What can replace Political Correctness, and is it actually possible?

lonebadger6 said:Well, that is precisely where the trouble starts... 🙂

It is incredibly easy to frame something in a way that convinces the masses that a lie is actually the truth, and that’s where the danger lies...

If you want to take it a step further, there's an ever-growing crowd of lunatics convinced the Earth is flat. There are endless YouTube videos and forum threads where proponents toss out "arguments" that anyone without a specialized education would swallow whole, which is unfortunately how most people operate. Between the vaccine hysteria, the flat Earth stuff, and the idea that the world is only a few thousand years old...

Now, I’m not saying we should literally ban someone from claiming the Earth is flat, but I am pointing out that the truth doesn't always surface... Look at the anti-vax movement—based on a single unscientific study that the author himself retracted decades ago, you now have entire movements of people convinced vaccines are killing their children, and we're already seeing the slow return of diseases we thought were practically wiped out...

I'm not suggesting we should outlaw people calling vaccines murder—even if spreading those lies isn't exactly harmless—but in that same vein, someone could just as easily convince thousands upon thousands of people that the Jew is filth that needs to be eradicated before they eradicate us...

It’s pretty terrifying what gets pushed nowadays, but what’s even scarier is how much of it there is and how many followers it actually pulls in.
It feels like a new kind of religion, really. Because monotheistic religions often rely on denying others and being contrarian, which is basically the first conspiracy theory right there.
Even the Christian apostles and Muhammad, when they were called out for lying or talking nonsense, immediately threatened hell or death, then gathered their believers and essentially shaped their faith around the idea: "The more they say we're lying, the truer and stronger our faith becomes."

And that’s how it goes with these creationists, the anti-vaxxers... they all do it just to be difficult because they think it’s all being forced on them by people like atheists, evil scientists, Soros types, outsiders... and of course, the PC crowd.

What I mean is, their attitude toward science is the exact same as their attitude toward political incorrectness; they are totally convinced that both are just trying to stifle their freedom of speech and expression.
It’s something like, "I won't let some scientists tell me if the Earth is round or if I should vaccinate my kid," and then they double down on their "arguments," which are always just conspiracy theories wrapped up in the guise of protecting their freedom of choice.

p.s
By the way, I see these pamphlets on local forums about primordial evil from the 19th century, the French bourgeois revolution, American independence... it's enough to make you wonder if people actually believe it.😠

lonebadger6 said:Yeah, except that first figure isn't even remotely accurate—the percentage might be high, but I can't recall the exact study right now, though it definitely wasn't 99%—so I countered with a study from America where the percentages were almost identical for people refusing to let their daughters marry a Mexican, a Muslim, or a Black man, and so on...

But given the context you're pointing out regarding how "liberals" react differently to each situation, you aren't wrong...

Collins — I agree looking at the global scale, but honestly, it makes sense that we worry about our own backyard first... Of course, as a citizen of the world, I'm not totally indifferent to what's happening in Saudi Arabia or North Korea, but I'm just significantly more concerned about the society I actually live in...

The problem is that our own "backyard" is becoming way too tied to everything happening globally—and now, the average American is the one getting stuck with the bill for all this foreign policy mess.

So you guys aren't fans of uncontrolled, mass immigration? Whatever—it’s got its reasons and it isn't just some random act of nature.
There are these supposed "intellectuals" out there throwing around big ideas... like instead of just shoving displaced people into refugee camps "next door," we should actually help them build productive little towns while they wait for the war in their home country to finally die down.
I’d add this—the money in arms manufacturing and trade is absolutely massive. Honestly, if people actually give a damn about being politically correct, they should be out there protesting that whole "devilish petrodollar-military-industrial complex" triangle.

lonebadger6 said:Well, that is precisely where the trouble starts... 🙂

It is incredibly easy to frame something in a way that convinces the masses that a lie is actually the truth, and that’s where the danger lies...

If you want to take it a step further, there's an ever-growing crowd of lunatics convinced the Earth is flat. There are endless YouTube videos and forum threads where proponents toss out "arguments" that anyone without a specialized education would swallow whole, which is unfortunately how most people operate. Between the vaccine hysteria, the flat Earth stuff, and the idea that the world is only a few thousand years old...

Now, I’m not saying we should literally ban someone from claiming the Earth is flat, but I am pointing out that the truth doesn't always surface... Look at the anti-vax movement—based on a single unscientific study that the author himself retracted decades ago, you now have entire movements of people convinced vaccines are killing their children, and we're already seeing the slow return of diseases we thought were practically wiped out...

I'm not suggesting we should outlaw people calling vaccines murder—even if spreading those lies isn't exactly harmless—but in that same vein, someone could just as easily convince thousands upon thousands of people that the Jew is filth that needs to be eradicated before they eradicate us...

