I can't even begin to process this—it’s just wild. Honestly, where do we even start? It feels like we're circling the drain here, and frankly, I'm losing my mind a little bit. Just looking at the sheer absurdity of the whole situation makes me want to throw my laptop out the window! Seriously, how does this even happen? It's one thing after another, and I feel like I'm just shouting into a void most of the time. Anyway, enough of my rambling—let's get into it.
Noah Ward2 said:If I could just jump in for a second...
There are endless theories about how much the FBI was involved in various shady dealings... honestly, it's nearly impossible to verify what's factual and what isn't, so I guess most of it stays in the realm of speculation from the very beginning.
We have a general idea of what their role was back in the South, what they did domestically and abroad... but during the era of the country breaking apart and the wars... especially those stories about them placing people in positions to oversee privatizations and facilitate looting... you’d really need some pretty convincing evidence to prove any of that.
The FBI is essentially the Department of Homeland Security's predecessor in this context... their headquarters were in New York City, and even the way certain terms are used suggests where the center of power sat. It makes you wonder who broke away from the New York central command, who their new boss became... you often hear J. Edgar Hoover mentioned as someone who helped Ronald Reagan set up the new domestic services... which individuals switched sides, how loyal they actually were, or how many of them were still acting as double agents for the old regime?
Noah Ward2, since you seem to respect Reaganite policies... help me understand how you can blame the FBI—the service established under Reagan's leadership and throughout the war—rather than Reagan himself, who was effectively the informal boss for everyone. Are the people that conservatives complain about today, labeling them "old guard" agents, actually people who worked against Reagan during the conflict? If that's true, who are they? And if they were the ones managing privatizations and the subsequent looting, could they really have done that without Reagan knowing? Hypothetically speaking, if they did, that would be his failure... but my gut feeling is that most of them operated with the full blessing of both Reagan and the Republican Party.
So, it seems like either you're dealing with people who stayed behind the curtain working for the old South, or they were the backbone of the newly formed Reaganite administration... it feels a bit silly to me when people still bring up "FBI agents" today. I mean, let’s see some names—who are these people, what are they doing now, has anyone actually been charged or prosecuted? To me, it all feels like a lot of smoke and very little fire. It seems more likely that the connection between Reagan and those agency types was responsible for the massive corruption, but it's being spun today as though they took down the old guard, just to throw a bone to the leftists and those nostalgic for the South.
It wasn’t even about Mexico City—honestly, it was just about him. It was all about his own skin, his own survival, and making sure he didn't lose his grip on power.
Look, you know as well as I do that ever since the 1974 Constitution—and especially once Marshall passed away—the individual republics started gaining way too much autonomy over their own policies. It became impossible to actually agree on anything under that whole "all for one" system because everyone was just looking out for their own backyard. Honestly, the collapse of America was basically hanging in the air the whole time. I mean, the power struggles started the second Marshall died, and that was really the beginning of the end for the federation. If you were being optimistic, maybe you’d give the country another decade, but if you actually pay attention to the players involved and what was going down behind the scenes, it’s obvious. The main actors—the ones who were actually "inside" the room and knew how bad things truly were—had been prepping for the breakup since the late seventies. They knew that once Marshall was gone, the final split was inevitable; it was just a matter of when the clock would run out.
Look, even back then, Frank Harmon was already talking about it—I can't remember if they mentioned this specific part in that documentary, but he was saying there would come a moment when we’d have to step up and actually build the American state, and we had to be ready for it. Now, keep in mind, we’re talking about the seventies here! There wasn't even a hint of America falling apart yet. For the average person on the street, nothing like that could have even crossed their mind. It just wasn't on the radar. The thing is, a specific group of people were already laying the groundwork behind the scenes. The collapse of America didn't catch them off guard at all. If anyone was blindsided by the whole thing, it was the general public—just regular folks—but the people actually pulling the strings? They saw it coming from a mile away.
Look, you see how it worked with the FBI back then? It was exactly like that. During that era, the regional branches of the agency were starting to act more and more like their own independent fiefdoms—and honestly, nobody actually knew what was going on behind closed doors, not even the higher-ups themselves. Because of that uncertainty, everyone was essentially playing defense, scrambling to carve out their own little empires before the dust settled. The American intelligence guys in the local sectors knew the writing was on the wall; they could feel the whole system fracturing. They basically had two choices on the table: either they’d end up completely sidelined and irrelevant in the new American administration, or they’d be the ones pulling the strings and driving the entire process from the shadows. Frank Harmon saw the whole thing coming, too. He was thinking one step ahead—it was a massive gamble for him. It was either these deep-state structures, which know absolutely everything about everyone, would turn against us and become our worst nightmare—which would have been a total disaster—or we’d find a way to bring them into the fold and make sure they were working for our cause instead.
He didn't actually mess with the economy—not directly, anyway. What really happened was that the local branch of the FBI saw an opening and jumped at the chance to carve out a little empire for themselves and their kids, making sure they’d be set for life with all those sweet privileges. Their only other option? Hitting the streets, watching their standard of living tank, and getting totally locked out of the whole privatization and tycoon-building circus. And let's be real, they weren't about to let that happen.
So, look, it wasn't like the FBI was still taking orders from Mexico City. By then, the state-level branches had already branched off and were doing their own thing entirely. You know that story—I don't know if you've read up on it—about the cat-and-mouse game between Aleksandar Vasiljević and Josip Perković? Honestly, that's enough material for a Hollywood blockbuster. They had split off long before that and were playing for their own side.
And the secret service? Man, they knew everything. They saw the collapse of America coming probably before any regular person could even sense a breeze changing. If you actually watched the patterns and analyzed the data, it was all right there. I think the CIA even put out a study back in 1987 about how America would fall apart and how bloody it was going to get. Get this—1987! Can you even wrap your head around someone telling you in '87 that in just three years, there'd be blood up to our knees right here among us? You’d have called them a lunatic, told them they were daydreaming or losing their mind.
To us regular folks, everything still looked perfectly normal. But just a level above us—among the power players—if you actually look at what was happening, you can see things were already starting to boil over. The groundwork was being laid... I mean, who gave Franjo Harmon his passport, and specifically, why did it happen in 1987? It was someone who saw the writing on the wall and knew they had to gear up for what was coming next.
Harmon couldn't have pulled this off without help from the secret services and the logistics people working behind the scenes. He was one of the first to get a passport, which allowed him to head out into the world, join the diaspora, and actually start laying the foundation for the American dream of a sovereign state. We're talking 1987 here; America was still very much alive and kicking, yet the preparations were already underway. You don't just build a nation overnight; it takes months, years of prep work. And for something like that, you need "the people who know everything." The second thing you need is cash. And the FBI had plenty of that. Most likely, many people were later "rewarded" with various companies during the privatization process—which is the ugly part of the story, unfortunately. Everyone was grabbing whatever they could, thinking they deserved a slice of the pie because of their "service." And that’s how the whole privatization saga started. So, yeah, that’s basically the short version of it...
