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First Syrian refugees in Germany working for just $1 an hour

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Participants Jessica Torres63dustyheron5wiredrider9Charles Ramos7Justin Campbell6Hannah Allen5Nathan Morris3Scott Rodriguez19George Lewis9rowdypilot19dustymarlin10cosmicgull41hiddenviper13William Hayes12nimblelynx7nimbleharbor10Alexander ThompsonDonna Harris11rapidseal8
Charles Ramos7 Charles Ramos7 Regular
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#21 ·
Nathan Morris3 said:Regarding your first point, unemployment in Germany actually dropped by 0.1%, down to 6.6% (about 2.91 million). That might sound like a massive number, but I think it's just a cumulative figure that covers everything. The bottom line, I guess, is that anyone who actually wants a job in Germany can find one. I'll stick to talking about low-paying jobs since I'm pretty sure those can be turned on or off whenever needed. I don't know the exact breakdown of that 6.6% off the top of my head, but it probably includes people who just don't want to work or can't.
Like I mentioned before, maybe those 1-euro jobs aren't really an option, but more of a requirement for people on long-term assistance. It’s less about choice and more about preventing system abuse, since there are plenty of folks who just don't want to work. The logic seems to be that if you're on social aid and refuse to work, your benefits get cut by 30%. It's meant to give people a way to earn their keep. So, I guess don't let the 1-euro thing confuse you—it's more of a nudge than actual compensation, which is probably why minimum wage doesn't apply. As for your other comment, I think the answer lies in the fact that Germany has been open to workers from across the European Union for years now. And what happened? Not much, I guess. Even with all that openness, Germany still struggles to find enough young workers.

The real question is what happens when the first economic tremor hits—you know, during a crisis or layoffs, and things get even more tense... but I suppose that's more of an integration issue.
Since we're on the topic of the economy, I won't get into all the ethical reasons for helping refugees fleeing German conflicts, or the general idea of helping traumatized refugees by giving them work. But even setting ethics aside, I guess Germany would face a much bigger mess if a million refugees were just wandering the streets without jobs (dealing with crime, ghettos, stigma, and frustration...).

If that's the case, this whole thread is pointless. The OP seems unnecessarily worried about nothing.☕
Charles Ramos7 Charles Ramos7 Regular
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#22 ·
It looks like Japan is pulling more interest from people here than Germany is. 😁
Nathan Morris3 Nathan Morris3 Regular
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#23 ·
Charles Ramos7 said:If that's the case, this whole thread is pointless. The OP seems unnecessarily worried about nothing.☕

I'm not really sure why the OP even started this discussion. Usually, this kind of stuff comes from those far-right websites claiming "immigrants are stealing our jobs," which seems like a red flag. It looks like they just linked to a six-month-old article outlining Marine Le Pen's talking points without adding any actual expert analysis or logic. So, maybe we shouldn't take the OP's fears too seriously. If those are the same worries Marine Le Pen has, they might matter in politics, but I don't think they make much sense economically.

Regarding your comment, I'm not sure if you meant to pull my words out of context (hopefully it was an accident!), but here is the part you missed:
"I'll just limit my point to low-wage jobs."
Charles Ramos7 Charles Ramos7 Regular
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#24 ·
Nathan Morris3 said:I'm not really sure why the OP even started this discussion. Usually, this kind of stuff comes from those far-right websites claiming "immigrants are stealing our jobs," which seems like a red flag. It looks like they just linked to a six-month-old article outlining Marine Le Pen's talking points without adding any actual expert analysis or logic. So, maybe we shouldn't take the OP's fears too seriously. If those are the same worries Marine Le Pen has, they might matter in politics, but I don't think they make much sense economically.

Regarding your comment, I'm not sure if you meant to pull my words out of context (hopefully it was an accident!), but here is the part you missed:
"I'll just limit my point to low-wage jobs."

That wasn't my intention at all. I don't think an $18 an hour wage is bad, especially since it's significantly better than what people are "afraid" of making.
rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#25 ·
It really just depends on how you look at it, I guess... on one hand, you’ve got this massive gap where the European Union is missing something like 6 or 7 million workers, but then, if you flip the perspective, there are suddenly 10 million people who are basically surplus. 🍿
Nathan Morris3 Nathan Morris3 Regular
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#26 ·
rowdypilot19 said:It really just depends on how you look at it, I guess... on one hand, you’ve got this massive gap where the European Union is missing something like 6 or 7 million workers, but then, if you flip the perspective, there are suddenly 10 million people who are basically surplus. 🍿

A surplus of 10 million... out of how many people? Maybe 505 million? I guess it's hard to say how many of those 10 million actually want to work, but obviously, a big part of it comes down to supply and demand just not lining up.
I mean, overall, interest rates are at 0%, exports are beating imports, and there's labor available... so, maybe creating low-paying jobs is more about political will than the market, since from the government's view, it's basically free labor.
rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#27 ·
I mean, I just crunched the numbers myself, and honestly? The ratio seems fine, though the raw figures look a bit higher than expected... I guess what I'm trying to get at is that we really need to be looking at this from both sides of the coin.

And look, those people who just don't want to put in the work? They're just as much of a drain. 😁
Nathan Morris3 Nathan Morris3 Regular
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#28 ·
rowdypilot19 said:I mean, I just crunched the numbers myself, and honestly? The ratio seems fine, though the raw figures look a bit higher than expected... I guess what I'm trying to get at is that we really need to be looking at this from both sides of the coin.