Just read this killer article—I can dig up the link if anyone wants it—where these liberal authors basically lay it all out: a huge chunk of people's biases aren't even about how much school they finished... it’s actually driven by ideology and personal interests.
Plus, in today’s world of hyper-specialization—look at America, for example—so many people are basically clueless about anything outside their own tiny little bubble. It's honestly pathetic.
Let’s be real—hardly anyone actually uses evolutionary theory in their day-to-day work outside of their tiny little bubble. Between that, how vaccines actually function, and global warming... it's all just matters of faith, like Morgan Cook10 was saying.
Maybe they’re solid arguments—well-defended and all—but at the end of the day, it's still faith. (And look, I'm a believer myself, but I'm with the folks who think you can actually make it work alongside Darwin.)

lonebadger6 said:Sure, but you’re clearly the rational one here... Thousands of people will just swallow it whole without a second thought, living their entire lives convinced it’s nothing more than another massive Jew lie. That's the real issue...

Plus... a lot of this boils down to the total breakdown of trust between the elites and the everyday person. When society moves forward, regular people believe their kids will have it better than they did... and that trust extends right into the school curriculum.

Once that seed of doubt and insecurity gets planted... everything starts getting questioned. "The powers that be" turn into enemies... and people start hunting for anyone they think is a "servant to the plutocracy."

I'm telling you... fix the root cause... while there's still time.

lonebadger6 said:Doesn't exist? Man, you just shut out basically half the political spectrum there—nice job. Look, I get that it’s impossible for absolutely nobody to feel left behind, but avoiding this constant political polarization is actually doable if people would just listen—I already laid out how to do it.

I’m a believer—but don't go labeling me as right-wing or left-wing—I'm just staying out of that whole mess entirely...
So, am I shamelessly hiding behind "free speech" now? Look, I hate getting into fights—really, I do—but I’m sick of being backed into a corner on this forum and told I should be embarrassed just for having an opinion.

Look, bottom line—I’m never posting anything here that I wouldn't have the guts to say straight to someone's face.

Look, if you can actually pull together a decent life for yourself and your family through hard work—without relying on handouts—then local issues become things you tackle alongside your neighbors. In a country where politicians aren't just some parasitic pyramid scheme you have zero control over (and no, I’m not counting that ritual of tossing a ballot in a box every four years), they at least pretend to care about the jobs they were elected to do. It leads to way less frustration and way less blaming certain groups for your own miserable situation.

Am I making sense?

So how do you even make sense of this sudden explosion of violence in the US—like, fifty years after World War II? Especially in a society that never actually "let things go" when it comes to those leftover, radical counter-revolution vibes...

There isn't some massive explosion of violence happening; there’s just an explosion of media coverage where every single incident gets dragged out until people walk away with this false impression that things are more dangerous now than they ever were...

Hardly any country on earth today isn't dealing with levels of violence and homicide that are essentially the same as they were twenty or thirty years ago.

Terrorism is the outlier, though even that was rampant back in the seventies and eighties before things briefly quieted down...
There isn't some massive explosion of violence happening; there’s just an explosion of media coverage where every single incident gets dragged out until people walk away with this false impression that things are more dangerous now than they ever were...

Hardly any country on earth today isn't dealing with levels of violence and homicide that are essentially the same as they were twenty or thirty years ago.

Terrorism is the outlier, though even that was rampant back in the seventies and eighties before things briefly quieted down...
There isn't some massive explosion of violence happening; there’s just an explosion of media coverage where every single incident gets dragged out until people walk away with this false impression that things are more dangerous now than they ever were...

Hardly any country on earth today isn't dealing with levels of violence and homicide that are essentially the same as they were twenty or thirty years ago.

Terrorism is the outlier, though even that was rampant back in the seventies and eighties before things briefly quieted down...
There isn't some massive explosion of violence happening; there’s just an explosion of media coverage where every single incident gets dragged out until people walk away with this false impression that things are more dangerous now than they ever were...

Hardly any country on earth today isn't dealing with levels of violence and homicide that are essentially the same as they were twenty or thirty years ago.

Terrorism is the outlier, though even that was rampant back in the seventies and eighties before things briefly quieted down...
There isn't some massive explosion of violence happening; there’s just an explosion of media coverage where every single incident gets dragged out until people walk away with this false impression that things are more dangerous now than they ever were...

Hardly any country on earth today isn't dealing with levels of violence and homicide that are essentially the same as they were twenty or thirty years ago.

Terrorism is the outlier, though even that was rampant back in the seventies and eighties before things briefly quieted down...
There isn't some massive explosion of violence happening; there’s just an explosion of media coverage where every single incident gets dragged out until people walk away with this false impression that things are more dangerous now than they ever were...

Hardly any country on earth today isn't dealing with levels of violence and homicide that are essentially the same as they were twenty or thirty years ago.

Terrorism is the outlier, though even that was rampant back in the seventies and eighties before things briefly quieted down...
I was talking about the American Wars...

It’s not just about the raw numbers or how many murders are happening—it’s about that gut feeling we all have, you know? Like, from the perspective of an average person on the street, does it actually feel like things are getting better or are we just sliding backward?

