because you disagree with its policies, you aren't suddenly an enemy of its people—the state and the citizenry are two entirely different categories!

For instance, if you disagree with the policies of the USA, does that mean you hate all Americans? Of course not. If you *do* hate them because of their government, then there is something fundamentally broken in your logic. And if your logic *is* sound, then you're essentially just a racist in the broadest possible sense of the word.

Listen, I'm not against Jews, I'm against the politics of Israel. That is the entire point of my thread. Zionism is this political drive to settle territory with Jews at the expense of kicking families out of their homes. All I'm saying is, I couldn't care less who you are—you don't have the right to shove people out of their houses just to flex your own ego... even if you were once a victim of Hitler. By the way, the West basically invented Zionism...
Joseph Watson2 Joseph Watson2 Newcomer
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ke-down-uk-mps

There's this insane campaign going on in the UK targeting Bernie Sanders because he’s spent his whole life fighting discrimination. I guess the ones leading the charge are papers like the New York Post 🤣, which historically backed Hitler, Mussolini, and Oswald Mosley, along with right-wing Jews who support apartheid and terror. They’re doing everything they can to stop a party from taking power—one that actually wants to recognize Palestine immediately and stop selling weapons to Israel.

http://socialistreview.org.uk/445/fa...and-daily-mail

What a time to be alive.
Jacob Cooper5 Jacob Cooper5 Active Member
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Joseph Watson2 said:


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ke-down-uk-mps

There's this insane campaign going on in the UK targeting Bernie Sanders because he’s spent his whole life fighting discrimination. I guess the ones leading the charge are papers like the New York Post 🤣, which historically backed Hitler, Mussolini, and Oswald Mosley, along with right-wing Jews who support apartheid and terror. They’re doing everything they can to stop a party from taking power—one that actually wants to recognize Palestine immediately and stop selling weapons to Israel.

http://socialistreview.org.uk/445/fa...and-daily-mail

What a time to be alive.

Yeah, I heard about that situation. The guy spends his whole life fighting racism and antisemitism, and then somehow, by some freak accident of logic, he becomes an antisemite...
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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The French Parliament just decided that anti-Zionism is essentially synonymous with anti-Semitism, or at least a specific form of it.
The proposal passed with 154 votes in favor and 72 against.
Henry Garcia13 Henry Garcia13 Member
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#6 ·
rowdytiger13 said:The French Parliament just decided that anti-Zionism is essentially synonymous with anti-Semitism, or at least a specific form of it.
The proposal passed with 154 votes in favor and 72 against.

Some of the most orthodox Jewish believers out there are actually anti-Zionists. Grouping them in with antisemites? It’s pure nonsense...
coastalorca19 coastalorca19 Member
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#7 ·
The French love to talk about justice and integrity... Liberty, equality, fraternity...
It’s all a facade that needs to be shut down, or at the very least, labeled and judged as antisemitic. They even slap that label on anyone who happens to be a lesbian.
https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/zionism/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=U2td7tp2_HU
coastalorca19 coastalorca19 Member
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#8 ·
Henry Garcia13 said:Some of the most orthodox Jewish believers out there are actually anti-Zionists. Grouping them in with antisemites? It’s pure nonsense...

Right now, Haredi Jews make up about 12% of the population in Israel—it's like watching a newly manufactured batch of "antisemites." Back in 2011, there were roughly 1.3 million of them worldwide. When idiots start playing politics, you end up with this kind of parliament and these kinds of voting patterns.
Anthony Perez9 Anthony Perez9 Regular
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#9 ·
rowdytiger13 said:The French Parliament just decided that anti-Zionism is essentially synonymous with anti-Semitism, or at least a specific form of it.
The proposal passed with 154 votes in favor and 72 against.

👍

A bunch of anti-Semitic creeps, racists, and hate-mongers have crawled into their little holes pretending to be "anti-Zionists." There’s a particular subset of Islamists who seem obsessed with the idea of wiping Israel off the map.
I really hope people like that stay quiet and stop spreading their venom in public.
Usually, anti-Semitism is just the tip of the iceberg for the kind of twisted nonsense these people carry around in their heads. It’s a great way to spot the losers, the empty suits, or the lost intellectuals.
Plus, most conspiracy theory rambling is either fueled by or outright soaked in anti-Semitism anyway.

Of course, nobody points fingers at the anti-Zionists from the ultra-Orthodox Haredi Jew circles (those religious fanatics) or calls them anti-Semites.
It's the other crowd that's the problem...

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