And look, those people who just don't want to put in the work? They're just as much of a drain. 😁

Yeah, I think the figures are probably higher too, but my point is that Germany is in a spot where it’d actually be easy and even profitable to just bundle up their excess cash and mail it over to Sriji. Most of the money spent there will likely end up right back in Germany anyway, buying German goods or materials for reconstruction, so either way—they can't really lose. At least with how things are right now, I guess.
rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#29 ·
Hah, you know better than anyone how hard it would be to actually get over there and what it would cost... I mean, just think back to everything that went down during the war in the States.
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
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#30 ·
So much for that whole German altruism thing...

they aren't actually bringing refugees in because they're being selfless, it's all just about their own interests, isn't it?
Nathan Morris3 Nathan Morris3 Regular
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#31 ·
dustymarlin10 said:So much for that whole German altruism thing...

they aren't actually bringing refugees in because they're being selfless, it's all just about their own interests, isn't it?

True, but I suppose you have to admit they’re at a high enough level of civilization for stuff like that to even work. Maybe all that talk about altruism is just needed to connect with people who don't really get the numbers, which is fine, I guess.
cosmicgull41 cosmicgull41 Newcomer
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#32 ·
Nathan Morris3 says:
So, apparently, the first Syrian refugees in Germany are starting to work for an unthinkable wage of just one euro an hour, and nobody is even trying to hide it.

I just can't buy this. That would be like $8 a day, or roughly $234 a month. There is no way... either they're making more than that, or there's simply no legal framework that allows it.

I'll take everything bad about the old guard, but I'm calling bullshit on this one.
hiddenviper13 hiddenviper13 Member
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#33 ·
The OP is totally misrepresenting the facts here😁
William Hayes12 William Hayes12 Newcomer
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#34 ·
cosmicgull41 said:
Nathan Morris3 says:
So, apparently, the first Syrian refugees in Germany are starting to work for an unthinkable wage of just one euro an hour, and nobody is even trying to hide it.

I just can't buy this. That would be like $8 a day, or roughly $234 a month. There is no way... either they're making more than that, or there's simply no legal framework that allows it.

I'll take everything bad about the old guard, but I'm calling bullshit on this one.

A buddy of mine does catering work in Germany, specifically working with refugees.
They pay them basically $1 an hour just to clean toilets at the camp where he works. They have a set number of hours they're allowed to work per month—I think they cap out at maybe $200 a month if they actually put in the time.
Keep in mind, every refugee gets a $150 stipend from the German government regardless of whether they work or not.😁
On top of that, they get free housing in these big halls/warehouses and all their meals—breakfast, lunch, and dinner—are covered.
rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#35 ·
I mean, at the end of the day, they’ve got food and a place to sleep. ☕
nimblelynx7 nimblelynx7 Regular
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#36 ·
dustyheron5 said:The global elites are following their playbook to the letter—while the working poor are left with nowhere to turn. If you don't want to play by their rules, you can always opt for unemployment. It's your choice...

It’s becoming obvious that bringing migrants and refugees into Germany isn't about what the German people actually need—it's about serving the interests of the ultra-wealthy and massive corporations. (Not exactly a secret, though the mainstream media does its best to bury it)

In the States, we have all these grand humanitarian initiatives—but you can't escape the hypocrites and idiots who refuse to see past their own noses.

Good luck with that. I'm sure the refugees will just say, "Thanks, but no thanks." 🙂

I don't even know what we'd do with them. We've already got plenty of our own unemployed citizens, so there's zero need for imports.
nimbleharbor10 nimbleharbor10 Active Member
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#37 ·
nimblelynx7 said:Good luck with that. I'm sure the refugees will just say, "Thanks, but no thanks." 🙂

I don't even know what we'd do with them. We've already got plenty of our own unemployed citizens, so there's zero need for imports.

What strikes me as truly absurd is the idea that we would allocate significantly more resources to refugees than to our own unemployed citizens. It simply isn't right.
Alexander Thompson Alexander Thompson Active Member
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#38 ·
nimblelynx7 said:Good luck with that. I'm sure the refugees will just say, "Thanks, but no thanks." 🙂

I don't even know what we'd do with them. We've already got plenty of our own unemployed citizens, so there's zero need for imports.

I mean, obviously... Why would we pay them the same amount to clean their own toilets and sweep their own dorm rooms?

Though, I suppose they won't even get a meal until those bathrooms are scrubbed spotless 🤷

And honestly, I have this feeling that Germany would probably figure out how to manage that kind of thing efficiently 😬
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
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#39 ·
dustymarlin10 said:So much for that whole German altruism thing...

they aren't actually bringing refugees in because they're being selfless, it's all just about their own interests, isn't it?

Germany's projected costs for migrants back in 2015 and 2016 hit about 16 billion euros.

Who actually benefits from this massive influx of non-European people—basically a total demographic overhaul?

Honestly, when you look at who’s running things in Malmö, Brussels, or Paris, it’s pretty obvious. 😉

The left wing is just importing their future voter base, even if it means letting cities turn into war zones.
rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#40 ·
If that’s actually the plan, then they’re being absolute idiots.

I mean, seriously, how many refugees do they have to bring in just to sway those undecided voters right before an election? It feels like the more people come in, the more everyone is going to push toward those far-right parties. Like, what does it take? 10 million people just in Germany? 🤔 ☕

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