Lisa Jackson7 said:Nah, it was just a different flavor of "political correctness"—one where the Nazis were the ones deciding what was acceptable and what wasn't.

It’s simple—whoever holds the power decides what's "correct."
The weird thing about the current trend is how much it relies on media control... they grab power and shape public opinion bit by bit, hiding their influence within institutions instead of making it obvious.

Maybe those college campuses and "safe zones" in the USA get talked about because things feel more open there.

When "practicing democracy" in a society boils down to nothing more than keyboard warrior hyperventilating—all talk with zero actual action or accountability—that’s basically fertile ground for PC culture.

So, if you ask me, the answer to the original question would be... questioning the state of Western democracy and liberalism right now, and actually looking at the root causes instead of just hunting for more "enemies."

Developing direct democracy—I don't mean some global decree, but more grassroots initiatives at the local level—helps stop the constant seesaw between the elites and populists.

There's plenty of talk lately about sociocracy, collective intelligence, and "digital democracy." Some of it is actually being put to use, at least locally.

I guess I'd call that "political incorrectness" instead, since the goal was the exact opposite of today's PC culture, but whatever...

Even The Simpsons, which is basically the peak of liberal satire, has started taking shots at American universities and all that political incorrectness nonsense they try to avoid.

Richard Wilson4 said:Even The Simpsons, which is basically the peak of liberal satire, has started taking shots at American universities and all that political incorrectness nonsense they try to avoid.

It’s honestly not even funny anymore.

As a response to all this gender identity madness, people are now apparently joking about identifying as attack helicopters:





There's even a new label for transgender restrooms:

https://www.google.com/search?q=all+g...4fR_72d4SJHxM:

I honestly feel like gender dysphoria is a disorder, and these folks really need help to become what they think they should be. But look, we can't just treat them as "normal" because they were essentially born with a gender identity disorder.

In my opinion, gay advocacy groups, feminists, and all those liberal circles are to blame for letting trans people get lumped into the same category as them. Now, those gay activists and feminists are reaping the consequences of their own stupidity. After fighting so hard for rights over the years, the public is looking at them again like they’re all abnormal, because now it looks like being gay is also just some disorder or a whim of psychotic individuals.

I was reading the news today about how Joe Biden claims that if you force yourself on a woman who’s drunk, that counts as rape.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm basically a serial rapist.

The worst part is that I can just sit here and joke about it with this guy who clearly doesn't know the first thing about sex or alcohol... but sooner or later, someone's going to end up behind bars just because some woman decides to feel guilty after a wild night out.

Morgan Cook10 said:I was reading the news today about how Joe Biden claims that if you force yourself on a woman who’s drunk, that counts as rape.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm basically a serial rapist.

The worst part is that I can just sit here and joke about it with this guy who clearly doesn't know the first thing about sex or alcohol... but sooner or later, someone's going to end up behind bars just because some woman decides to feel guilty after a wild night out.

Guilty as charged over here too.
My younger years were spent pretty much just partying and hooking up. Honestly, I never even bothered hanging out with girls who didn't drink—partly because it seemed cooler, but mostly because it makes the whole process of getting to sex way easier and less stressful for everyone involved.

It's a tricky one, though. There really is a legitimate problem with assault at parties and stuff, but there's also this issue with angry women who go ballistic because they got ghosted by a guy instead of getting that 5% extra attention they expected.

silentviper19 said:Guilty as charged over here too.
My younger years were spent pretty much just partying and hooking up. Honestly, I never even bothered hanging out with girls who didn't drink—partly because it seemed cooler, but mostly because it makes the whole process of getting to sex way easier and less stressful for everyone involved.

It's a tricky one, though. There really is a legitimate problem with assault at parties and stuff, but there's also this issue with angry women who go ballistic because they got ghosted by a guy instead of getting that 5% extra attention they expected.

Well, welcome to a politically correct society.
And it doesn't stop there; if you happen to slip off a condom mid-act... yeah, according to the new rules, that’s rape too.

Morgan Cook10
guilty as charged.

silentviper19 said:Guilty as charged over here too.
My younger years were spent pretty much just partying and hooking up. Honestly, I never even bothered hanging out with girls who didn't drink—partly because it seemed cooler, but mostly because it makes the whole process of getting to sex way easier and less stressful for everyone involved.

It's a tricky one, though. There really is a legitimate problem with assault at parties and stuff, but there's also this issue with angry women who go ballistic because they got ghosted by a guy instead of getting that 5% extra attention they expected.

If you force yourself on a woman—whether she's drunk or sober—and she doesn't want to sleep with you... that has always been rape.

But this current era is something else entirely...

Under this modern, politically incorrect lens they're pushing, if a woman gives in just once, you've basically committed assault. And under these latest trends they're trying to shove down our throats, the burden of proof is on you to prove you didn't do it, rather than on her to prove that you did.

Janet Albrechtsen on political correctness